Goodbye Kaboul…

[Bus-Conductor]

Great translation, typical stuff that any player would say in his situation. In fact I'm impressed by what he said about Ramos. Jol was like a father but Ramos actually concentrates on tactics and training. I know what I'd prefer in a manager.

And I like his attitude as well. There was no mischief making in there at all.

 

[eddiebailey]

Its not that damning actually, in fact the last half of the quotation is just an emphatic statement--he says: "I did not have any explanations on his part. He doesn't speak, not with anybody. There is no communication with him (literally: communication with him doesn't exist)"--that sounds damning to you?

Yes, I am afraid it does rather. Whatever the tone of voice there is no way of making lack of communication from a manager sound like a positive. What worries me about this, is not an out of favour feels he is being neglected, that s a common complaint, and was often made against Jol, but that Kaboul appears to be saying that a lack of communication is part of Ramos' a management style. This reinforces the impression given elsewhere in the interview that he is a cold, aloof, cerebral manager who does not engage with and motivate players.

Locotoro did translate the sentences, only a bit more literal.

Not he didn't. He omitted the sentence I have marked in bold entirely.

And with the punctuation used by Setanta, it sounds as if Kaboul's response was curt, snapped back or angry which is not the implication of the supposedly damning sentences at all.

I agree playing about with punctuation was naughty. But there is still a story here without stooping to journalistic spin.

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

Some of you guys have made some absolute twattish remarks...You're skeptical when the papers report we're signing every man and his 30 goal a season dog for £50m but believe this kind of crap without hesitation. FICKLE!!!

Simple translation from a french article written very much in the colloqiual tongue (difficult to translate with the online variety)

You guys are absolutely ridiculous!!!

spot on :clap:

 

[Blotto]

In your initial post, eddieb, it seemed as if you were implying that none of the sentences were translated--but he did leave out the last one.

Damning for who? Kaboul or Wendy? Kaboul doesn't seem to be bothered that much, he certainly doesn't "hit out" at Ramos' management style.

 

[DC_Boy]

XI Vs Zero surely means going through the team shape and set plays without any opposition, instead of having a Probables Vs Possibles type training match

cb - makes sense

 

[Locotoro]

Not he didn't. He omitted the sentence I have marked in bold entirely.

EB, I accept that the insertion, whether it be correct or incorrect, slightly alters the emphasis of that sentence. But that is exactly what I have said.

Im not sure how good your French is but I'll assume its good. This article is written in a very colloquial fashion (as you would expect from a football lads mag). I state that:

"I did not have explanations of his share. He does not speak, with anybody. It is his choice, I respect it, I am professional."

I havent left out any sentences EB.

But please dont take that out of context:

"I did not have explanations of his share. He does not speak, with anybody. It is his choice, I respect it, I am professional."

This reinforces the impression given elsewhere in the interview that he is a cold, aloof, cerebral manager who does not engage with and motivate players.

I think the type of manager you have described is called a disciplinarian, a tough-man who has no favourites and is willing to drop a player if they are not up to scratch.

To be honest, I would take that over the arm around the shoulder, pat on the back type any day. Football is their job and they get paid for it so they might as well work hard for our money!

Besides, I suspect that Alverez and Poyet have their roles to play in terms of communication with players

 

[nickspurs]

Thanks for translating Locotoro (and others for comments) :up:. I should have known better than to trust the media. Some do sink to new depths...

Kaboul sounds all right by me (he still might have had Donna Cullen's steel-tipped red pen stuck in his gonads before he had a chance to explain though) :wink:

 

[lukespurs7]

French U-21 captain, so much promise. shame..

 

[There's always next year]

I have this massive worry that if Kaboul leaves, he will be a star turn elsewhere, possibly the Goons or Pompey. Personaly, I would like to see more of him next year alongside Woodgate or King.

 

[double0]

Kaboul, Boatang and Taarabt just need a bit more time to settle. As for Kaboul's interview with a French footballing magazine going by Locotoro translation, I don't think Kaboul's said anything wrong and personal would prefer we keep him than Dawson.

 

[StockSpur]

didnt players say the same thing about jol whilst they were being sold?

 

[sloth]

EB, I accept that the insertion, whether it be correct or incorrect, slightly alters the emphasis of that sentence. But that is exactly what I have said.

Im not sure how good your French is but I'll assume its good. This article is written in a very colloquial fashion (as you would expect from a football lads mag). I state that:

"I did not have explanations of his share. He does not speak, with anybody. It is his choice, I respect it, I am professional."

I havent left out any sentences EB.

But please dont take that out of context:

"I did not have explanations of his share. He does not speak, with anybody. It is his choice, I respect it, I am professional."



I think the type of manager you have described is called a disciplinarian, a tough-man who has no favourites and is willing to drop a player if they are not up to scratch.

To be honest, I would take that over the arm around the shoulder, pat on the back type any day. Football is their job and they get paid for it so they might as well work hard for our money!

Besides, I suspect that Alverez and Poyet have their roles to play in terms of communication with players

Apologies to Eddie in advance (because he's not going to like what I say), but Eddie was one of the most angry at the departure of Jol and especially the way it was handled. since Ramos was appointed he's kept himself fairly balanced but Ramos definitely has something to prove to Eddie and in part at least due to the way Jol was jilted.

 

[eddiebailey]

Apologies to Eddie in advance (because he's not going to like what I say), but Eddie was one of the most angry at the departure of Jol and especially the way it was handled. since Ramos was appointed he's kept himself fairly balanced but Ramos definitely has something to prove to Eddie and in part at least due to the way Jol was jilted.

No actually that is mostly fair comment!

But for me it is not about Jol vs. Ramos, it is about continuity, and whether Ramos brings enough to justify writing off a season and scrapping a young squad that finsished fifth two years in succession.

In fairness Ramos has salvaged something from the season, though as Kaboul says that is not necessarily down to him. The amount of transfer activity we are being linked to does however concern me.

 

[Locotoro]

No actually that is mostly fair comment!

But for me it is not about Jol vs. Ramos, it is about continuity, and whether Ramos brings enough to justify writing off a season and scrapping a young squad that finsished fifth two years in succession.

In fairness Ramos has salvaged something from the season, though as Kaboul says that is not necessarily down to him. The amount of transfer activity we are being linked to does however concern me.

If I had to weigh on one hand a young squad, with so much potential, of nearly men and the continual building for the future that never comes against an experienced winning side that doesnt make silly mistakes through lack of maturity and is able to put silverware in the cabinet now, I would take the latter in a heart beat

Thats not to say that Kaboul and every young player should be sold. I happen to think that Kaboul has a good future if used correctly. But we shouldnt be keeping youngsters for the sake of it.

(To make myself clear this is meant in general and not specifically at Kaboul)

 

[DJS]

I would be personally saddened to see Kaboul leave, even more so than if Dawson left as feel Kaboul has more potential whereas Dawson seems to be going backward a bit.

 

[eddiebailey]

If I had to weigh on one hand a young squad, with so much potential, of nearly men and the continual building for the future that never comes against an experienced winning side that doesnt make silly mistakes through lack of maturity and is able to put silverware in the cabinet now, I would take the latter in a heart beat

Point is we could have had all that by building on our existing squad and doing the transfer business last summer what we seem intent on doing this summer. We could even have built a team around Berbatov, who like you seems tired of building for a future that never comes.

 

[Locotoro]

Point is we could have had all that by building on our existing squad and doing the transfer business last summer what we seem intent on doing this summer. We could even have built a team around Berbatov, who like you seems tired of building for a future that never comes.

You are right in stating that all this could have been done last summer, but by the same stretch Jol may have wanted to go in a different direction, possibly one without success and obviously Levy felt that he wasnt the man to take us to the next level (different argument altogether)

I think if are to look at why we need such drastic changes to last summer it can be attributed to a lot of different factors normally attributed to new managers. But its quite clear to me that the defining problem we have had in breach the top 4 is style. The top 4 all have distinctive styles whereas we didnt. Ramos is now specifically bringing in players to suit the style he wants to impose on us, hence the expected revolving door. Some will be good enough to stay but may not suit the style (Defoe?) whilst other may not be of a great quality but will suit the style.

So there is a need to make changes in the results dependant industry because Ramos wants to work with players he will rely upon to do exactly what he wants.

The youth development should be a longer goal compared to the more immediate, more pressing goal of success.

 

[pagevee]

Locotoro, I would rep you if I could. I have to spread it around a bit more. As for some others in this thread...

Seriously, the translation actually sounds like an interview. I don't really care if a word or two are misplaced. The actual article everyone got all flamed up over is the biggest cow pattie/horse-shit/turtle-dung/goat terd of a manipulated shock-factor/wind-up article I have seen in awhile.:bang:

Drink some of this:beer:
Smoke a joint and chill the f-out. It was a wind-up!@!

Now wheres my Heine.....

 

[Blotto]

The worst thing is that it isn't even a good wind-up, the translation is so comically bad that the manipulation becomes obvious if you read the original French interview...frankly, I'm a bit shocked that so many fell for it.

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

The worst thing is that it isn't even a good wind-up, the translation is so comically bad that the manipulation becomes obvious if you read the original French interview...frankly, I'm a bit shocked that so many fell for it.

yep, I don't know French, but I was confident it was not accurate and as you said many fell for it and jumped the gun without giving Kaboul the benefit of the doubt

thread name should be changed to 'sorry Kaboul' :wink:

ps: I am of the opinion that he should be playing, he needs the games to continue adapting to the EPL and what better way than in games that have no pressure, Ramos has got it wrong by leaving him out and playing Zokora at the back IMO ( unless he is injured ).

I also feel he has more potential than Dawson and will be a better defender 'if' given a decent chance, he certainly has age on his side