its days like today

[Jaydog]

The American draft system sounds great in theory and it would certainly make things fairer and more competitive but another reason it wouldn't work is the relegation of the bottom three clubs to the lower leagues. It would be pointless for the team that finished 20th to have the most allowance to spend on players as they would be playing in the Championship. Would the highest allowance then go to the team that finished 17th? That wouldn't really make sense..

I think the solution for more parity is a maximum salary cap for the squad each year. This would stop clubs like city being able to stockpile players on ridiculous wages. If you want to make changes to your squad you will need to free up salary space by selling players. It will also mean players will really have to think about whether they want to go somewhere for the challenge or money.

Players can still earn what they want as their is now cap per player but face a decision to either earn the max they can or fit into a good squad. It will really give clubs like city and chelsea a challenge to balance the squad insted of each having 5/6 strikers.

The signing on fee would be a certain % of the transfer fee and free transfer signing on fees also have a maximum.

 

[mil1lion]

Maybe they should fuck off into their own super League where all the multi billionaire teams can play each other.

 

[nightgoat]

The draft system works in the US partly because it's been that way for however long it's been used. If it was to just be introduced into football here, the nature of the game would ruin it eventually, and probably fairly quickly.

Even if an equivalent of the collegiate draft were to be set up, and it was to be contained to just the 20 Premier League clubs for the forthcoming season with Swansea as Playoff winners taking first pick, the likes of Chelsea, Shitty and Man Utd would just steam in and trade picks for picks plus players, or picks plus cash.

And you could imagine the new football draft's equivalent of Sidney Crosby or whoever turning round and saying 'I don't want to play for Swansea or Norwich when I could go to Man City and get five times the salary'.

 

[nightgoat]

I think the solution for more parity is a maximum salary cap for the squad each year. This would stop clubs like city being able to stockpile players on ridiculous wages. If you want to make changes to your squad you will need to free up salary space by selling players. It will also mean players will really have to think about whether they want to go somewhere for the challenge or money.

Or they'd have to tell the squad "We want to pay Sergio £250,000 a week so you're all going to have to take a £10,000 per week pay cut." Which probably wouldn't work...

 

[faymantaray]

Salaries and signing on fees should be proportional to the income of the club? ie. how much players are worth with a firm maximum in place in both cases..

 

[hellava_tough]

Maybe they should fuck off into their own super League where all the multi billionaire teams can play each other.

To be honest, I think this is where football is headed

First the League Cup is shit and meaningless

Next the FA Cup is shit and meaningless

Next the UEFA/Europa Cup is shit and meaningless

The Premier League is soon going to become shit and meaningless if there are 2 or 3 teams miles ahead of everyone else

So what do you have left?

The Champions League

But there are quite a few shit teams in that, so the next thing to do will take the best teams, throw in a couple of Brazilian and Argentinian teams and have a 'World Super League'. They might even have a 'World Super League Div 2' full of Asian teams because there's a massive market share in that part of the world

The wages will be obscene, the marketing will be rammed down our throat, the players' behaviour will be appalling and it will be sponsered to the hilt. It will be one gaudy heap of putrid horse-shit

Fuck 'em


Anyone want to have a kick-about down the park instead?

 

[hellava_tough]

A lot of football clubs are PLCs with many shareholders

Surely this would also need to be taken into account if the rules were going to be changed

 

[StockSpur]

i pity arsenal for being in the same boat as we are, albeit at the other end of the boat eyeing us suspiciously.

 

[StockSpur]

To be honest, I think this is where football is headed

First the League Cup is shit and meaningless

Next the FA Cup is shit and meaningless

Next the UEFA/Europa Cup is shit and meaningless

The Premier League is soon going to become shit and meaningless if there are 2 or 3 teams miles ahead of everyone else

So what do you have left?

The Champions League

But there are quite a few shit teams in that, so the next thing to do will take the best teams, throw in a couple of Brazilian and Argentinian teams and have a 'World Super League'. They might even have a 'World Super League Div 2' full of Asian teams because there's a massive market share in that part of the world

The wages will be obscene, the marketing will be rammed down our throat, the players' behaviour will be appalling and it will be sponsered to the hilt. It will be one gaudy heap of putrid horse-shit

Fuck 'em


Anyone want to have a kick-about down the park instead?

with technical developments going the way they are, ticket/travel prices, will we be able to hop on the plane to milan for an away game on a saturday afternoon and back in time for a late dinner?

 

[razza]

I agree with many who said that Chelsea and City are a cancer of the game.
I would rather Arsenal win the title then city or Chelsea. My god that takes a lot for me to say, having been humiliated and abused by gooners for so many years, but at least they did it through deft brinksmanship. City and Chelsea I hope both clubs are destroyed and liquidated when their owners walk away, they are destroying the English game and have added nothing to football at all.
I have now banned Oasis music from my house, they were only ever a poor status Quo with extra ego and eyebrows.

I hate hearing the media praising City yesterday, saying Mancini is a genius. Its makes me pretty sick. I hope and pray both these clubs get their comeuppence in the near future and the stupid moronic owners drop them. I hope an pray that the FA, UEFA or the EU will ban these type of owners and force clubs to run a business , but they won't.
Maybe the Arab Spring will force the Abu Dhabi people away and invest in the own lands, or maybe Abramovich's empire will collapse with a new leader in Russia, once Putin finally goes. I long for the return of the USSR..

 

[Woland]

DEFchenkOE

Are we just complaining about this because we lost badly?

Yes.

True, the state of the modern game is demonstrating a widening gulf between the money-doped and those who don't have the luck of oil money windfall. Before Citeh, we've been bitter of Chelsea for the resources undeserved, of 'Sky Four' for the influence on FA and for the CL money. We were bitter of Arsenal for you know what. Now it's Man City. On the field they are beatable, no matter how doped. And they were beatable yesterday, had we put a performance we're capable of. We just didn't.

When it's 11 vs 11 (or 10 in the last 20 mins, doesn't matter) you just have to be smart, disciplined and have heart & grit.

It's not wrong to take the moral high ground for not being doped. Especially when we win What I disagree with is the boo-hoo about death of football, etc. Not fair you say? Fuckin' life's not fair. How many of you have seen Spurs win the League? Any Sheikhs ruining the beautiful game in the 70s? Nothing has changed for Spurs, people. Only the well-managed ambition is bearing fruit for us. Clubs can still punch above their weight. Everton broke into the top 4 and failed to capitalise on it. Spurs did it too and failed to strengthen the squad. Those two clubs have only themeselves to blame.

DEFchenkOE

What was our wage bill compared to Blackpool's last season? The difference was probably similar between us and City's now. Yes they went down but they were still able to take 4 points of us.

Exactly.

Look, it's not the money that necessarily buys you success. It's the consistency of success that brings you money that you can convert into results. ManU do not operate on a sugar daddy allowance. Nor is Barcelona, nor is Liverpool.

By skipping the success phase with pouring money may get you trophies.
If you know what you're doing. Leeds certainly didn't. Roman 'bought' 2 League titles but still cannot buy the CL trophy. Even Real Madrid have won f-all recently because Barca are so good, not because they have the most bucks. Chelsea didn't manage to lift the League Cup in 2008 and lost to a team of a club with far less financial weight.

Chelseas and Citehs of this world depend on the owner's whim. And when the personal fortunes of Sheikhs and Oligarchs turn, these clubs will be where they used to be. Albeit sans soul.

Get over the yesterday's thrashing.

Love what you do and do it at a high level with the resources at your disposal. With consistent effort it gets you results.

I, for one, love the game, support Spurs (resources) and it gives me enormous satisfaction (result) whenever we win a game.

 

[rez9000]

The American draft system sounds great in theory and it would certainly make things fairer and more competitive but another reason it wouldn't work is the relegation of the bottom three clubs to the lower leagues. It would be pointless for the team that finished 20th to have the most allowance to spend on players as they would be playing in the Championship. Would the highest allowance then go to the team that finished 17th? That wouldn't really make sense..

:grin: Well, to be honest, this isn't a fully-formed, totally codified system I've come up with.I'm just one person with an idea, not a host of economists and financial wizards with a budget of millions.

A possible answer is that the team that wins the playoff in the division below would have the highest for the division above the following year, the team who came second would have the second highest and the winners of the division would have the third highest in the division above.

Going downwards, the team that finishes bottom of the League would be given the third lowest for the division below, the team who finished 19th would have the second lowest and the team that finished 18th would have the lowest. How difficult is that?

And I would then ask if you're suggesting that this one problem, and a solvable one at that, should be justification for rejecting a new system out of hand? Or a even ten other problems of this nature - logistical ones, for which solutions can be found? Theoretically, I mean.

This is the problem - we all rail against the system that has corrupted football and turned it into a mockery, while at the same time totally and unutterably terrified of any change to that system!

People, we reap what we sow. There's a saying, 'For evil to flourish all it takes is for good men to say nothing'. To twist that saying slightly - for the current system to flourish, all it takes is for fans to do nothing about it.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Well Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool have all spent vast sums of money. We've spent almost nothing, so we now go into the rest of the season with a point to prove. The spending has to come to an end at some point and it is time that a team showed everyone that things can be achieved without spending ridiculous amounts of money.

My fear is that Harry himself believes that you can only win things by spending ridiculous amounts of money because he is so media oriented and that is what the media in this country have everyone believing. They make such a huge deal out of the transfer window that many fans are now more interested in the signings than the actual football.

Whether it is by design or we just ended up in this situation we are now the ones who are in a position to show what can be done. I'm looking forward to this season immensly, maybe more so because we are basically doing battle against the evil that is destroying football.

 

[onthetwo]

NONE of the major American sports have these problems..they have wage-caps and drafting. Simples.

 

[onthetwo]

Oh, and we've all forgotten that the best European team of all hardly spends anything on transfers. Still

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Oh, and we've all forgotten that the best European team of all hardly spends anything on transfers. Still

Barcelona? :shrug:

 

[onthetwo]

Barcelona? :shrug:

correct - i know they shelled out on Villa and Masherano but i think they had 8 home-grown players in their side v. Real the other day so that was my point.

 

[mattyspurs]

correct - i know they shelled out on Villa and Masherano but i think they had 8 home-grown players in their side v. Real the other day so that was my point.

Sanchez, Fibreglass. Even they have to spend to compete nowadays!!

 

[spursphil]

Its days like today when I almost lose complete interest in professional football as a sport. It seems that with the vast sums of money being paid for both transfer fees and players wages it has lost a lot of its appeal.

A team like city come in and spend £500m, win the title (if not this year then next) and the whole game becomes a farce. As much as I love spurs and I dont expect to win every game, it almost becomes pointless to aim to finish 4th because its the best you can possibly hope for.

I find it depressing to think that with the money other teams are spending its almost impossible for a great club like spurs to have a chance of winning the league. It has been bought for years and shows no sign of changing, whereas we have struggled our way up for years to become the nearly men.

Non-League football and the lower leagues currently have a much more interesting competition as they have no real stand out team year on year and the possibility of a team transforming its fortunes through hard work and good management is far greater than just a billionaire funding a dream team to play with.

We are witnessing the death of football under the guise of the most compelling competitions known to man. We are being told how football has never been better but its rotten to the core with corruption and money. We are slowly approaching a European super league for the super rich

Fantastic post mate, i think you echo the thoughts of many a football fan.

I have been watching non-league football for a number of years now, and there is something special in going to watch grass roots footy standing on the terraces again.

This weekend is non league day.

http://www.nonleagueday.co.uk/

Many clubs are offering season ticket holders from premeirship and league clubs reduced admission. Some clubs are even offering Free admission

Canvey Island
Sutton United
Tooting & Mitcham all free entry on production of your season ticket.

Give your local non league team a try this saturday, you never know you might enjoy it.

 

[RichieS]

This thread generally sums up my feelings about the Premiership now. I will always love Spurs but ultimately our quest is futile. God only knows what it must be like to be an Everton fan - they were so close and then us, Chelsea and now City just started outspending them. Sometimes I wish I lived in Germany so that I could go and see entertaining, unpredictable football whilst standing and holding a beer in my hand.

I can tell you now who will win the Premiership this season and that is pathetic. The European Super League can't come soon enough in my opinion.

re: a wage cap - bad idea I think. Whilst it does partially solve the problem, it also punishes teams such as Man U and Arsenal who can actually afford to pay high wages because they generate huge amounts of money. The 'cap' if it happens should be based on proportion of previous season's turnover.