reports this morning suggest Commoli's head was on the block until he set up the Modric deal. It hit a small snag and Levy got on a plane and tied up the deal which impressed the player and his agent. Report also says that relations btwn Comolli and Ramos are at a low because of the Gilberto signing who is seen as "a Comolli signing"
ITK Dragon1- Modric info (transfer nothing to do with commolli)
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Colonel_Klinck
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If we could clone him:-
Yes, if only we could.
Dharmabum
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This is it for me too. I wouldn't be surprised about ITK agendas etc, but I think this is just ignorance about how our system works. I'm not ITK on our transfter system but from what I've read I'd bet my house on this being approximately the roles and responsibilities (and I've posted something like this before so sorry for being repetitive
):- JR says what type of First Team players he needs
- DC/scouting system and (now) JR RECOMMEND transfer targets to the committee based on fit to above and getability - 'the long list'
- The committee (JR, DC and DL) agree a short-list based on discussion of fit, budget and wages, etc.
- Each can VETO proposals (Jol probably couldn't before)
- DL will DECIDE in the event of a stalemate
- DC probably INPUTs into negotiation strategy
- DL EXECUTES big negotiations, DC EXECUTES smaller negotiations
- JA will have an INPUT on some legal aspects supported by his team
- Medical team may INPUT on the player's fitness
- DL has the final DECISION on go/no go for a deal to be struck
DC will also have a fairly full remit to build a team for the future.
As I say, I'm no ITK but I have a pretty good experience about how companies organise this type of set-up and I bet this is damn close.
eViL
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This is it for me too. I wouldn't be surprised about ITK agendas etc, but I think this is just ignorance about how our system works. I'm not ITK on our transfter system but from what I've read I'd bet my house on this being approximately the roles and responsibilities (and I've posted something like this before so sorry for being repetitive
- JR says what type of First Team players he needs
- DC/scouting system and (now) JR RECOMMEND transfer targets to the committee based on fit to above and getability - 'the long list'
- The committee (JR, DC and DL) agree a short-list based on discussion of fit, budget and wages, etc.
- Each can VETO proposals (Jol probably couldn't before)
- DL will DECIDE in the event of a stalemate
- DC probably INPUTs into negotiation strategy
- DL EXECUTES big negotiations, DC EXECUTES smaller negotiations
- JA will have an INPUT on some legal aspects supported by his team
- Medical team may INPUT on the player's fitness
- DL has the final DECISION on go/no go for a deal to be struck
DC will also have a fairly full remit to build a team for the future.
As I say, I'm no ITK but I have a pretty good experience about how companies organise this type of set-up and I bet this is damn close.
Well done Nick. I could have typed it all out, but I'd only just got home from a 7 hour flight.
Have some rep dude.
Dan Ashcroft
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This is a personal agenda of the ITK or the source. Commolli was as fully involved with the transfer as ever. Come on, even the photos from Saturday show that.
Dan Ashcroft
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This is it for me too. I wouldn't be surprised about ITK agendas etc, but I think this is just ignorance about how our system works. I'm not ITK on our transfter system but from what I've read I'd bet my house on this being approximately the roles and responsibilities (and I've posted something like this before so sorry for being repetitive
- JR says what type of First Team players he needs
- DC/scouting system and (now) JR RECOMMEND transfer targets to the committee based on fit to above and getability - 'the long list'
- The committee (JR, DC and DL) agree a short-list based on discussion of fit, budget and wages, etc.
- Each can VETO proposals (Jol probably couldn't before)
- DL will DECIDE in the event of a stalemate
- DC probably INPUTs into negotiation strategy
- DL EXECUTES big negotiations, DC EXECUTES smaller negotiations
- JA will have an INPUT on some legal aspects supported by his team
- Medical team may INPUT on the player's fitness
- DL has the final DECISION on go/no go for a deal to be struck
DC will also have a fairly full remit to build a team for the future.
As I say, I'm no ITK but I have a pretty good experience about how companies organise this type of set-up and I bet this is damn close.
That's pretty much spot on Nick. The responsibilities of the 'Gang of Four' committee can be simiplied even more:
JR - wants
DC - options
JA - contracts and permits
DL - money
The four then discuss Commolli's options that Alexander has okayed against Ramos' criteria.
There's been no change at all in the role Ramos plays cf Jol though. The only difference is Ramos chooses to consult Poyet more than Jol did Houghton, although Poyet does not attend these meetings.
JamesTheYiddo
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So if we sign good players its Levy/Ramos signing
But if hes shit its a commoli signing :roll:
But if hes shit its a commoli signing :roll:
PYiddy
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that would make sense if you look at things. obviously speculation and opinion on my part, but i cant help thinking that comolli is a lot to blame for our poor season.
Looking back, to me its obvious last summer, he was buyng for the future and not the present because he was looking to get Jol out. Up until jan, our first 11 was the same as last year, which is pretty diabolical really. Suddenly we get Ramos in and we sign a 28 year old and a 31 year old.
To me it adds up to him being shuffled aside. The ITK on this thread could be a load of nonsense, obviously, but it does fit in with my view of things.
eddiebailey
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Quite. Levy sees himself as a kick ass negotiator, and is very hands on.
The issue is whether Comolli is having less say on targets now Ramos here, and this ITK does not seem to help with this.
My own feeling is that compared to Jol, Ramos is more knowledgeable, more definite in his opinions and more likely to be listened to.
Comolli, a former Arsenal youth scout, was a bought in to "do an Arsenal", and build a team for the future by scouting the best young talents. This was fine in principle, but Comolli being youth oriented, failed to recognise the importance of a blend of youth and experience. You do not win anything with kids, but after two consecutive fifth place finishes the Board got carried away and started demanding an immediate break through to the top four. Jol was ousted and Ramos came in, and Ramos is not a man to take the long term view, he wants to win, now. Such is his profile, the Board are being swept up in this, and we are now going for much more high profile signings. This inevitably means Comolli has less influence, as touting prospects such as Assou-Ekottu or Kaboul to the transfer committee is not going to cut the mustard.
Dan Ashcroft
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Also, re. Commolli, don't forget that he's our linguist as well (not that we wouldn't employ a translater if need be).
I think Commolli speaks 5 or 6 languages (English and Spanish are his main two but the others aren't far behind) so he may have even conducted the Modric talks in Russian.
I think Commolli speaks 5 or 6 languages (English and Spanish are his main two but the others aren't far behind) so he may have even conducted the Modric talks in Russian.
spurs4europe
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surely french and english would be his main two :shrug:
Dan Ashcroft
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Yes, sorry, English and Spanish are his main two foreign languages I meant.
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Well they let me stand up there during night games and make hand silhouettes shapes.
My best is the Dove. See it's wings flap?
I have no doubt that this particular piece of dragon1 ITK is spin at the service of a particular agenda, just as with some of the blackening of Jol's reputation around the time of Ramosgate.
I'm also pretty sure that Levy did personally seal the deal, as confirmed by Dinamo Zagreb themselves (see quote below):
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Despite losing one of their brightest players, Dinamo sporting director Zoran Mamic was happy with the deal brokered with Spurs.
"Tottenham's president came to Zagreb," said Mamic. "We signed the agreement and everything is in order.
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=30409
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The interesting thing for me is why dragon1 is choosing this precise moment in time to blacken Commoli's name? Are we about to get a new DoF?
I'm also pretty sure that Levy did personally seal the deal, as confirmed by Dinamo Zagreb themselves (see quote below):
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Despite losing one of their brightest players, Dinamo sporting director Zoran Mamic was happy with the deal brokered with Spurs.
"Tottenham's president came to Zagreb," said Mamic. "We signed the agreement and everything is in order.
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=30409
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The interesting thing for me is why dragon1 is choosing this precise moment in time to blacken Commoli's name? Are we about to get a new DoF?
Concur. Would seem to be an agenda the more I think about it. However, I'd be amazed if DC's job is threatened. DL said that the success of Ramos' appointment will be the evidence of his success or failure. I don't think we're anywhere near the end of that test yet.
