Gareth Bale

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I think he'll end up at a 'big club' that are looking to make a statement signing (PSG, Bayern, possibly Man Utd, although the wages might be a stumbling block)

The only way he comes to us is at the end of the TW window, where Real have to cut their losses and pay up 75% of his wages

Btw, personally I think Bale would not mind one bit coming back to us, as long as he was still getting his £600k p/w
 

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I'd love to see Bale in a Spurs shirt again, but his injuries and salaries are just too damn high nowadays
 

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Of course this signing is unlikely to happen but am I right in believing RM still owe us money for the original transfer fee or has that now been paid??
 

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I think he'll end up at a 'big club' that are looking to make a statement signing (PSG, Bayern, possibly Man Utd, although the wages might be a stumbling block)

The only way he comes to us is at the end of the TW window, where Real have to cut their losses and pay up 75% of his wages

Btw, personally I think Bale would not mind one bit coming back to us, as long as he was still getting his £600k p/w
Bale wont go to any other country except England. In all his years in Spain his Spanish is very poor, one of the reasons the fans hate him. He wont put himself through that again in a non English speaking country.
The USA i out at the moment as they wouldnt pay the money he want,o that leaves England only.
Chelsea are barred from buying him
Arsenal cant afford him
City dont need him neither do Liverpool
so that leave us or United.
Real will have to fund at least half of his wages for the term of the loan be it one year or two so he will have to come to one of us or rot in the Real reserve team training with their juniors.
 

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Where do they get this stuff from, especially the closing part. Global club? Guess who's playing in the biggest game in club football next month!

Europa League Man Utd with their out of depth manager? :facepalm:

Assuming it's come from the agents that seems a pretty stupid thing to do, potentially closing off a potential escape route. Does make you wonder if some creative licence has been taken there...

I have a feeling he might be playing for Real Madrid Castilla next season if he is adamant about staying.
Only Liverpool apparently
 

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To circumvent the issue of paying Bale high wages, which might result in a lot of disgruntled players at the club, Levy might negotiate with RM for them to pay the bulk of his wages but then offer a higher loan fee.

On the other hand, knowing that RM are desperate to remove the player from their books, Levy might then change goalposts (just about the time when the TW is to be closed) and renegotiate an offer where the wages and loan fee are lowered further (than what RM wants). 😁
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I can't see this happening and I am not sure I want to see Bale back. He is turning 30, is plagued with injuries and is now carrying a fairly sizeable ego. None of this suggests a Poch player. Is he really going to work his socks off on the pitch and not expect diva treatment? Can he physically deal with the demands of Poch's high intensity approach? Plus Pochettino is talking about the next phase of a project, the next 5 year plan. I think this window provides the perfect opportunity to buy really top talent that can improve the club over the next few years. Do we really want to use up a sizeable share of the available pot on a very short term fix like Bale?
 
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Please can people stop saying Bale is always injured. The guy was available for selection like 80%+ this season. Understand his age but the injury side is just RM fans making it seem like he is always injured.

Would love Bale back here and certainly to replace lamela who literally is never fit. He can change a game in an instant and is an idol to Tottenham fans
 

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I think he'll end up at a 'big club' that are looking to make a statement signing (PSG, Bayern, possibly Man Utd, although the wages might be a stumbling block)

The only way he comes to us is at the end of the TW window, where Real have to cut their losses and pay up 75% of his wages

Btw, personally I think Bale would not mind one bit coming back to us, as long as he was still getting his £600k p/w
Such as a Champions League finalist with a brand new stadium, who have spent no money in last two TWs AND whose manager has very recently said that the club's plan has to change? Wonder who that might be then! :):)
 

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Massive split it seems on Bale pretty much everywhere i've looked.

Regardless of my personal views, i just can't see it happening - for financial reasons alone. Unless we could strike a heavily subsidised deal for him (which with RM could be possible if they really don't want him at all) then it's just not what we're going to spend our money on at the end of the day.

Statement of intent? Yes. Would he add something to our squad (any squad)? Yes. Financially viable for us without concessions? No.
 

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I just don't think it's a good move. But if Poch wanted him that would give me confidence for sure, but I'm guessing Poch won't want him for the money it would take and let's be honest we all loved Bale when he was here but he comes across a bit 'precious' doesn't he?

Would Poch want that affecting our togetherness?

Maybe I've got that well wrong but I wouldn't risk it. Rather sign the Ajax fella instead, who has the quality coupled with an amazing work ethic.
 

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If he’s cheap, fits into the managers plans and wouldn’t upset the ecosystem in the dressing room, why would we not want a genuine world class star with a great work ethic, a leader on the pitch and an existing relationship with the club?
 

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If he’s cheap, fits into the managers plans and wouldn’t upset the ecosystem in the dressing room, why would we not want a genuine world class star with a great work ethic, a leader on the pitch and an existing relationship with the club?
Thats the thing, all these people saying no way should we pay him his wages or pay a ton of money for him... No shit sherlock, we are only going to do it if the deal is affordable. If its affordable why the fuck would you not want Gareth Bale?!
 

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Please can people stop saying Bale is always injured. The guy was available for selection like 80%+ this season. Understand his age but the injury side is just RM fans making it seem like he is always injured.

Would love Bale back here and certainly to replace lamela who literally is never fit. He can change a game in an instant and is an idol to Tottenham fans
Let’s be real. He is injured a lot.

Remember being matched up against Real Madrid in the Champions League and everyone wondering if Bale would celebrate if he scored against us? Didn’t happen though did it?

Because he was injured...both times we played them...over the span of months.
 

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Let’s be real. He is injured a lot.

Remember being matched up against Real Madrid in the Champions League and everyone wondering if Bale would celebrate if he scored against us? Didn’t happen though did it?

Because he was injured...both times we played them...over the span of months.
Now you're just protesting too much Sweech

You're desperate for the Welsh wizard to sign (y)

;)
 

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Okay, so Gareth Bale (following on from my other post in today's ITK thread).

Firstly there’s the contractual situation. It’s widely known that Spurs have an option on Bale which states that we have 72 hours to match any offer Real Madrid receives (and accepts) for him. In that case, it implies they’d be obliged to sell him to Spurs instead (whether he’d be obliged to come is a moot point of law). This clause only applies to offers from PL clubs.

Now, reputedly, that clause expires in June 2019, or in 6-7 weeks’ time. However, that’s the 6th anniversary of us selling him on the (original) 6 year contract. His RM contract was subsequently improved and extended (see below). It’s possible the small print says our buy-back option would also extend beyond June 2019 in that case.

However, that’s all legal stuff. The general situation is at least as important. Bale is still potentially a great footballer. Anybody who’s unhappy at work struggles to perform consistently to a high level. He’s underappreciated by the fans, the Spanish media and Zidane. He should have left a year ago. The decisive goals in yet another CL final really were the playing moment to say farewell.

But he has a highly lucrative contract until 30th June 2022, paying him the euro equivalent of £600k a week (before tax) with a 1 billion Euros buy-out clause (LOL). He signed the contract. So did RM. Why should Gareth now tear it up? Would you? As an aside, he has lucrative sponsorship deals with Adidas, EA Sports and Lucozade that may well also be linked to him remaining a RM player.

What Madrid forgot (like Man Utd with Sanchez) is basic accounting; that a player is an ‘asset’ in your books, UNTIL they become a ‘liability’. Sign a huge contract and you can’t sell them for a profit. Instead, you have to subsidise their disposal at a loss.

So there is a stand-off between Madrid and Bale with Daniel Levy lurking in the wings. Netflix should produce the box set. High stakes poker and soap opera combined. Nobody, but nobody, is simply going to bale Madrid out (pun intended). They’re on the hook for another Euros 110 million or so of Bale’s wages from 2019 to 2022. Madrid buying his contract out (paying him to go) is a very expensive option. So they’d much rather bully him out (media and manager comments, threatening him with training with the reserves, etc.).

Of course, Jonathan Barnett (his agent) says Bale wants to see out his contract. That’s just sensible employee-law posturing. Of course, the Madrid PR machine is successfully portraying Bale as ‘difficult’. Fans are picking up of this and claiming he has an ego and is entitled and only interested in money. In fact, all Bale wants is a way out that doesn’t let Madrid off the financial hook. The nastier they are, the more his stance is going to harden (but as will his desperation to leave).

Gareth and his agent have been told in no uncertain terms to find another club (that he wants to go to). That’s easier said than done. But then it would be a question of haggling who takes what share of the financial pain (Madrid subsidising a deal, Gareth taking a cut, the new club paying the balance). The question is which club would have him and where would he want to go?

Barcelona? Er, no. Juventus? Ronaldo. Bayern? Maybe. PSG? Maybe. But I really doubt Gareth wants to build a new life for his family in another European country (and language) anyway.

So I think it’s the PL. And that means one of maybe 7 clubs (if we include Everton, with cash to spend). Arsenal? Chelsea? I think he’s had enough fan hate for one lifetime. He knows it wouldn’t be classy to sign for another London club. And Arsenal’s not a happy place. Chelsea has a transfer ban.

City, Liverpool, United? All possible, perhaps. I suspect United would want him most but they’re the least attractive of the three (a rich but unhappy club in the Europa League). Does he want to go up north? Probably not a deal breaker for him but would it be his preference?

And then there’s one known quantity. London. The club with first option on his services should he leave Madrid. The club that’s made massive strides since he left. The club where he was adored and enjoyed many of his best moments.

All the above is a combo of a little ITK and a lot of informed supposition. What I don’t pretend to know is how it will actually play out from here.

But I think I know where Gareth would prefer to go IF he’s wanted. And the man who makes that call is Pochettino. Rightly, people are concerned about dressing room morale. About an injury-prone player. About ‘taking back’ somebody who ‘jilted us’. All valid viewpoints. But all irrelevant if our manager looks Gareth in the eyes and decides he’s worth the risk.

Then it comes down to the haggling. The man who makes that call is Levy. He’d undoubtedly be looking for Madrid (in particular) and Bale (to an extent) to bear the brunt of the pain. Bale must know he can’t leave Madrid and earn his full contract. But he’ll want them to pony up plenty into whatever happens. The “loan deal” reported in the Sun is the most likely way around the impasse, though not at the figures the Sun mentioned. Tabloids don’t appreciate the nuances of accountancy and taxation on what’s called a fee and what’s labelled wages, and what’s paid in Spain and what’s paid elsewhere.

Forget the smoke and mirrors. Initially, it’s all about a 3-way split of £600k per week; what pay cut would the player accept and then how much RM and the other club pay each. The question is will our chairman be prepared to shell out what’s left of Bale’s annual wages after RM and the player have reached a compromise. Could an option-to-buy at the end of a loan be worked out? I think the situation is tailor-made for a Levy-special IF Poch actually wants Bale.

In the end, this is a situation we as Spurs fans think we’ve seen enough times before. A big name gets mentioned. Fans argue the pros and cons. And then the player signs for someone else anyway. History and logic suggest Bale will leave Madrid only to turn up at Bayern, Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge. But this time it wouldn’t be because he’s chosen another club. It would be because we don’t want him enough.

Personally, I hope we do.
 

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Okay, so Gareth Bale (following on from my other post in today's ITK thread).

Firstly there’s the contractual situation. It’s widely known that Spurs have an option on Bale which states that we have 72 hours to match any offer Real Madrid receives (and accepts) for him. In that case, it implies they’d be obliged to sell him to Spurs instead (whether he’d be obliged to come is a moot point of law). This clause only applies to offers from PL clubs.

Now, reputedly, that clause expires in June 2019, or in 6-7 weeks’ time. However, that’s the 6th anniversary of us selling him on the (original) 6 year contract. His RM contract was subsequently improved and extended (see below). It’s possible the small print says our buy-back option would also extend beyond June 2019 in that case.

However, that’s all legal stuff. The general situation is at least as important. Bale is still potentially a great footballer. Anybody who’s unhappy at work struggles to perform consistently to a high level. He’s underappreciated by the fans, the Spanish media and Zidane. He should have left a year ago. The decisive goals in yet another CL final really were the playing moment to say farewell.

But he has a highly lucrative contract until 30th June 2022, paying him the euro equivalent of £600k a week (before tax) with a 1 billion Euros buy-out clause (LOL). He signed the contract. So did RM. Why should Gareth now tear it up? Would you? As an aside, he has lucrative sponsorship deals with Adidas, EA Sports and Lucozade that may well also be linked to him remaining a RM player.

What Madrid forgot (like Man Utd with Sanchez) is basic accounting; that a player is an ‘asset’ in your books, UNTIL they become a ‘liability’. Sign a huge contract and you can’t sell them for a profit. Instead, you have to subsidise their disposal at a loss.

So there is a stand-off between Madrid and Bale with Daniel Levy lurking in the wings. Netflix should produce the box set. High stakes poker and soap opera combined. Nobody, but nobody, is simply going to bale Madrid out (pun intended). They’re on the hook for another Euros 110 million or so of Bale’s wages from 2019 to 2022. Madrid buying his contract out (paying him to go) is a very expensive option. So they’d much rather bully him out (media and manager comments, threatening him with training with the reserves, etc.).

Of course, Jonathan Barnett (his agent) says Bale wants to see out his contract. That’s just sensible employee-law posturing. Of course, the Madrid PR machine is successfully portraying Bale as ‘difficult’. Fans are picking up of this and claiming he has an ego and is entitled and only interested in money. In fact, all Bale wants is a way out that doesn’t let Madrid off the financial hook. The nastier they are, the more his stance is going to harden (but as will his desperation to leave).

Gareth and his agent have been told in no uncertain terms to find another club (that he wants to go to). That’s easier said than done. But then it would be a question of haggling who takes what share of the financial pain (Madrid subsidising a deal, Gareth taking a cut, the new club paying the balance). The question is which club would have him and where would he want to go?

Barcelona? Er, no. Juventus? Ronaldo. Bayern? Maybe. PSG? Maybe. But I really doubt Gareth wants to build a new life for his family in another European country (and language) anyway.

So I think it’s the PL. And that means one of maybe 7 clubs (if we include Everton, with cash to spend). Arsenal? Chelsea? I think he’s had enough fan hate for one lifetime. He knows it wouldn’t be classy to sign for another London club. And Arsenal’s not a happy place. Chelsea has a transfer ban.

City, Liverpool, United? All possible, perhaps. I suspect United would want him most but they’re the least attractive of the three (a rich but unhappy club in the Europa League). Does he want to go up north? Probably not a deal breaker for him but would it be his preference?

And then there’s one known quantity. London. The club with first option on his services should he leave Madrid. The club that’s made massive strides since he left. The club where he was adored and enjoyed many of his best moments.

All the above is a combo of a little ITK and a lot of informed supposition. What I don’t pretend to know is how it will actually play out from here.

But I think I know where Gareth would prefer to go IF he’s wanted. And the man who makes that call is Pochettino. Rightly, people are concerned about dressing room morale. About an injury-prone player. About ‘taking back’ somebody who ‘jilted us’. All valid viewpoints. But all irrelevant if our manager looks Gareth in the eyes and decides he’s worth the risk.

Then it comes down to the haggling. The man who makes that call is Levy. He’d undoubtedly be looking for Madrid (in particular) and Bale (to an extent) to bear the brunt of the pain. Bale must know he can’t leave Madrid and earn his full contract. But he’ll want them to pony up plenty into whatever happens. The “loan deal” reported in the Sun is the most likely way around the impasse, though not at the figures the Sun mentioned. Tabloids don’t appreciate the nuances of accountancy and taxation on what’s called a fee and what’s labelled wages, and what’s paid in Spain and what’s paid elsewhere.

Forget the smoke and mirrors. Initially, it’s all about a 3-way split of £600k per week; what pay cut would the player accept and then how much RM and the other club pay each. The question is will our chairman be prepared to shell out what’s left of Bale’s annual wages after RM and the player have reached a compromise. Could an option-to-buy at the end of a loan be worked out? I think the situation is tailor-made for a Levy-special IF Poch actually wants Bale.

In the end, this is a situation we as Spurs fans think we’ve seen enough times before. A big name gets mentioned. Fans argue the pros and cons. And then the player signs for someone else anyway. History and logic suggest Bale will leave Madrid only to turn up at Bayern, Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge. But this time it wouldn’t be because he’s chosen another club. It would be because we don’t want him enough.

Personally, I hope we do.
Would love to have Gareth back at the lane, also you have some serious knowledge
 

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Subject to financials I’d take Bale back in a heartbeat. Even with his injuries he’s still an outstanding player, A MATCH WINNER, and we need to remember Real consistently play him out of position, not to his strengths and treat him like shit. Even if he’s loses his frightening pace he’s still got a lethal shot on him and an eye for a killer pass... pace isn’t everything these days so given his current attributes he can easily play anywhere in a front 3 or say in Eriksen’s position behind the striker... in the latter position he wouldn’t be so reliant on his pace and should therefore reduce the risk of damaging his hamstrings etc
 
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