Gift Orban

[THFCSPURS19]

He is the one Driving the signings?Really? in his pressers he has been saying he hasa no influence over the transfer dealings, he litterlay said that. Ofc he will have told who he wants adn he will get some of his players , but have you seen anything from Levy the last 20 years that he will change? The manager have a say up to a point and if the manager look at players in the 10 to 30 mill bracket, yes Daniel is all smiles.......

i am not suggesting we are replacing Kane, but what about all the other reports 2-3 years back with ending up with the likes of Rodon, Lenglet etc instead of just investing on a quality CB. Soon as a club say no , you will ahve to pay 60 instead of the 45 you want, Levy just goes and loans cheap or buys Rodon and Spence isntead. It has always been like this. But i guess if anyone is a Levy fan they will always be, no matter what.

Postecoglou has already and will continue to play a key part in shaping his own squad at Tottenham as he knows better than anyone exactly what kind of players fit his very specific style of football.

"I've done that wherever I've been. I guess because I know how my team is going to play it makes it easier for me to identify the right players. The reality is there are so many good footballers out there and sometimes the difference between them is very, very small in terms of what they can bring," he said.

"But I need to picture them in my team. Do they have the characteristics that I'll need for them to play the kind of football I want because obviously the way we set up is different to other clubs and what we ask of players in certain positions is different maybe to what they have been doing.

"So I have a real clarity when we're looking to bring in a player and what we require. With the players we've brought in that's what we've tried to veer towards. The scouting departments and people involved have brought players to me that I know are going to fit into my system."

 

[THFCSPURS19]

He is the one Driving the signings?Really? in his pressers he has been saying he hasa no influence over the transfer dealings, he litterlay said that. Ofc he will have told who he wants adn he will get some of his players , but have you seen anything from Levy the last 20 years that he will change? The manager have a say up to a point and if the manager look at players in the 10 to 30 mill bracket, yes Daniel is all smiles.......

i am not suggesting we are replacing Kane, but what about all the other reports 2-3 years back with ending up with the likes of Rodon, Lenglet etc instead of just investing on a quality CB. Soon as a club say no , you will ahve to pay 60 instead of the 45 you want, Levy just goes and loans cheap or buys Rodon and Spence isntead. It has always been like this. But i guess if anyone is a Levy fan they will always be, no matter what.

Also a couple of other things to point out from your post:
1) Levy was literally criticised for not signing Spence quick enough last summer.
2) I can’t stand Levy, but I use something called logic which means I (and others) can differentiate between when something is his responsibility and when something isn’t. Yes that’s patronising, but so was your post.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Levy's mental focus is still back in 2005, we need to follow the big boys. If spurs pay 55 mil for one player, they think they are spending HUGE , while the others around us are at 80 - 110 mill on one player.

Will never see Spurs be ambitious with Levy in charge, he will spend that 80-110, yes, but it will be on 3-4 players.

And that is the harsh reality. For all our history and fantastic facilities, we are not, and will not, be a contender under ENIC. We are still run like a business, our ‘rivals’ are run like sports teams. They understand the value of providing competitive onfield resource, it allows you to be successful, and that in itself offers additional revenue to stay solvent.
Liverpool, Utd, Chelsea, even Arsenal, they identify a gap in their squads, they go and source the best fit, and pull the trigger. If the player adds momentum to the footballing side, gives them an edge they didn’t have, that is taken into account when working out value. Liverpool sold Coutinho, spent big on Alisson and VVD, both huge fees for a GK and CB, but it elevated their team to another level. This summer, they have identified CM as a weakness and gone for MacAllister and (tried for) Caicedo, for big fees, without having to fret about selling first. Arsenal, likewise, Declan Rice for a a british record because he elevates their team. Utd, need a striker, go in for Kane, rebuffed, straight to Hojlund for decent money.
We would baulk at any of those fees and go for a lesser player who ultimately doesn’t improve us, and we end up trying to sell and failing. Ndomeble looked like we were turning the corner, but he flopped, partially due to circumstance of defensive coaches coming in who could, or wouldn’t, utilise him. That seems to have burnt us, and we have become as cautious as ever.
Perhaps this comes down to scouting, it isn’t clinical enough to provide confidence that the outlays work, so we go with the low risk low reward approach. It did work back in the day getting us from 5/6/7 into the top 4, but it won’t work getting us beyond that, unless the scouting is absolutely next level. Even then, buying promising young talent needs the development managing far better than we currently do. Managing first team minutes, or securing well fitting loans to teams that will play the right way and compete, so they players get exposed to the right pressures to develop. Until we get that right, the ‘hoover up young talent’ approach won’t work for us either.

Now, that’s not to say ENIC/Levy don’t spend, because they have, but they don’t spend in the right way. It’s always mid/lower tier targets, dragged out to the last minute to extract maximum value from the deal, but without acknowledging the soft benefits of early deals such as longer/better pre-season to bed in, missed games could have led to dropped points. If the mindset could change, and we could be guided far more strategically on the approach to building a team, I believe the financial support and will is there. There’s just a fear built up from multiple failed transfers that needs breaking.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Personally I was on the fence about getting Orban, not because he doesn’t look an exciting prospect, just because if he was going to be our one attacking addition then I think our front line would be looking weak with the loss of Kane. As mentioned Orban is still incredibly raw and I do think he probably needs a step in between us and the Jupiler Pro League playing week in week out (Italy or France would be good for him). Just because he’s the man, or rather boy, of the moment I think we all need to adjust our expectations somewhat. And I say this from a point of view actual having watched a few full matches of him last season not just YouTube clips.

With that being said, If we could hypothetically bring in a goal scoring wide forward as well as Orban then my opinion would change considerably as we wouldn’t need as much from him. He would have more space to develop without the pressure of being “Kanes replacement”. And I know that wouldn’t actually be the case but I guarantee you the media and socials will see it like that regardless what we say on here. The pressure on the kid will be there. I know players like Kvaratskhelia, Felix and Chiesa are probably unrealistic targets for Levy but a goal scoring wide player in that ilk alongside Orban would round off our front line nicely imo.

 

[Trix]

Also a couple of other things to point out from your post:
1) Levy was literally criticised for not signing Spence quick enough last summer.
2) I can’t stand Levy, but I use something called logic which means I (and others) can differentiate between when something is his responsibility and when something isn’t. Yes that’s patronising, but so was your post.

Not by everyone. I was saying from day one it was a pointless purchase because it was a Levy buy.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Not by everyone. I was saying from day one it was a pointless purchase because it was a Levy buy.

True, but the general vibe (justifiably and including myself) was ‘for fucks sake Levy stop haggling’. Still think he could be good for us but looks like he will be off.

 

[mil1lion]

We got Ange because he will work well with a tighter budget and give youth a chance. That's why signings like Orban are worth taking now when we couldn't go for them under Jose or Conte. This is the way Levy believes in and we've had relative success doing so. It just means we will always fall short of the top because you need those odd big high profile expensive signings to get you to titles. We develop the odd ones like Kane but will never sign additional ones. You have to hope we can develop several into world class players at the same time. Similar to what Poch did but this time don't stop scouting and brining in more top talent so it doesn't dry up. These young prospects are the ones that give me hope as it's how we have done best in the past. Long gone are the days we break the transfer record in England. We've had about 30 odd years of Sugar and Levy. We're not going to suddenly splash the cash.

 

[Fredo]

We got Ange because he will work well with a tighter budget and give youth a chance. That's why signings like Orban are worth taking now when we couldn't go for them under Jose or Conte. This is the way Levy believes in and we've had relative success doing so. It just means we will always fall short of the top because you need those odd big high profile expensive signings to get you to titles. We develop the odd ones like Kane but will never sign additional ones. You have to hope we can develop several into world class players at the same time. Similar to what Poch did but this time don't stop scouting and brining in more top talent so it doesn't dry up. These young prospects are the ones that give me hope as it's how we have done best in the past. Long gone are the days we break the transfer record in England. We've had about 30 odd years of Sugar and Levy. We're not going to suddenly splash the cash.

In other words - business first, football second.

It's a real shame.

 

[JacoZA]

So much talk about Daniel Levy. So little talk about Gift Orban.

 

[mil1lion]

In other words - business first, football second.

It's a real shame.

Not really. It's just doing things in a different way. Look how much Chelsea spend and finished below us last season. The top spending teams don't always get it right either. It's just that our method can only go so far in this day and age. Levy is always one to measure risk vs reward. That's why he didn't let Kane run his contract out. It's just a shame he doesn't really push the boat out at times and take more risks.

 

[Retoanderik88]

So, uh, do we have a bid in? What's the organisation news rather rhan the ENIC Financials?


I think getting him would be great, power pace some finishing. Bit defoe like in the finishing maybe. Something to tide us over until donnely comes through the middle and he can go wide.

 

[Fredo]

Not really. It's just doing things in a different way. Look how much Chelsea spend and finished below us last season. The top spending teams don't always get it right either. It's just that our method can only go so far in this day and age. Levy is always one to measure risk vs reward. That's why he didn't let Kane run his contract out. It's just a shame he doesn't really push the boat out at times and take more risks.

But why are we doing things in a different way? Oh, because of the financials involved. If the root to success is greater with top talent across the team, why wouldn't we take this route? The revenue we take in from the ground is astronomical.

There's no excuse.

 

[Caco]

Not really. It's just doing things in a different way. Look how much Chelsea spend and finished below us last season. The top spending teams don't always get it right either. It's just that our method can only go so far in this day and age. Levy is always one to measure risk vs reward. That's why he didn't let Kane run his contract out. It's just a shame he doesn't really push the boat out at times and take more risks.

I think our approach to buying young talent is a world apart from Chelsea. Yes they finished below is last season, but even so, they're still prepared to spend about €350m this year on the best young talent available. That figure doesn't include Enzo and Mudryk. Personally, I think at 25-30m Orban is they type of player we should be looking at, even if Kane had stayed as it gives us long term options, rather than splashing 10-20m on your Clarke's and Spence's. I think the difference with Levy is, he wants to buy a young player with potential for relatively cheap so he will be worth more when sold on, whereas Chelsea aren't considering the sell on as they intend to build a young team to hopefully dominate for years to come.

 

[Parkie]

With that being said, If we could hypothetically bring in a goal scoring wide forward as well as Orban then my opinion would change considerably

We have Kulusevski, Son, Solomon and Richarlison, plus several other options (e.g. Gil, Peresic, Sessegnon) to cover him… I’d love us to uncover the next talent for once.
Having said that, I do share the worry about non-league in Nigeria to Prem in three years (or so!)

 

[Albertbarich]

If you think he needs another move before his premier league ready thats fair enough but if that happens he will be too expensive for us once he gets the next move

Need to get ahead of the game.

 

[KingNick]

He is the one Driving the signings?Really? in his pressers he has been saying he hasa no influence over the transfer dealings, he litterlay said that. Ofc he will have told who he wants adn he will get some of his players , but have you seen anything from Levy the last 20 years that he will change? The manager have a say up to a point and if the manager look at players in the 10 to 30 mill bracket, yes Daniel is all smiles.......

i am not suggesting we are replacing Kane, but what about all the other reports 2-3 years back with ending up with the likes of Rodon, Lenglet etc instead of just investing on a quality CB. Soon as a club say no , you will ahve to pay 60 instead of the 45 you want, Levy just goes and loans cheap or buys Rodon and Spence isntead. It has always been like this. But i guess if anyone is a Levy fan they will always be, no matter what.

If you have actually taken that from what he’s said then I think you have some issues with comprehension/misunderstanding of how he works.

was it the not having a “shopping list” comment you were thinking of? If so, that just reflects that he doesn’t (and seems never to) have specific players in mind. He prefers to give the recruitment team a profile of the kind of player he wants and they come up with options. He will then approve or veto those options.
The veto of Max Kilman is one example of that. And he would have been a nice cheap option for levy.

 

[olliec]

I keeping reading chiesa but are we linked to him at all? He’s one of my fav players in the world, incredible talent.

I have seen some videos of this player, and he does look legit!

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

Not by everyone. I was saying from day one it was a pointless purchase because it was a Levy buy.

Might be wrong and obviously you’d know better, but wasn’t also very much a Paratici buy? With him having scouted him twice in person?

 

[mil1lion]

But why are we doing things in a different way? Oh, because of the financials involved. If the root to success is greater with top talent across the team, why wouldn't we take this route? The revenue we take in from the ground is astronomical.

There's no excuse.

Well the issue really is that the top players who can guarantee success don't want to join Spurs. So the best players who are in our reach are more risky. So sure we could say Mbappe for example would give us the best success but he would never come here. Whereas a player the calibre of Tapsoba may be more in reach but isn't going to guarantee the same success. I think that's why we are hesitant. I'm not saying its right as think we should push the boat out more for those players. I'm just describing how we do business in relation to this type of signing. So we are more likely to take a chance on Orban who could reach that level for much less money. It's like signing 3 players for 60m rather than just 1 so it only needs 1 to become a 60m+ player for it to pay off. There's obviously financial incentive but it is a business too. To be fair though historically our less expensive signings have been the best ones.

 

[Trix]

Might be wrong and obviously you’d know better, but wasn’t also very much a Paratici buy? With him having scouted him twice in person?

One of the things my company used to do was repair and renovate a variety of boats and dinghy's etc. If I told one of my employees to go and look at one because I was going to buy it, id very much expect them to do so.