Gift Orban

[amathews3416]

In an ideal world we spend big on someone more proven, or a top class winger to play on the right.

If we're not willing to do that for whatever reason (tight with money, lack of available/ideal options) I'm fine with a punt on Orban as we do need a forward this window and as far as punts go he looks like an interesting one.

Nah, knew immediately that wasn't happening when Ange came out and said they were working on outgoings. This is same old song as every other transfer window. We have money to spend but squad is too bloated and need outgoings. Levy can't shift anyone and than it gets too late in the day for clubs to sell their better players and replace them. I think it's safe to say at this point we will be lucky to sign 1-2 more.

 

[King of the Lane]

In an ideal world we spend big on someone more proven, or a top class winger to play on the right.

If we're not willing to do that for whatever reason (tight with money, lack of available/ideal options) I'm fine with a punt on Orban as we do need a forward this window and as far as punts go he looks like an interesting one.

I get what you are saying but you dont sell the best striker in the world for £100mill only to take a punt on a kid that has barely played professional football. If he comes in it should be with another more senior CF or a good RWF. There is no excuse to not get a quality player in imo.

 

[SambaSpurs]

Interesting reference might be Adeyemi who is the same age as Orban at 21.

Adeyemi scored 42 in 103 apps in 2 seasons in the Austrian second division and 2 seasons in the first division. He then moved to Dortmund for £33m last summer.

Orban has 32 goals in 39 apps in the Norwegian second division and Belgian first division.

It is a slightly crude comparison but I believe Adeyemi mostly played as striker and in comparable quality leagues. Goes to show he has much less top level experience for the same age but his record compares favourably. £30m is probably what you pay after one more season of these exploits - it’s a punt but one I would like to see us take.

 

[CrazyKen]

Is he one of the most exciting prospects in Europe? Genuine question because I haven't seen him play except for YouTube clips, and I doubt hardly anyone on here despite screaming for this to get done are any different.

I'd much rather a player with more of a sample size personally even if it costs more. So many players have break out seasons only to fade into journeymen, and €30 mil is too much of a gamble on a fairly unknown quantity imo.

He had one good season in the Norwegian division below top division. Did ok after being sold to Gent. The talent is there without a doubt, but think he would go in and make an impact straight away? Nah..Dont think so..BUT he can become a brilliant player with time.

 

[Timberwolf]

I get what you are saying but you dont sell the best striker in the world for £100mill only to take a punt on a kid that has barely played professional football. If he comes in it should be with another more senior CF or a good RWF. There is no excuse to not get a quality player in imo.

Yeah I'm not defending Levy or the club - I agree we should be spending bigger on someone proven.

Just saying that if that's not the path we're going down and we're looking for a cheaper, younger option, then I think this is an interesting punt.

Given our position in the food-chain I'd prefer we try for players that are a bit risky but have the potential to become world-beaters (similar to what we've done with VdV) rather than picking safe options with lower upside. I think that approach is the only way we'll keep pace with the clubs that are willing to spend much more than us, but it does require excellent scouting so fingers crossed our guys know what they're doing.

 

[Young Nasty Man]

Nah, knew immediately that wasn't happening when Ange came out and said they were working on outgoings. This is same old song as every other transfer window. We have money to spend but squad is too bloated and need outgoings. Levy can't shift anyone and than it gets too late in the day for clubs to sell their better players and replace them. I think it's safe to say at this point we will be lucky to sign 1-2 more.

This. I know this is slightly off topic but I just don’t see how we are going to shift the deadwood without Levy conceding on some losses. The part that kills me is that we know the end result before we get there.

It kills me because we desperately need striker coverage or back ups and we’re gonna be hobbling our way through the season. I just won’t be surprised if Son is playing there by the end of the season. I’d love Orban to grow with this team and he feels like he ticks all the boxes. Price aside (I do think 30m is a bit steep), we need more youth and pace.

 

[Metalhead]

This. I know this is slightly off topic but I just don’t see how we are going to shift the deadwood without Levy conceding on some losses. The part that kills me is that we know the end result before we get there.

It kills me because we desperately need striker coverage or back ups and we’re gonna be hobbling our way through the season. I just won’t be surprised if Son is playing there by the end of the season. I’d love Orban to grow with this team and he feels like he ticks all the boxes. Price aside (I do think 30m is a bit steep), we need more youth and pace.

TBF if he wants to back Ange then it's just as much being willing to take a bit of a hit on outgoings as being willing to shell out for incomings.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Ultimately you have to trust the scouting and if this is the guy that Paratici/ Gabbanini/ the data team want in and it’s approved by Ange, then we should back them and go for it. £30m does seem steep but you’re not paying that just for what he is today, but also what he can become. Dan KP’s article mentioned that we think he has ‘enormous potential’, let’s see.

This is my take. The players value is more fluid than just financial implication. It’s also the functional value he would ring to your team. If he is seen to complete a part of the puzzle, then the fee is worthwhile. If the scouting and coaching teams feel he can come in and add something viable, then it’s worth doing. We are (as a fanbase) critical of our scoring teams not picking up the gems that the likes of Brighton, Brentford do, but here we may just be identifying a player based on the same data led view, and we’re haggling, penny pinching, despite just having sold a player for circa £100m, most of which was cash upfront.
We all know how this ends. We will miss out and end up with nobody, leaving ourself short again, from a position of strength in attack to being underpowered and short on goal threat, but spinning it as ‘we’re happy with what we have’, whilst Orban will go somewhere else, a club with vision to develop players, Dortmund, Ajax, Lille, Brighton etc, and if he continues to show the same ability to take the steps up in his stride, he could be the next Osimhen, caught him one move too late and now he’s out of our league.
Or I am way off her mark, and actually we’re just playing games and will pull the trigger once other pieces of the puzzle fall into place.

I get what you are saying but you dont sell the best striker in the world for £100mill only to take a punt on a kid that has barely played professional football. If he comes in it should be with another more senior CF or a good RWF. There is no excuse to not get a quality player in imo.

Depends on how Ange see’s the squad shaping up. If he feels (which we have heard) that Sonny will actually be better suited to CF, then spending bigger on a dynamic Winger/WF that can beat a man and create a threat to open up space for central players then going for a project backup like Orban actually makes much more sense.

 

[PhillySpurs]

Why should 30 million be our max point though? That's the point. As people keep saying there is an element of risk with every signing. Fact is though generally speaking there's a reason why some players value is higher than others.

Yes his data looks good but the point is it's based on a very small sample size in a lower league. If he'd done it for a couple of years straight or against better opposition in a better standard league I'd be happier with bringing him in. Fact is though lots on here are only really begging for this to get done because the links in the press have been stronger than for others.

I understand what you are saying. However, if he does continue to put up ridiculous numbers over a longer period of time, not only will his price go up substantially, but Spurs will have more competition for his signature.

I think that paying 30m might be worth the gamble, because if Spurs don't do it, we may have another Grealish type situation.

 

[cozzo]

Jermaine Defoe vibes

 

[KingNick]

This is my take. The players value is more fluid than just financial implication. It’s also the functional value he would ring to your team. If he is seen to complete a part of the puzzle, then the fee is worthwhile. If the scouting and coaching teams feel he can come in and add something viable, then it’s worth doing. We are (as a fanbase) critical of our scoring teams not picking up the gems that the likes of Brighton, Brentford do, but here we may just be identifying a player based on the same data led view, and we’re haggling, penny pinching, despite just having sold a player for circa £100m, most of which was cash upfront.
We all know how this ends. We will miss out and end up with nobody, leaving ourself short again, from a position of strength in attack to being underpowered and short on goal threat, but spinning it as ‘we’re happy with what we have’, whilst Orban will go somewhere else, a club with vision to develop players, Dortmund, Ajax, Lille, Brighton etc, and if he continues to show the same ability to take the steps up in his stride, he could be the next Osimhen, caught him one move too late and now he’s out of our league.
Or I am way off her mark, and actually we’re just playing games and will pull the trigger once other pieces of the puzzle fall into place.



Depends on how Ange see’s the squad shaping up. If he feels (which we have heard) that Sonny will actually be better suited to CF, then spending bigger on a dynamic Winger/WF that can beat a man and create a threat to open up space for central players then going for a project backup like Orban actually makes much more sense.

I don’t believe any of those clubs you mention would sign Orban for 30m. As you say, they pick up players one move earlier and before these ridiculous numbers start getting demanded.

I’m sure they have plenty of failures that go largely unnoticed outside of the clubs involved because of the low fees paid.

 

[lukadownthelane]

I can’t believe how many people on here are happy to see us slide in mediocrity again.

If this is the guy they want then this deal should have been don’t by now. If it’s not then we should have had someone lined up and he should be in the squad.

I get we need a CB to go before we get another but we should have a striker already.

 

[andyp8080]

the silence is almost deafening! Been linked with Orban and ITK to confirm there have been talks. And then ,as is often the way there is a lull in any information. No new ITK, nothing new from the media other than regurgitating the same stories.

Not many credible links to other strikers

I would love to know what is going on! i don't have the patience for this!

 

[Nerine]

I would love to know what is going on! i don't have the patience for this!

Umm. Don’t follow it all so closely, then?
Why get worked up about something you’re in control of? Lol

 

[Jaddas]

Think we are in the sell before we buy part of the window again.

 

[andyp8080]

Umm. Don’t follow it all so closely, then?
Why get worked up about something you’re in control of? Lol

i've often said life would be a lot easier if i didn't care so much about Tottenham!

I can't control what happens in a match but i get very worked up about that, as i suspect most of us do!

 

[chas vs dave]

I can’t believe how many people on here are happy to see us slide in mediocrity again.

If this is the guy they want then this deal should have been don’t by now. If it’s not then we should have had someone lined up and he should be in the squad.

I get we need a CB to go before we get another but we should have a striker already.

How are we sliding into mediocrity? Please explain?

 

[dk-yid]

Ha ha. Yeah that 2.6million they are raising in ticket price hike is the difference. Forget the 100's of millions brought in through other streams. The wasted money on manager sackings or failure to secure stadium sponsorship hey. They've raised the already highest ticket prices in Europe by 20% to compete in the transfer market.

Pathetic take from you mate, and you should be ashamed trying to make that argument.

Why is that you always deem the need to belittle and take digs at people?

I appreciate your ITK but you do tend to act like a patronising dick to people you disagree with or that you think are not as knowledgable as you.

Rabbi makes a tongue in cheek comment, you then call pathetic because you didn't get it, and the proceed with an apology, which basically isn't one....

Whether it's because of the god like status you hold to some here due to your ITK, or something else is going on I obviously know nothing about.... But you didn't used to act like this.

 

[lukadownthelane]

How are we sliding into mediocrity? Please explain?

We’ve finished outside Europe. We’ve sold our best player. We’ve got an unproven manager (who I like because at least the football will be fun). We’ve signed unproven inexperienced players (bar one). We’ve got shortages in the squad. We’re showing less ambition that most clubs around us.

 

[Albertbarich]

How are we sliding into mediocrity? Please explain?

Well we just finished 8th and have sold our best player so there is certainly an argument to be made considering the drop off in goal records from Kane to Richy