High tempers after the Chelski game

[BorisTM]

Heh, they were lucky I wasn't in the dressing room, then Dawson would have sounded to them as if he was singing a lullaby.

 

[SteveH]

Not tactically, I mean he has to work his tits off each and every game just to step up to the level people expect, with our more naturally skilled players it comes easier to them.

I think I prefer a player to be the best he can be every game, even if that's worse than another player making very little effort.

an uninspired Vertonghen can be a better defender than your average Dawson, but what Dawson does I appreciate more as a fan (effort, fighting spirit, giving 110%). Not specifically saying Vertonghen is uninspired, but just for comparative purposes.

Spot on

No good being skillful if you can't be bothered.

 

[Revan1882]

He's the captain, he represents the club and the manager on the pitch and elsewhere - it's his job to have a go at the other players when they're slacking.

Your desperation to blame him for mistakes which led to nothing and then claim he's got no right to bawl out the other players who did make mistakes which led to goals just shows how biased you are against him before you even start debating.

It's also irrelevant as to whether someone had a good game or not when the whole team was poor and gave up - and it's also irrelevant because the whole point of this is that Dawson was having a go at people for giving up, for not caring about the result or the football club or the fans, not based on what bloody score he gave them out of ten.

It's like you want him to fail almost as much as you want Soldado to fail. I can't wait to hear your always-negatives thoughts about the next player you take a dislike to - you've already chosen to pick on two of the most passionate and hardest-working players in the team, I wonder what treatment you'll give someone like Lamela.

Grown up FFS, I have nothing against Dawson but him having a go after that match when he was as bad as everyone else would be meaningless. You clearly don't read anything I write and if you do maybe you should read it all again. I have nothing against Dawson and have said nothing to imply that I want him to fail. Bloody hell, what is it I am not allowed to say that no one had a good game so that means I hate Dawson. Yeah right that makes sense. Yes he is the captain but what's he gonna say to them really, that they gave up? Isn't he also part of the team that gave up against Man City, Liverpool and all the other matches that went so badly?

Yes he can have a go, but it won't work until everything has calmed down and the players want to listen and I am guess after that match a lot of them wouldn't want to here from Dawson as his performance was awful as well. The fact is he wouldn't have a position of power when he has played as badly as he did as well and all it would do is cause arguments between players. This season due to the tactics of AVB and TS his position in the first team has be hugely in question, so him being Captain could be questioned by the players as much as it is with fans. We all probably agree that the high line we play makes him look worse than he is, so respect for him as a player in the squad might be quiet low.

Oh and fuck off about Soldado I have stated many times I don't want him to fail but I don't think we are the club or the league for him and if that confuses you I don't know any other way to put it. Lets try this
La liga.... Valencia..... Soldado..... Good
Prem League...... Tottenham.....Soldado.....Not Good

The whole team needs to get there act together, in case the makes no sense that means the WHOLE team. That includes Dawson and TS as there are bigger issues than what we just saw at Chelsea, what needs to be done I have no idea and to be honest neither do you. I haven't seen us play as badly as we have this season it actually stuns me that we have as many points as we do, but if you want to think I want Tottenham players to fail, well that's up to you

 

[davidmatzdorf]

One of his cross-field balls hit the plane out if the sky maybe?

This is exactly the sort of habitual myth-making that I'm talking about. There weren't any inaccurate cross-field balls against Chelsea. People just assume there were, because it's their sloppy stereotype and a cheap joke.

Seriously though for all the huff and puff he's just a player that belongs in a different era, and has fans on here who help prove that theory. I know some of you value effort over ability but its pretty obvious how limited he is but I guess some people just refuse to see it. No ones knocking your belief system they just have eyes that are open and maybe understand the modern game in a way maybe you don't.

Now go back and read my post again. There's no 'belief system' and no suggestion that effort is being valued over ability. Indeed, I've pointedly described the defenders who fucked up against Chelsea as 'talented' and 'daunting', to reinforce the point, which is that these excellent players cost us the match, whilst Dawson played a solid game. Recently, he played a much more than solid game and was voted MotM.

The point is that the facts about these two matches haven't stemmed the flow of dismissive comments about what Dawson 'is'. I'm not talking about what he 'is', I'm describing what he 'did' - which was to play a solid game that did not cost us any goals, whilst his speedier and more mobile teammates were screwing up all over the place.

I'd wager a guess that some of you Dawson fans are like this: English in origin, never wanted Defoe sold, hated AVB from the start and think Harry was a genius. If only Jimmy Hill still presented match of the day you guys might be making a lot of sense.

Another set of stereotyped assertions that bears no relation to my post that started off this part of the thread. Nor to me. Dawson has his well-known limitations, but he played better than his colleagues against Chelsea and he deserves credit for it, not just the same tired, clichéd and inaccurate observations about his 'hoofing' the ball and his 'heart'. He often does play better than his colleagues, because he has strengths that compensate for his limitations. Sometimes, those strengths are insufficient to compensate, usually when he is faced with a skilful, mobile attacker such as Aguero - or Hazard. But they compensated very effectively against Chelsea, as his more gifted teammates failed.

 

[ilikeost]

Umm, I'm sorry, you really don't seem to understand what I was getting at, do you? I was pointing out that those players are un reachable, and past their best... But well done for noticing.. Not many posts get my back up on here, but this does... It kinda shows how stupid some of our fans can be (pls note, not all)... I tell ya what mate, tell me who could pull our team around right now, with the leadership we need so badly? Ie. who could be the managers voice on the pitch? A player the squad look up to? Cos that was my point.. Douche.

I think it's you who don't understand what you were getting at, or at least did a shit job of explaining yourself.

You said:

I mean, who is available?

Then you go on do name Xavi, Gerrard and De Rossi and say that they are old and passed their best, like they were options. My point is that you can't simply buy these players, you have to create them yourself. De Rossi, legend in Roma, been there all his career. Xavi, legend in Barcelona, been there all of his career. Gerrard, legend in Liverpool, been there all his career. You can't just buy an old and experienced player and think that he'll be a leader in the same capacity that Gerrard, Xavi and De Rossi are for their clubs. And not even to mention that these players have NOTHING to do with Spurs and couldn't care less about our club.

Sorry that you got upset by the fact that I don't agree with you and that I found your post dumb.

 

[weststandvoice]

Who do you shag, the fat munter who smells but thinks the sun shines out of your arse, or an indifferent Monica Bellucci ?

What would be really useful would be if Dawson could show some leadership on the pitch. A few weeks ago he had to take a booking because Townsend gave the ball away then couldn't be arsed to chase the bloke and win the ball back. He just smiled a took it. A leader would have given Townsend the kind of bollocking that would ensure he didn't do it again. He's done similar ever game since.

Caring's great an all, but it's no substitute for talent or actual leadership.

This.

 

[dynamoSpurs]

Such a talented squad. But a complete car crash of a team. This makes me sad.

Maybe we overrate our squad? I honestly struggle to think about a single exceptional or even above average player we possess...

 

[nailsy]

Confirmed.

Sandro reveals how Tottenham held angry crisis meeting
Last Updated: 12/03/14 11:21pm

Sandro has backed Tim Sherwood's scathing assessment of Tottenham and revealed how the squad held an angry meeting after the heavy Chelsea defeat.

Tottenham's hopes of a Premier League top-four finish were severely dented by Saturday's 4-0 defeat at Stamford Bridge and head coach Sherwood lambasted his side, accusing them of lacking character.

The players were also branded too 'nice' by their angry boss, but Sandro has shed light on how his team-mates vented their frustrations in a lengthy dressing room inquest.

"We spent more than two hours in a meeting amongst the players and we said what we had to say," he said.

"From now on, we know that we all have to listen when anyone says something. It was after the manager's conference with the press.

"We had a meeting with the players. Sometimes one player got a bit more stressed out and we tried to calm him down and talk in a nice way. We spent about two hours that way. Every player had their fair share to say, put it that way. We all spoke amongst ourselves.

"For me, to be honest, it helped a lot because now I can go and tell another player, and another player can tell me. The manager likes it. Everyone can go for it now, and I think it will help.

"I think that is positive from ourselves and we have to show in the next match that we can do much better. And we will prove that. I am sure we will show much more character in the next matches."

Former Spurs boss Glenn Hoddle raised concerns about Sherwood's outburst, but Sandro insists he repeated his media comments to the players.

"He said the same thing to us as what he said to the press," the 24-year-old said.

"I know the manager is with us and we are with the manager. We need to show a bit more in the next match to tell the manager that we care. We will do that.

"Sometimes when you lose games in that way everyone gets cross and we all scream and shout.

"Maybe some managers shout more than others. (Former manager Andre) Villas-Boas, for example, liked to pull you aside and have a nice chat to you to explain things.

"But other managers are more vocal. As professional football players, we have to work with all managers and do our best for them and for us."

Sandro hopes a fired-up Spurs side will produce a response in Thursday's Europa League last-16 first-leg clash with Benfica.

"After a match like this (against Chelsea) we were all upset with what happened on the pitch and I think we have to put in some more effort than we

did," he said.

"The manager said we need to show more character. Maybe it is that. We have this big game against Benfica, where we can show that we are better than that."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...veals-how-tottenham-held-angry-crisis-meeting

Reading that it sounds like Sandro felt like he couldn't say anything to his team mates before which is really surprising.

 

[gavspur]

Umm, I'm sorry, you really don't seem to understand what I was getting at, do you? I was pointing out that those players are un reachable, and past their best... But well done for noticing.. Not many posts get my back up on here, but this does... It kinda shows how stupid some of our fans can be (pls note, not all)... I tell ya what mate, tell me who could pull our team around right now, with the leadership we need so badly? Ie. who could be the managers voice on the pitch? A player the squad look up to? Cos that was my point.. Douche.

A watch it? You kidding me? Ha. Ok.. Sorry teacher.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

A watch it? You kidding me? Ha. Ok.. Sorry teacher.

You know exactly why.

 

[tobbi]

Why have we always got to have a scapegoat at this club.im 41 and I can't remember a season when we didn't have one .do all clubs do this or are we "special"

 

[SpursDave88]

Why have we always got to have a scapegoat at this club.im 41 and I can't remember a season when we didn't have one .do all clubs do this or are we "special"

All clubs have them, usually with good reason, there will always be a comparative weak link no matter how good they are and it is part of supporting a football club.

Arsenal: Bendtner, Denilson, Andre Santos, Gervinho.

Chelsea: Was Gary Cahill, now Fernando Torres.

Utd: Darren Gibson, Ashley Young, Nani, used to be Carrick.

Liverpool: Used to be Henderson, Downing...

Everton: Tony Hibbett

 

[sidford]

Some rumors that Hugo had to pulled away from Jan as he was less then impressed with his effort and desire. Hope this is true as it means that there are people in the dressing room ready to have a go at someone for lack of effort & Hugo is perfectly positioned to spot what's in front of him so he'd notice it better then most.
I choose to believe it because Hugo does seem to be passionate & as a captain of his country is well placed to single individuals out of he feels it's needed

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

He was no more "key" than Bassong, Huddlestone, Crouch, Defoe, Corluka, Palacios and Gomes.


Football evolves.

I don't disagree at all sir. I was replying to the fact that someone labelled him as crap, which was out of context to the discussion anyway.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

FYP

Whats FYP dude? Fixed your post?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Didn't work.

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

Didn't work.

I was saying this in the Sandro thread. I am so sick of our players talking a good game and then just reverting back to the utter shambles that was the last game.

Shut the fuck up and just actually train to play as a team. You can start with defending.

 

[Syn_13]

If tempers were high after that game, it must be like a fucking funeral home after this one.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I was saying this in the Sandro thread. I am so sick of our players talking a good game and then just reverting back to the utter shambles that was the last game.

Shut the fuck up and just actually train to play as a team. You can start with defending.

Exactly. Don't talk the talk unless you can walk the walk...