Joachim Andersen

[TheTanguy]

I remember when people said signing Toby was just an attempt to get in someone cheap without paying for quality.

Very strange as Toby was very good at Southampton the season before we signed him. And also at Ajax before he signed for Atletico.

The real suprise was that we were able to sign a top class defender for peanuts (£11m).

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Very strange as Toby was very good at Southampton the season before we signed him. And also at Ajax before he signed for Atletico.

And yeah that’s precisely what several people were saying.

 

[Timberwolf]

Whenever I watched him last season he was impressive. Very very good long range passer and did some very good back to the wall defending at times. I didn't watch enough Fulham to get a really thorough impression of him, but they were actually really solid defensively for a long stretch in the middle of the season and kept a fair few clean sheets - just because Fulham got relegated doesn't mean he's some shit budget option.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Andersen is 25. A year younger than Skriniar. Its not like hes 22 or 23 with a ways to go. He’s a mostly finished article by now.

This is nonsense. CBs often peak in their late 20s/early 30s.

 

[mil1lion]

Andersen is 25. A year younger than Skriniar. Its not like hes 22 or 23 with a ways to go. He’s a mostly finished article by now. He would probably be our 3rd CB if we really wanted to do anything. As our #1 choice? Yikes. If you dont intend on signing actual quality this summer, then Kane must be sold. No point in keeping him.

Like I said I don't know about him personally but I'm saying don't focus too much on cost. The only way we can afford players like Skriniar is if we sell Kane. Historically we haven't faired well with big money signings for as long as i can remember (Bent, Bentley, Sissoko, Sanchez, Ndombele). I would rather we keep Kane and find some exciting early to mid twenties players at a good price and develop them. If Andersen isn't good enough then find another, Tomiyasu does look good though. That's the type of signing we do best with.

 

[mil1lion]

PEH had one year left on his contract, so his price was irelevant. If he was fully contracted up he'd have cost much more. Players like PEH still cost a fair bit of money otherwise. We should prioritise talent over cost, and what do you mean no more Ndombeles? Just because one may or may not work out, you can still see that there is often a direct correlation with price and quality, GLC and Tanguy are clearly are most talented midfielders on the ball, it is why the richest clubs are often on top because they buy the most expensive players.

Taking punts on cheaper players will get us nowhere fast, unless we have a Leicester/Liverpool type recruitment record, and let's be honest, we are nowhere near.

How is his price irrelevant? We took advantage and got a good deal which is why Paratici was brought in to find more deals like that. People have unrealistic expectations if they think we can sign players like Skriniar or Kounde. Sorry but isn't happening and that's fine. We need to go back to what works best and discover prospects to develop. Leave the big spending to the likes of City, Chelsea etc. Yes I would love us to go and sign top players too but let's not kid ourselves. We build world class we don't buy world class.

 

[Spurrific]

This is nonsense. CBs often peak in their late 20s/early 30s.

Yet Sanchez, just turned 25, is irredeemably shit according to most on here.

 

[McFlash]

Is he great? Probably not.
Is he better than our current options? Yes.
Plus the fact that he's affordable and achievable makes this a no brainer to me.

We've got a pretty substantial rebuild on our hands so as @BringBack_leGin says, it's all about those incremental improvements, especially with the financial situation across the game as it is.
Plus, Nuno has a pretty good reputation for coaching and improving players and this lad is still young.

Clear out the deadwood and even if each incoming is only a little improvement, across the squad, that will multiply.

 

[Aphex]

Yet Sanchez, just turned 25, is irredeemably shit according to most on here.

Because CBs aren't guaranteed to peak, it's not an automatic right of passage. Sanchez is a poor defender and will never be a top one, I can almost guarantee that.

You don't sign young CBs for club record fees, play them for 6 seasons as they stink the place out, in the hope they may come good at 28 years old.

Sanchez has been a really poor buy, one of the worst we've ever made as a club. He's basically a reserve CB that we broke our club record for. We should cut our losses on him and Dier, they both take up non HG slots and both are calamitous.

There really shouldn't be a blank slate for many players in our squad, we've been here before at the end of Poch's reign, and with Jose. The same will happen under Nuno if we let it..

 

[Aphex]

Is he great? Probably not.
Is he better than our current options? Yes.
Plus the fact that he's affordable and achievable makes this a no brainer to me.

We've got a pretty substantial rebuild on our hands so as @BringBack_leGin says, it's all about those incremental improvements, especially with the financial situation across the game as it is.
Plus, Nuno has a pretty good reputation for coaching and improving players and this lad is still young.

Clear out the deadwood and even if each incoming is only a little improvement, across the squad, that will multiply.

Nothing wrong with that, but we should be signing Skriniar instead of two lesser players.

 

[mil1lion]

Why do people even think we could get Skriniar anyway? It's easy to say we should sign him but we're a conference league team now. He plays for the defending champions in the champions league. Why would he come here? Maybe under Jose we had the pull but not anymore. A player who was loaned to Fulham and a player who plays at Bologna are much more realistic for us.

 

[rawhide]

Because CBs aren't guaranteed to peak, it's not an automatic right of passage. Sanchez is a poor defender and will never be a top one, I can almost guarantee that.

You don't sign young CBs for club record fees, play them for 6 seasons as they stink the place out, in the hope they may come good at 28 years old.

Sanchez has been a really poor buy, one of the worst we've ever made as a club. He's basically a reserve CB that we broke our club record for. We should cut our losses on him and Dier, they both take up non HG slots and both are calamitous.

There really shouldn't be a blank slate for many players in our squad, we've been here before at the end of Poch's reign, and with Jose. The same will happen under Nuno if we let it..

So what you’re saying is…

Don’t spend big money on an International CB that’s not played in the Premier League, because they might be shit (like you say Sanchez is).

But also…

We need to spend big on players like Skriniar, who is an international CB that’s not played in the Premier League.

 

[Aphex]

So what you’re saying is…

Don’t spend big money on an International CB that’s not played in the Premier League, because they might be shit (like you say Sanchez is).

But also…

We need to spend big on players like Skriniar, who is an international CB that’s not played in the Premier League.

Not sure what your point is, are you comparing Sanchez to Skriniar? Skriniar is a proven top quality CB, Sanchez wasn't.

 

[Spurrific]

Because CBs aren't guaranteed to peak, it's not an automatic right of passage. Sanchez is a poor defender and will never be a top one, I can almost guarantee that.

You don't sign young CBs for club record fees, play them for 6 seasons as they stink the place out, in the hope they may come good at 28 years old.

Sanchez has been a really poor buy, one of the worst we've ever made as a club. He's basically a reserve CB that we broke our club record for. We should cut our losses on him and Dier, they both take up non HG slots and both are calamitous.

There really shouldn't be a blank slate for many players in our squad, we've been here before at the end of Poch's reign, and with Jose. The same will happen under Nuno if we let it..

Call me romantic, but I still think there's a good player in there. I don't think anybody in our defence has shone in years, even Toby, be that due to poor coaching or lack of confidence, I don't know. I don't think he'll meet his potential with us, but I do think he has all the physical attributes needed to succeed. I think he has a lot of upside, which hasn't exactly been evident lately granted. You can't almost guarantee anything about him. Different league, like Serie A or La Liga, and I reckon he pushes on, just like Foyth has.

 

[rawhide]

Not sure what your point is, are you comparing Sanchez to Skriniar? Skriniar is a proven top quality CB, Sanchez wasn't.

Skriniar was on his way out of Inter last year after falling out of favour with Conte due to a lack of consistency, which is why we were interested in buying him. 1 successful season doesn’t mean he’s proven top quality, and he’s still a gamble - like Sanchez.

I’m not saying I don’t like him, I’m saying you’re ignoring the large number of similarities because you rate Skriniar. You’re making it sound like he’s guaranteed to be a success, and Andersen is a guaranteed failure.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

Andersen IN addition to Tomiyasu and either Skriniar or Kounde is really the only justification. If it’s him + Tomiyasu then we are going to same route as always.

 

[TheHodFather]

Because CBs aren't guaranteed to peak, it's not an automatic right of passage. Sanchez is a poor defender and will never be a top one, I can almost guarantee that.

You don't sign young CBs for club record fees, play them for 6 seasons as they stink the place out, in the hope they may come good at 28 years old.

Sanchez has been a really poor buy, one of the worst we've ever made as a club. He's basically a reserve CB that we broke our club record for. We should cut our losses on him and Dier, they both take up non HG slots and both are calamitous.

There really shouldn't be a blank slate for many players in our squad, we've been here before at the end of Poch's reign, and with Jose. The same will happen under Nuno if we let it..

Yeah this whole "players peak in their late twenties" thing is pretty simplistic. Sure, every player follows a different development curve but it's incredibly rare for a player to go from an also-ran to a worldie overnight. Broadly speaking, most players' development is rapid in their early twenties, then tails off in their mid twenties before they hit a plateau from roughly their late twenties through to their early thirties. At that point they start a slow decline which then accelerates into a rapid decline by their mid thirties. Your classic "bell curve", basically.

Sanchez has gone from early twenties to mid twenties without making any real progress at all, which is exactly the period where most players are coming on in leaps and bounds.

 

[Pebble Dash]

Andersen IN addition to Tomiyasu and either Skriniar or Kounde is really the only justification. If it’s him + Tomiyasu then we are going to same route as always.

It’s not the ‘same’ route.

We were heavily linked with Andersen when he was at Sampdoria and reportedly stepped aside when he went to Lyon in exchange for completing the Ndombele deal.

He didn’t settle in Lyon and was loaned to Fulham where on the whole he had a very good season… so much so that we now reportedly want to sign him.

Making a move for Andersen is very similar to what happened with Alderweireld. He made a big move to A Madrid, flopped and was loaned out to Southampton where he excelled… on the back of these performances we stepped in and beat them to his signature.

Given our financial restraints bringing in Andersen plus the Japanese defender who looks decent would be a very good piece of business.

 

[spids]

Absolutely. Sign Andersen & Tomiyasu for 50m or sign Skriniar for around there. I know which one I choose. Unfortunately, we all know this club. We should just sell Kane & rebuild with more money if we dont intend on doing anything to improve this summer. That extra 50-75m on him could actually sign a great player. Sell Kane for 175m, sign 3 quality players, get 5th & have some promise. Or keep Kane, dont invest, get 7th again, sell him for 100m and be stuck again.

We’re currently 4 players and decent fitness / tactics away from a really solid top 4 season IMO. We have 7 or 8 players we can sell and not really miss (Aurier, Sanchez, Dier, Winks, Sissoko, Lamela, Dele, Moura) if we get top tier players at CB (x2), RB and CAM/WF.

 

[muel]

Does Anderson have more to his game than the long ball? Genuinely don't know much about him beyond that