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Gallas: how much longer Andre?

spud

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This comment isn't just about yesterday, but that game does provide a couple of excellent examples of my point. As I see it our main problem is that we can't defend. We can't defend leads, we can't keep clean sheets, we always concede. There are always numerous reasons for this, but one stands out: our back four is uncertain. When there is uncertainty, there is doubt and hesitation, and that hesitation is leading to us conceding.

There is one clear reason for our uncertainty, and it can be summed up in two words: William Gallas. We are trying to play with a high defensive line, but that tactic is undermined time and time again by Gallas retreating behind his fellow defenders and playing the opposition onside. The second and fourth goals were a direct consequence of this yesterday, and both were crucial. We were relatively comfortable at 1-1 with five minutes of the first half left. They had the ball in the centre and the defence was lined up on the edge of our box; except Gallas, who was one yard behind them and goal-side of Podolski. He shouldn't have been deeper than the others, and all he had to do was to take one step forward and Podolski would have been offside. He didn't, Podolski got the ball, half-turned and scored. 2-1, and then quickly 3-1, is an entirely different story from 1-1, especially yesterday.

Similarly with the fourth goal - again scored at a crucial time when we had looked comfortable for the first fifteen minutes of the second half. In a three-man defence, the side men take their position from the central defender. But again Gallas didn't. He dropped a couple of yards behind Dawson and Vertonghen, playing Wilshere onside. He crossed and the retreating defence couldn't stop Cozorla.

This happens on numerous occasions and it is undermining our defending. It is probably no coincidence that Walker is a shadow of last season's player now that he is alongside Gallas. The rest of our back four can't simply concentrate on their own jobs because they don't know what Gallas will do. That uncertainty continually leads to errors, which lead to goals. I am afraid that this will continue as long as Gallas is in the team. He has to be dropped. A back four consisting of three young players in Walker, Naughton and Caulker is far from ideal, but we simply can't wait for BAE and Kaboom to get fit to make this change. It's hurting us too badly.

So come on Andre, make the change. Drop Gallas and get some certainty in our defending.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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Agree on dropping Gallas, seems like this is part of AVB's Chelski hangover, he doesn't want to upset "senior" players. Hopefully the switch to Lloris is permanent and when Caulker is back he can drop Gallas, although like you I'd have Dawson ahead of him immediately.

Small disagreement on the second goal though, down to Huddlestone's pathetic attempt at a challenge on the edge of the box. If I was as big as him and tackled like a 5 year old girl I'd be seriously embarrassed.
 

TheGreenLily

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The reason, I believe AVB is sticking with elder players to make sure what happened at Chelsea doesn't happen again, he doesn't want a player revolt from the senior players. So he is bring the younger players through more slowly than probably what he would like too. Until the January window comes and maybe the summer one, I think the senior players will have part to play.

With Spurs, like he did at Chelsea he wants to bring the younger players through to the squad, but he stated he will do it slower this time.
 

cozzo

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People seem to forget that we are supposed to defend as a team, but every week one player gets singled out. Guilt by association. Doesn't it tell you something about the other players, when its just left to Gallas week in week out?
 

Bus-Conductor

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Agree on dropping Gallas, seems like this is part of AVB's Chelski hangover, he doesn't want to upset "senior" players. Hopefully the switch to Lloris is permanent and when Caulker is back he can drop Gallas, although like you I'd have Dawson ahead of him immediately.

Small disagreement on the second goal though, down to Huddlestone's pathetic attempt at a challenge on the edge of the box. If I was as big as him and tackled like a 5 year old girl I'd be seriously embarrassed.
The reason, I believe AVB is sticking with elder players to make sure what happened at Chelsea doesn't happen again, he doesn't want a player revolt from the senior players. So he is bring the younger players through more slowly than probably what he would like too. Until the January window comes and maybe the summer one, I think the senior players will have part to play.

With Spurs, like he did at Chelsea he wants to bring the younger players through to the squad, but he stated he will do it slower this time.


Surely picking Dawson from the start would be the more logical choice of that were the case. The most popular man at the club, club captain, almost certainly more able to carry along the other players with him onside than Gallas ?

Let's ignore the fact that Gallas was also being picked by Redknapp ahead of Dawson shall we.

There's no fucking conspiracy in this selection you (all of you) muppets. Gallas is just a better option than Dawson. Even yesterday you saw Dawson make a big error of judgement that cost a goal and your still calling for him to be re-instated.

The reason we aren't playing well is that we have one decent striker and he's only started twice, a few of our best players are injured, we have two lazy and reasonably unintelligent wingers, a big fat non metronome waddling around the midfield, no fucking left back, a tubby line hugging keeper most of the season, and a slow, stupid centre back with minimal leadership qualities and a penchant for humping it long to our 2 foot tall striker will not solve these problems.

Gallas is not at the peak of his game, he will be replaced by Kaboul when he recovers his fitness I'm sure, but he is a fucking long way from being the reason we aren't winning games or playing well, in fact he's been the reason we have won a couple.
 

DFF

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The reason we aren't playing well is that we have one decent striker and he's only started twice, a few of our best players are injured, we have two lazy and reasonably unintelligent wingers, a big fat non metronome waddling around the midfield, no fucking left back, a tubby line hugging keeper most of the season, and a slow, stupid centre back with minimal leadership qualities and a penchant for humping it long to our 2 foot tall striker will not solve these problems.

This...a million times over.
 

shaqTHFC

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Before entering the thread I thought Gallas had said "how much longer Andre" and was really worried
 

spud

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Gallas is not at the peak of his game, he will be replaced by Kaboul when he recovers his fitness I'm sure, but he is a fucking long way from being the reason we aren't winning games or playing well, in fact he's been the reason we have won a couple.
Really? This season? Which ones?
 

am_yisrael_chai

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Surely picking Dawson from the start would be the more logical choice of that were the case. The most popular man at the club, club captain, almost certainly more able to carry along the other players with him onside than Gallas ?

Let's ignore the fact that Gallas was also being picked by Redknapp ahead of Dawson shall we.

There's no fucking conspiracy in this selection you (all of you) muppets. Gallas is just a better option than Dawson. Even yesterday you saw Dawson make a big error of judgement that cost a goal and your still calling for him to be re-instated.

The reason we aren't playing well is that we have one decent striker and he's only started twice, a few of our best players are injured, we have two lazy and reasonably unintelligent wingers, a big fat non metronome waddling around the midfield, no fucking left back, a tubby line hugging keeper most of the season, and a slow, stupid centre back with minimal leadership qualities and a penchant for humping it long to our 2 foot tall striker will not solve these problems.

Gallas is not at the peak of his game, he will be replaced by Kaboul when he recovers his fitness I'm sure, but he is a fucking long way from being the reason we aren't winning games or playing well, in fact he's been the reason we have won a couple.

Chill BC, I didn't blame Gallas for anything. I actually agree with most of your assessmentof the season so far although I'd place the emphasis on injuries and poor transfers. However, Gallas like Friedel is not the future and should be phased out. I also think Gallas is potentially more troublesome in the dressing room than Daws and there is the not insignificant matter that we had accepted a bid for Daws in the summer so case of bridges burned.

If you think AVB's actions aren't in some way influenced by his experience last season then we will just have to agree to disagree. It isn't a conspiracy theory just natural human behaviour.
 

SamR

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Gallas Is worth having about for the season.
Kaboul and Vertonghen will be first choice and caulker is a great replacement or swap about with them two.
I love dawson but we should cash in if possible - funds would be useful and maybe we could try bring another kid through for next season.

His served us well though. I'd clap him in his last game for us.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Chill BC, I didn't blame Gallas for anything. I actually agree with most of your assessmentof the season so far although I'd place the emphasis on injuries and poor transfers. However, Gallas like Friedel is not the future and should be phased out. I also think Gallas is potentially more troublesome in the dressing room than Daws and there is the not insignificant matter that we had accepted a bid for Daws in the summer so case of bridges burned.

If you think AVB's actions aren't in some way influenced by his experience last season then we will just have to agree to disagree. It isn't a conspiracy theory just natural human behaviour.

Fair enough, my comments were aimed more at some of the others, particularly the ridiculous OP.

I have repeatedly said that Gallas is not the future and that when all are fit he probably won't start, certainly not as first choice. But Dawson is not the future either and is not the answer for the here and now either. I don't get why Gallas would be more trouble than Dawson (a player AVB tried to offload who would surely see AVB as a threat to his career and more likely to stir up trouble for him of the pair) in the dressing room ?

I do think that AVB has possibly ben influenced by his time at cheslea, but I don't think the Gallas/Dawson decision is part of that. As I said, Redknapp was making the same decision, for the same valid reasons.
 
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