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fluffybunnyuk

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Hes guaranteed to do some serious damage to himself in the first few games, and spend the rest of the season out. It'd be another good excuse to laugh at man utd.
 

seppo

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Barca just bought Griezmann for 125M. They are fucking mad. I can really see Madrid sweating over the purchases Barcelona are doing in De Jong/Griez/De Ligt, they might actually try to offload Bale at any cost possible just to match Barcelona in some sort of galactico signing. Would be typical Perez. Cannot be outdone to this degree by Bartomeu. I think Mbappe or Neymar to Madrid will drag on a lot this summer.
 

ThfcLew

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A near 30 year old, with injury troubles on £300k a week is never gonna happen. Allison and VVD are mid-twenties, potentially giving their peak years at Liverpool.
We'll throw big money in the positions we're not strong in - a CM like Ndombele who again, fits the club's profile. You're deluded if you think the stadium and the final run will now allow us to sign a Bale or Griezmann.
Lucas and Son have carried us to the top game in world football - surely they've got to be considered as world class in their own right.
Osvaldo was considered a coup for Southampton at the time and the biggest player they'd signed. Poch didn't like his ego and dropped him - a bit like Kaboul & co when he first arrived at Spurs.
 

SpartanSpur

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A near 30 year old, with injury troubles on £300k a week is never gonna happen. Allison and VVD are mid-twenties, potentially giving their peak years at Liverpool.
We'll throw big money in the positions we're not strong in - a CM like Ndombele who again, fits the club's profile. You're deluded if you think the stadium and the final run will now allow us to sign a Bale or Griezmann.
Lucas and Son have carried us to the top game in world football - surely they've got to be considered as world class in their own right.
Osvaldo was considered a coup for Southampton at the time and the biggest player they'd signed. Poch didn't like his ego and dropped him - a bit like Kaboul & co when he first arrived at Spurs.

I agree the primary focus and budget allocation should be on key areas like CM and FB. Ndombele is my most wanted target too.

That said no one here is advocating spending £70m+ plus on Bale and insane wages. We are talking about an opportunistic loan deal with a contribution around what we pay Harry Kane. On normal terms of course we'd never get near him!

It could actually be a creative way of bolstering our attack whilst focusing on those weak areas. Attack could then be addressed with a permanent signing the following summer. I genuinely think we need another class attacker to bridge the goals scored gap to City/Pool.

I'll say again we are at a unique juncture whereby our rapid increase in turnover has eclipsed our wage growth. If there's a time we could afford a one-off cost like this it's now, before our wage bill growth catches up.

I don't get the Osvaldo comparison at all. By all accounts Bale is a quiet lad that gets on with his job. Prefers golf to a booze up. Don't get this ego comment at all that seems to be coming up. I wonder if some can't forgive him for leaving still.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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I’d never say Bale was an ego player, but those wage demands just don’t seem realistic for us. This is just another Bale to Tottenham pipe dream that gets trotted out every window
 

THFCSPURS19

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Could Poch manage a 'Superstar' like Bale? It didn't work when he signed Osvaldo for Southampton. It also moves Son or Lucas down the pecking order, which would be unfair after the season they've given us. He'll be at PSG, United or Real again. Our project requires young, hungry players with potential sell-on value.
Haha did you just compare Osvaldo to Bale?
 

Sweech

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I'd love to know what Harry Kane would think. I'd imagine he'd want to play alongside the best players possible to achieve his goals. I doubt he'd be more concerned about what Real Madrid are paying him than that.

If Bale is on loan then there 100% is nuance. I'd only advocate getting Bale in on loan on similar contrubution to Harry at most. I think that could be justified to any players asking for handouts. There's a hierarchy at each club and I think Bale and Kane at the top would be accepted by the vast majority of players.

The Toby dispute happened because of what Liverpool are paying Van Dijk, it doesn't matter what we pay, greedy agents will find a way if that's their goal. Our whole squad pretty much knows they could get more elsewhere and yet here we are in the top 4 again and looking forward to CL final. By your argument they should all be sulking that they are underpaid compared to peers at other top 6 clubs.

Call me naive but the whole point of this stadium is to be more competitive than before, mainly through increased turnover to support increased wages. We are entering a new reality, maybe we need to change how we think about these things (paying higher fees and wages in general rather than this unique situation). We need to start thinking like a club that has a revenue in the top 10 in Europe, not the finanically concious club building a new stadium. It's pretty much what Poch is asking for!

I'm certainly being optimistic but you are also guilty of oversimplification too IMHO.
I agree with just about everything you say here.

The only discrepancy I see is paying him what Kane makes. If that were the case I’d absolutely be all for it. The problem I see is that Real aren’t trying to get rid of Bale like he’s a bad influence - they’re trying to get rid of Bale to free up money. Despite the fact that their brand is chucking loads of money everywhere many connected to the situation have said Real don’t have as much money to spend without moving players like Bale and his wages on. I can’t see them being fine with eating 2/3 of his salary because that simply doesn’t accomplish what they’re aiming to do.

To me whoever takes on Bale is taking on the majority of his salary. That’s why I think it’s very likely he’ll be off to United.
 

Sweech

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Barca just bought Griezmann for 125M. They are fucking mad. I can really see Madrid sweating over the purchases Barcelona are doing in De Jong/Griez/De Ligt, they might actually try to offload Bale at any cost possible just to match Barcelona in some sort of galactico signing. Would be typical Perez. Cannot be outdone to this degree by Bartomeu. I think Mbappe or Neymar to Madrid will drag on a lot this summer.
I think Griezmann is possibly the most overrated player in world football.
 

SpartanSpur

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I agree with just about everything you say here.

The only discrepancy I see is paying him what Kane makes. If that were the case I’d absolutely be all for it. The problem I see is that Real aren’t trying to get rid of Bale like he’s a bad influence - they’re trying to get rid of Bale to free up money. Despite the fact that their brand is chucking loads of money everywhere many connected to the situation have said Real don’t have as much money to spend without moving players like Bale and his wages on. I can’t see them being fine with eating 2/3 of his salary because that simply doesn’t accomplish what they’re aiming to do.

To me whoever takes on Bale is taking on the majority of his salary. That’s why I think it’s very likely he’ll be off to United.

Yeah I can see that with Utd, just depends on if they want to change tact (early links to Dan James suggest this could be the case). Coutinho could be offered to them too if not. Maybe a p/ex with Pogba.

PSG I guess could get involved but after that I'm struggling to see any other takers due to the high wages and injury record.

Maybe they could luck out with China but would he agree to go there?

I really think they might have to accept a loan in which case we might be in with a shot. It's still ~£20m off the wage bill for a player zidane won't use. Have a feeling it's Utd or bust for RM on this front.

Real could be in big trouble. Letting their squad age so much makes it hard to see where they can raise significant funds for a real overhaul.
 

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Bale specifically aside

I hate the argument "what about Son, Moura, Erikson". The fact is if we want to compete we need top quality players to rotate and bring off the bench.

For the last month our only attacking option off the bench has been Llorente whilst Erikson has been run into the ground

Man city bring a Sane or Jesus off the bench...........Not saying we can have a full bench like them if one or two of Erikson,Moura, Alli, Son, Bale, Lamela etc were on the bench each match it gives up so many options
 

SpartanSpur

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/gareth-bale-snub-potential-tottenham-15835015

Gareth Bale will snub potential Tottenham transfer as Welshman sits tight at Real Madrid

Where do they get this stuff from, especially the closing part. Global club? Guess who's playing in the biggest game in club football next month!

Europa League Man Utd with their out of depth manager? :facepalm:

Assuming it's come from the agents that seems a pretty stupid thing to do, potentially closing off a potential escape route. Does make you wonder if some creative licence has been taken there...

I have a feeling he might be playing for Real Madrid Castilla next season if he is adamant about staying.
 

chinaman

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If Poch wants him, let Levy negotiate for more favourable terms. If nobody else comes in for him, it may be achievable with a 200,000 pounds a week wages and a 7 to 8 million loan fee.
 

glospur

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Could Poch manage a 'Superstar' like Bale? It didn't work when he signed Osvaldo for Southampton. It also moves Son or Lucas down the pecking order, which would be unfair after the season they've given us. He'll be at PSG, United or Real again. Our project requires young, hungry players with potential sell-on value.
I don't think this transfer will happen, but I think that last sentence is now outdated. Pochettino has said in the last week that the project is different now. A chapter is closed, and we have to move into a new one where we're not only a big club who'd regularly in the CL, with the best stadium in the world, but we actually act like it as well.
 

SpursSince1980

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You honestly think Levy is going to pay £300k a week with a £10m loan fee for a very injury prone 29 year old?

Never gonna happen...

I'm sure you're right. But I wonder how the bean-counters do the math on an investment like this...? For example, let's say we pay the equivalent of approx. $20M for one season for Bale. How much money would the club make in return from him being in the team... shirt sales, etc, etc, etc. Does his presence alone pay for the cost of having him? Is it less? More? Lord knows with all the data scientists involved in sports these days, they must have profit/loss forecasts projected for all of these types of deals. Like, at what point do they break even? When does it become a diminishing return? Is it actually a smoking deal, that ends up with us making more than the overall outlet?

I'm dyslexic... so I have a snowballs chance in hell of being able to answer a question like that!!! Just genuinely curious.
 

Sweech

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I'm sure you're right. But I wonder how the bean-counters do the math on an investment like this...? For example, let's say we pay the equivalent of approx. $20M for one season for Bale. How much money would the club make in return from him being in the team... shirt sales, etc, etc, etc. Does his presence alone pay for the cost of having him? Is it less? More? Lord knows with all the data scientists involved in sports these days, they must have profit/loss forecasts projected for all of these types of deals. Like, at what point do they break even? When does it become a diminishing return? Is it actually a smoking deal, that ends up with us making more than the overall outlet?

I'm dyslexic... so I have a snowballs chance in hell of being able to answer a question like that!!! Just genuinely curious.
Things like “shirt sales” is a long dead and tired revenue idea.

We don’t make money off extra shirt sales as we’ve already made the money. That’s how the shirt contracts work. Nike have already pre-paid us the money and they essentially earn whatever goes over that amount - not us.

And I’m not having a go at you it just really gets on my nut. It was essentially born out of a quote from Real Madrid on how they could continually make their finances work with these huge transfer fees and wages and so “shirt sales” was the claim which everyone ate up and continue to parrot to this day. When in actuality they were siphoning money off of the Spanish government and its people. Which no one ever seems to want to address and still continue to parrot the clear falsehood instead.
 
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SpursSince1980

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Things like “shirt sales” is a long dead and tired revenue idea.

We don’t make money off extra shirt sales as we’ve already made the money. That’s how the shirt contracts work. Nike have already pre-paid us the money and they essentially earn whatever goes over that amount - not us.

And I’m not having a go at you it just really gets on my nut. It was essentially born out of a quote from Real Madrid on how they could continually make their finances work with these huge transfer fees and wages and so “shirt sales” was the claim which everyone ate up and continue to parrot to this day. When in actuality they were siphoning money off of the Spanish government and its people. Which no one ever seems to want to address and still continue to parrot the clear falsehood instead.
Well allow me to relieve you irksomeness, by reminding you to reread what i said... Shirt sales followed by a lot of etc etc etc. The etcs being all the other potential sources of financial remediation that could come out of a deal such as this.

That said, my apologies for propagating a fallacy. Twas not my intent. Buddies? ?
 

Sweech

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Well allow me to relieve you irksomeness, by reminding you to reread what i said... Shirt sales followed by a lot of etc etc etc. The etcs being all the other potential sources of financial remediation that could come out of a deal such as this.

That said, my apologies for propagating a fallacy. Twas not my intent. Buddies? ?
Football fwiends.
 

ardiles

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To circumvent the issue of paying Bale high wages, which might result in a lot of disgruntled players at the club, Levy might negotiate with RM for them to pay the bulk of his wages but then offer a higher loan fee.

On the other hand, knowing that RM are desperate to remove the player from their books, Levy might then change goalposts (just about the time when the TW is to be closed) and renegotiate an offer where the wages and loan fee are lowered further (than what RM wants). ?
 
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