Match Threads Fulham vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 26

[Shadydan]

I don’t know why everyone is complaining, the same situation happened to us too, don’t remember who’s the opposition but the ball was judged to have touched lucas’s arm while he was on the ground and the goal was ruled out for handball, I don’t remember so much fuss was make out from it at the time so what’s the difference now.

There was a lot of fuss made out of it, it was against Sheffield United last season post lockdown and people were moaning about the rules then like they are now.

 

[nico97531]

There was a lot of fuss made out of it, it was against Sheffield United last season post lockdown and people were moaning about the rules then like they are now.

Which is why I found it strange that everyone was saying that the rule had cost Fulham but that’s the rule for a long time, at least it’s consistent and the same for everyone. I say we are the one that was hard done by the ref last night, how on earth it’s not a penalty after Kane was clipped. I don’t see any one talking about that. I don’t see the ref being asked to give an explanation for it.

 

[hughy]

Which is why I found it strange that everyone was saying that the rule had cost Fulham but that’s the rule for a long time, at least it’s consistent and the same for everyone. I say we are the one that was hard done by the ref last night, how on earth it’s not a penalty after Kane was clipped. I don’t see any one talking about that. I don’t see the ref being asked to give an explanation for it.

I can only imagine they deemed the contact to be outside the area. Problem is they never showed a replay from the correct angle, every replay was from our half looking forward, so it was inconclusive. If they had shown a side-on replay I think there's a good chance it would have been further out of the box than we thought.

Edit: Actually I've just seen it again, and they do show a better angle and he's clearly in the box. Not sure why it wasn't given because there's clear contact on his left leg.

 

[nico97531]

I can only imagine they deemed the contact to be outside the area. Problem is they never showed a replay from the correct angle, every replay was from our half looking forward, so it was inconclusive. If they had shown a side-on replay I think there's a good chance it would have been further out of the box than we thought.

I think they showed the angle once at the beginning of the replay which I thought was pretty conclusive on the contact and even if it’s outside then it still should have been a foul but nothing was given, how is that possible, I mean like other have said if var deemed there isn’t contact then why Kane wasn’t booked for a dive. I don’t see the ref and var team being pressed for explanation, that’s the inconsistency from the ref that I found unacceptable much more than a handball rule that maybe ridiculous but is fair and consistent for everyone.
The only reason why the rules are made to be strict black and white with no interpretation was due to the incompetence from most of the refs anyway.

 

[hughy]

I think they showed the angle once at the beginning of the replay which I thought was pretty conclusive on the contact and even if it’s outside then it still should have been a foul but nothing was given, how is that possible, I mean like other have said if var deemed there isn’t contact then why Kane wasn’t booked for a dive. I don’t see the ref and var team being pressed for explanation, that’s the inconsistency from the ref that I found unacceptable much more than a handball rule that maybe ridiculous but is fair and consistent for everyone.
The only reason why the rules are made to be strict black and white with no interpretation was due to the incompetence from most of the refs anyway.

I edited my post because I re-watched and agree that there is contact and its inside the box.

However a VAR review can't give a free-kick or a yellow card, hence why we weren't given a free-kick (if it was deemed outside the box) or Kane booked for diving (if it was deemed a dive, which is clearly wasnt).

 

[TheChosenOne]

I too have just seen the VAR decision. While I agree that there is nothing Lemina could have done to avoid the ball hitting his arm and that the decision was taken to the letter of the law, I just want to play devil's advocate a little, and rationalise in my mind. I shall give my (biased) opinion that after the ball struck Lemina's arm it bounced in the direction of fellow Fulham player Maja favourably enough to help him score. Who can determine whether Lemina's arm "helped" the ball move in that direction, whether accidentally or with any degree of intent? Similarly, who can determine whether the ball would have bounced so favourably had Lemina's arm not been in that position and the ball carried on to strike his hip/side? Far easier to call the rule and say it was handball. Thanks ref! Good decision! I'm sleeping well tonight.

I'm happy too !
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[nico97531]

I edited my post because I re-watched and agree that there is contact and its inside the box.

However a VAR review can't give a free-kick or a yellow card, hence why we weren't given a free-kick (if it was deemed outside the box) or Kane booked for diving (if it was deemed a dive, which is clearly wasnt).

That’s my point, it’s inside the box and there is contact so why wasn’t the ref being notified of the error he made initially by the var team, if he was notified and ignored the information then that is an error every one should be raving, not a rule that is correctly upheld and is consistent for everyone.

 

[nico97531]

That’s my point, it’s inside the box and there is contact so why wasn’t the ref being notified of the error he made initially by the var team, if he was notified and ignored the information then that is an error every one should be raving, not a rule that is correctly upheld and is consistent for everyone.

Which is why all the rules should be black and white with no room for interpretation because the standard of the referees in the league is so appalling that anytime they are left to make decisions based on their interpretation, they will fk it up 9 times out of ten. It’s not ideal but that will be the best way forward until the standard of referees improves. At least this way we will have consistency which is fair in a way for everyone.

 

[Serpico]

IMO-Fulham made a formation change at half time-we struggled with it and made changes far too late to counter. By 65/70th they were confident and their momentum was strong which we needed to stifle earlier than we did. We did manage to break up some of their play once subs were made late on but other players as Kane were knackered by then. Taking both Bale and Alli off together was wrong. One of them should have come off a little earlier-lets say Lucus for Bale which would have added pace and countered their dominance of keeping the ball, playing it form the back and give Kane some support.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Which is why all the rules should be black and white with no room for interpretation because the standard of the referees in the league is so appalling that anytime they are left to make decisions based on their interpretation, they will fk it up 9 times out of ten. It’s not ideal but that will be the best way forward until the standard of referees improves. At least this way we will have consistency which is fair in a way for everyone.

one of the reasons the refs are struggling is because of VAR - it doesn't help them at all - there has to be interpetation the attempt to make it all black and white has caused the problems they now have -

 

[nico97531]

one of the reasons the refs are struggling is because of VAR - it doesn't help them at all - there has to be interpetation the attempt to make it all black and white has caused the problems they now have -

No I disagree, they are struggling because they are not very good at making sound decisions, VAR is just taking away any room for them to hide after a bad decision.

the problem with interpretation of rules will result in errors like last night by an incompetent ref. Rules with no interpretation may be ridiculous in some instance but will make sure all decision is consistent and therefore fair for everyone.

 

[RickyVilla]

I can only imagine they deemed the contact to be outside the area. Problem is they never showed a replay from the correct angle, every replay was from our half looking forward, so it was inconclusive. If they had shown a side-on replay I think there's a good chance it would have been further out of the box than we thought.

Edit: Actually I've just seen it again, and they do show a better angle and he's clearly in the box. Not sure why it wasn't given because there's clear contact on his left leg.

Because the ref was a gormless gnu.

 

[Black]

Doherty and Davies distribution chalkmap tonight

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Touch map
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Where do you get the stats from?

 

[ralphs bald spot]

No I disagree, they are struggling because they are not very good at making sound decisions, VAR is just taking away any room for them to hide after a bad decision.

the problem with interpretation of rules will result in errors like last night by an incompetent ref. Rules with no interpretation may be ridiculous in some instance but will make sure all decision is consistent and therefore fair for everyone.

but that isn't happening though the clarification of the rules are farcical look at the penalty Everton got at Liverpool its never a penalty even their goal last night thats not handball its not deliberate - last nights penalty decision I didn't think was a poor one at all ,if there was contact it was minimal and it doesn't have to be a foul - refs have no leaway at all - football is a contact sport but that is being taken out the game by ridiculous rules that have added nothing and increased the amount of cheating and going down for the slightest little touch when everyone hoped it would have been the opposite

 

[synththfc]

Remember when we were robbed by a bullshit handball rule against Sheffield Utd and within 12 hours they changed the rule?



Swings and roundabouts and all that

 

[chrissivad]

Where do you get the stats from?

Spurs app

 

[Westmorlandspur]

I'm happy too !
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Just been announced that this rule will be rescinded as of 1st June. If it is accidental handball the goal will be allowed. If the hand is in an unnatural position I’d up in the air...the goal will be disallowed.
IFAB meeting taking place today.
Official.

 

[14/04/91]

Just been announced that this rule will be rescinded as of 1st June. If it is accidental handball the goal will be allowed. If the hand is in an unnatural position I’d up in the air...the goal will be disallowed.
IFAB meeting taking place today.
Official.

Makes sense, essentially it will mirror the rule for 'defensive' handball and natural silhouette. I'm for it personally, handballs like last night & Moura's v Sheff Utd should not be penalised.

The rule-makers have tried to remove opinion, certainly in terms of this rule. Attacking handball is currently black & white. It's interesting they're now backtracking and leaving to interpretation.

But I can see it leading to more arguments; an accidental handball totally re-directing the ball to a player who scores for example.....

 

[chrissivad]

Just been announced that this rule will be rescinded as of 1st June. If it is accidental handball the goal will be allowed. If the hand is in an unnatural position I’d up in the air...the goal will be disallowed.
IFAB meeting taking place today.
Official.

I hope they state clearly what they mean as accidental, and unnatural position.

 

[Black]

Spurs app

Do you have a link?