Goodbye Kaboul…

[SpurSince57]

The worst thing is that it isn't even a good wind-up, the translation is so comically bad that the manipulation becomes obvious if you read the original French interview...frankly, I'm a bit shocked that so many fell for it.

No, it isn't. My French is by no means perfect, alas, but it's pretty good, certainly as far as reading goes. Setanta may have been a bit naughty with the punctuation, as you say, but the translation itself seems more or less spot-on.

 

[senseispab]

Who cares what he says? If he's good enough Ramos'll pick him, if he's not then Juande won't.

People seem to place waaay too much importance in the words of the sheltered manchildren that play professional football.

Same shit happened with Diarra (Lassana). The boy can play football, and by all accounts wants to play football. His utterences are barely worth the paper they're printed on.

 

[eddiebailey]

People seem to place waaay too much importance in the words of the sheltered manchildren that play professional football.

But it is precisely because they are pampered manchildren, all of them, that they are such a challenge to manage. Anyone could get a performance from Dave MacKay.

 

[senseispab]

But it is precisely because they are pampered manchildren, all of them, that they are such a challenge to manage. Anyone could get a performance from Dave MacKay.

Agreed, but it's also the reason why we, and the papers, shouldn't hang off their every pronouncement.

The self-importance of modern footballers is a beast of our own creation.

 

[SpurSince57]

I suspect he was on the way out in any case. It's all very well people claiming he's better than Dawson, needs more time, etc., but it's crashingly obvious that Ramos favours Daws. Is Kaboul one of those whom it's impossible to motivate?

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we got shot of Taarabt and Prince Bong, either.

 

[Blotto]

No, it isn't. My French is by no means perfect, alas, but it's pretty good, certainly as far as reading goes. Setanta may have been a bit naughty with the punctuation, as you say, but the translation itself seems more or less spot-on.

I know you've got French skills and I'll admit that my French is no longer at the level it once was, but when I see things like "Martin Jol was a person" or "Pour le reste" translated as "for the future" I would tend to think more or less spot on a generous characterization. There are sections that strongly resemble slightly (if at all) polished Babel Fish translations--"Ramos is about tactics, final point, there is nothing"; on the other hand, its not really worth getting into a big thing about.

 

[SpurSince57]

'Personnage' means 'character' or 'individual'—in fact, 'c'était un personnage' should translate as 'he was a real character', so, yes, 'person' is a bit sloppy, to say the least. But I assume the implication is that Jol was a (real) person, whereas Ramos isn't. Actually, his 'Rien avoir' means there's no implication at all. They have absolutely nothing in common. He's pretty scathing about what Ramos has brought to the club, as well: 'Tactically, things have changed a little bit, yeah, maybe.'; 'It's all about tactics and the final point, nothing else'; 'Ramos has brought that, but nothing else'.

'Pour le reste, je vais voir ça cet été.' A literal translation would be 'for the remainder', but 'as for the future' is a perfectly acceptable colloquial one, I'd have thought.

As you say, it's not worth getting into a big thing about, but he's clearly not a happy bunny. And I daresay Ramos won't be, either, now he's read that.

 

[Blotto]

Pinch of salt, that's all--the way some of it is translated and presented in the various articles that are making the rounds changes the tone of the interview (which is rather laid back), and we all know that the British press love to wind up whenever possible.

 

[thetallaghttiger]

We should loan Kaboul out to the best premiership team interested in him (though we'd have to make sure he'd be played regularly)

 

[pcross99]

Having been to the Lane a few times this season and watched us away in the first half of the season this lad has been a big disapointment to me. I had high hopes and he does look a very good player but in realality his talent has been to roar and needs time and experience which you just dont get in the Premier League.

Cheap shot at Ramos though eh? Somebody is about to be shown the door me thinks.

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[Pedro]

Its difficult what to make of this. Personally I would be sad to see him go cos i feel we could regret it big time in a few years, same with the Hudd. I think these two have possibly the greatest potential to improve in our squad. But we shall see, i have a sneaking feeling kaboul will start the next game, if only to prove this is BS. If he doesnt feature in either of the next two games then it would indicate he may be off. On a side note if we do let him go then it will build huge pressure on comolli.

Younis is just a kid though so maybe he will just get a bollocking. Im sure he will learn to watch what he says to the press now!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Yes, I am afraid it does rather. Whatever the tone of voice there is no way of making lack of communication from a manager sound like a positive. What worries me about this, is not an out of favour feels he is being neglected, that s a common complaint, and was often made against Jol, but that Kaboul appears to be saying that a lack of communication is part of Ramos' a management style. This reinforces the impression given elsewhere in the interview that he is a cold, aloof, cerebral manager who does not engage with and motivate players.



Not he didn't. He omitted the sentence I have marked in bold entirely.



I agree playing about with punctuation was naughty. But there is still a story here without stooping to journalistic spin.

Nice bit of spin there EB.
Bill Nicholson wasn't very tactile or cuddly was he ? Nor was Clough or Shankly. They still managed to motivate. And judging by the way we beat Arsenal and Chelsea in the final lack of motivation wouldn't seem to be a problem. Or even last saturday against a team playing fortheir survival despite us playing for nothing we have 70% possession and 21 shots.

And big cuddly Mart's teams were rarely what you'd call highly motivated especially away from home (i actually stopped being able to watch us away we were so insipid)