From a horse's mouth

[thfcsteff]

Ha ha...it's tittle-tattle time...Robbo in a pub...whinging...surprise...frankly I wish he'd fucking stay there and just let Cerny play out the final few games of the season, however Ramos has to try and convince someone that this arrogant twat is worth more than a few hundred grand otherwise we will be stuck with him for a while...

 

[SpurSince57]

And why on earth would we want to let Cerny play out the last few games of the season?

 

[clint]

i like robbo.. i hope he sticks around for a season and fights for his place, and goes on to prove all the doubters wrong and becomes first choice in ramos' eyes. (although he would need to add more to his game, than just shot stopping)

he's still young for a keeper

 

[Rupstoh]

And why on earth would we want to let Cerny play out the last few games of the season?

Because he is a good goalkeeper 57?

 

[SpurSince57]

No, he isn't. Or rather, he's good enough to be an OK back-up, which is why we signed him. He had a deserved run whilst Robinson was getting his head together, on Juande's orders, but he really wasn't good enough, except on a superficial level. That's why Robbo was recalled—not because Cerny chucked the ball into his own net against Slavia, but because of several other errors, and basic inadequacies. Yes, he comes off the line and catches the ball smartly, but he has had his share of fluffs and fumbles too; I don't think he could have pulled off some of the saves Robbo has since his return, and his pathetic kicking—I really don't remember ever seeing a supposed top-class keeper so weak in this respect—should rule him out of contention full-stop. No, we don't want to see the long ball all the time, but it's a very useful weapon. If a keeper's incapable of providing the option, forget it.

God knows, Robbo's been way below par for two seasons. No-one disputes that. Since his return, however, he's made two major fuck-ups on free-kicks, and a few other errors that have gone unpunished; if you want to ascribe blame for the other 15 goals we've conceded, look to Mickey Mouse defending. Let's also remember his extra-time saves against the Chavs and the saves against PSV that left us in contention for the second leg.

If people want to engage in reasoned criticism I have no problem; I'm just appalled that so-called Spurs 'supporters' descend into abuse of a player we've done very well by. Particularly if it's based upon confused reports of what Robbo might or might not have said after a couple of beers.

I don't know about the horse's mouth; there sure are a lot of horse's arses on this forum.

 

[Disconosebleed]

What a load of crap - I am sorry, but why on earth would someone tell some blokes in a pub all that stuff??

You're right. What a fool I've been.

 

[thfcsteff]

No, he isn't. Or rather, he's good enough to be an OK back-up, which is why we signed him. He had a deserved run whilst Robinson was getting his head together, on Juande's orders, but he really wasn't good enough, except on a superficial level. That's why Robbo was recalled—not because Cerny chucked the ball into his own net against Slavia, but because of several other errors, and basic inadequacies. Yes, he comes off the line and catches the ball smartly, but he has had his share of fluffs and fumbles too; I don't think he could have pulled off some of the saves Robbo has since his return, and his pathetic kicking—I really don't remember ever seeing a supposed top-class keeper so weak in this respect—should rule him out of contention full-stop. No, we don't want to see the long ball all the time, but it's a very useful weapon. If a keeper's incapable of providing the option, forget it.

God knows, Robbo's been way below par for two seasons. No-one disputes that. Since his return, however, he's made two major fuck-ups on free-kicks, and a few other errors that have gone unpunished; if you want to ascribe blame for the other 15 goals we've conceded, look to Mickey Mouse defending. Let's also remember his extra-time saves against the Chavs and the saves against PSV that left us in contention for the second leg.

If people want to engage in reasoned criticism I have no problem; I'm just appalled that so-called Spurs 'supporters' descend into abuse of a player we've done very well by. Particularly if it's based upon confused reports of what Robbo might or might not have said after a couple of beers.

I don't know about the horse's mouth; there sure are a lot of horse's arses on this forum.

Allow me to zero in on this passage...

<<If people want to engage in reasoned criticism I have no problem; I'm just appalled that so-called Spurs 'supporters' descend into abuse of a player we've done very well by. Particularly if it's based upon confused reports of what Robbo might or might not have said after a couple of beers.

I don't know about the horse's mouth; there sure are a lot of horse's arses on this forum.>>



Of COURSE I don't want Robinson out of the shirt because of rumored words in a pub, I want him out because he is not fucking good enough!!! His performances recently have seen some SHOCKING work, really fucking lazy and poor.

You waffle on and on about how Robbo's only made two major errors for free-kicks, blah blah blah, the bottom line is he's made NUMEROUS errors of judgement, he's thrown a solid defence into virtual disarray again and his ability to inspire confidence in the team is zero. Yes, of course there's been poor defending/poor midfield possession, but the bottom line is that Paul Robinson has been fucking poor again, Paul Robinson made fundamental mistakes against Newcash, and as such, unless Ramos wanted him in the shop window, Paul Robinson needed to be dropped.

If you're insinuating that I am a horses arse, I might suggest that your role in my work is the second part of any natural 'arse-in-action' equation...

BTW, he had an 'ankle-injury' today...hmmmmm...

 

[BorisTM]

No, he isn't. Or rather, he's good enough to be an OK back-up, which is why we signed him. He had a deserved run whilst Robinson was getting his head together, on Juande's orders, but he really wasn't good enough, except on a superficial level. That's why Robbo was recalled—not because Cerny chucked the ball into his own net against Slavia, but because of several other errors, and basic inadequacies. Yes, he comes off the line and catches the ball smartly, but he has had his share of fluffs and fumbles too; I don't think he could have pulled off some of the saves Robbo has since his return, and his pathetic kicking—I really don't remember ever seeing a supposed top-class keeper so weak in this respect—should rule him out of contention full-stop. No, we don't want to see the long ball all the time, but it's a very useful weapon. If a keeper's incapable of providing the option, forget it.

God knows, Robbo's been way below par for two seasons. No-one disputes that. Since his return, however, he's made two major fuck-ups on free-kicks, and a few other errors that have gone unpunished; if you want to ascribe blame for the other 15 goals we've conceded, look to Mickey Mouse defending. Let's also remember his extra-time saves against the Chavs and the saves against PSV that left us in contention for the second leg.

If people want to engage in reasoned criticism I have no problem; I'm just appalled that so-called Spurs 'supporters' descend into abuse of a player we've done very well by. Particularly if it's based upon confused reports of what Robbo might or might not have said after a couple of beers.

I don't know about the horse's mouth; there sure are a lot of horse's arses on this forum.

Cherny's better than Robbo IMO. The only problem I have with him is that he holds the ball for way too long before he finaly kicks it, which allows the opposition to recover defensively. If Robbo was on the goal for that Blackburn free kick, that would have been a goal. I'm not really sure how Cherny got his hands on that ball that was goint into the right top away from him corner, and he did it prety comfortably too.

 

[DC_Boy]

Cerny made one bad error today - when trying to kick the ball clear -

but once again for me he looked more reliable than Robbo - he just gives me more confidence - he had absolutely no chance with the goal - but his catching, positioning, command of the area was better than Robbo's - nothing new here - but please JR get us a keeper this summer

 

[SpurSince57]

Allow me to zero in on this passage...

<<If people want to engage in reasoned criticism I have no problem; I'm just appalled that so-called Spurs 'supporters' descend into abuse of a player we've done very well by. Particularly if it's based upon confused reports of what Robbo might or might not have said after a couple of beers.

I don't know about the horse's mouth; there sure are a lot of horse's arses on this forum.>>



Of COURSE I don't want Robinson out of the shirt because of rumored words in a pub, I want him out because he is not fucking good enough!!! His performances recently have seen some SHOCKING work, really fucking lazy and poor.

You waffle on and on about how Robbo's only made two major errors for free-kicks, blah blah blah, the bottom line is he's made NUMEROUS errors of judgement, he's thrown a solid defence into virtual disarray again and his ability to inspire confidence in the team is zero. Yes, of course there's been poor defending/poor midfield possession, but the bottom line is that Paul Robinson has been fucking poor again, Paul Robinson made fundamental mistakes against Newcash, and as such, unless Ramos wanted him in the shop window, Paul Robinson needed to be dropped.

If you're insinuating that I am a horses arse, I might suggest that your role in my work is the second part of any natural 'arse-in-action' equation...

BTW, he had an 'ankle-injury' today...hmmmmm...

Not you, mate, but a couple of people just ahead of you in the thread. Sorry, I didn't make that clear and should have done.

I'm not saying he doesn't make mistakes, and too many of them, although apart from the stupidity at the free-kick how many did he make against the Barcodes—or ones that cost us? OK, I'd have liked him to have made at least an effort to get to Butt's shot, but I don't think he'd have got to it—and in any case the real fault was amateur hour defending. Neither of the others was his fault, either, and there wasn't too much he could have done about them, any more than Cerny could have done anything about Blackburn's equaliser today.

What's thrown the defence into disarray has been constant chopping and changing because of injury. Are you seriously suggesting that Dawson goes into Doze Mode or Chimbonda fucks off and hands out free headers like candy because they're worrying about Robbo? The Robbo of two years ago would have compensated for some of the defence's failings; the defence of two years ago would have compensated for his slump in form. You can't separate the two.

 

[Stoof]

The Robbo of two years ago would have compensated for some of the defence's failings; the defence of two years ago would have compensated for his slump in form. You can't separate the two.

[[Accrington Stanley - who are they?]]

EXACTLY.

 

[thfcsteff]

Not you, mate, but a couple of people just ahead of you in the thread. Sorry, I didn't make that clear and should have done.

I'm not saying he doesn't make mistakes, and too many of them, although apart from the stupidity at the free-kick how many did he make against the Barcodes—or ones that cost us? OK, I'd have liked him to have made at least an effort to get to Butt's shot, but I don't think he'd have got to it—and in any case the real fault was amateur hour defending. Neither of the others was his fault, either, and there wasn't too much he could have done about them, any more than Cerny could have done anything about Blackburn's equaliser today.

What's thrown the defence into disarray has been constant chopping and changing because of injury. Are you seriously suggesting that Dawson goes into Doze Mode or Chimbonda fucks off and hands out free headers like candy because they're worrying about Robbo? The Robbo of two years ago would have compensated for some of the defence's failings; the defence of two years ago would have compensated for his slump in form. You can't separate the two.

First of all, an apology 57. Sorry 'bout that, and thanks to yerself for clarifying mate.

In reply to your second paragraph, I absolutely agree that an inconsistent defence helps no-one's form (Daws undoubtably needs a leader next to him these days) but I also think Robbo's alarming inability to command (or exude a the attitude of commanding) his box has had a terrible knock-on effect. Of course it's also fair to say that two seasons ago he had (in Carrick) a superb 'shielding' DCM who stopped a lot of the current traffic getting close, and I do agree wiht your last sentences, the two have mutual relationship. But I still think it's time for him to go (well he will be of anyhow unless no-one takes him which won't happen) and I do think we need a real dominator with regards to the box; not saying errors won't still happen (that's goalkeeping) but hopefully with less frequency and less tentative behavior...

 

[wirE]

My God this is the biggest bs I've read. Where do you come up with such a story?
Robbo pissed cause he's been picked for England but had plans with his wife?????

 

[double0]

Stop beating about the bush... Robbo isn't good enough, during his process of decline his ruined Dawson as a defender in the process (IMO).

Cerny should be No.1 for the remaining games and Robbo IMO needs a fresh start at a new club...bring on next season.

 

[nidge]

Stop beating about the bush... Robbo isn't good enough, during his process of decline his ruined Dawson as a defender in the process (IMO).

Cerny should be No.1 for the remaining games and Robbo IMO needs a fresh start at a new club...bring on next season.

What are you going to do when our new keeper comes in and you no longer have a scapegoat for our comical defending?

Yes we need a new keeper but, if our defending continues how it has been for the last 2 seasons then I doubt that even the very best of keepers would make a big difference.

Oh and do shut up about how Robinson has ruined Dawson as a defender, that is complete horseshit and just proves you have some deep seated hatred towards Robinson

 

[N10toN17]

The defenders and the keeper are not mutually exclusive. They are a unit and together have to take the responsibility for the crap against column. Take aside that the midfield could also do better, a lot of our goals against this season have been down to individual errors at the back. What this has meant imo is that Robbo has lost confidence as the ball flies past him into the back of the net, add in his troubles for England and you're on a downward curve. The defenders are also probably looking at Robbo and thinking, oh fuck, if I make a mistake he won't bail me out and the rot has well and truly set in.

So ultimately Robbo has lost confidence in them, they've lost confidence in him and most of our defence including Robbo have lost confidence in themselves. Add in that we can barely field a consistent back line and you've a perfect recipe for cock up central.

So what do we do? We need a new centre half and a new keeper. We can't afford to keep the status quo.

 

[al_pacino]

Confidence is needed between the goalkeeper and defence but so is continuity, over the past 2 season how defensive partners has Dawson had?

 

[Rocksuperstar]

So, hands up who wants to rid ourselves of Robbo, a young, Englishman with lightening reactions on a horrible slump in form, using the projected £4-5mil to pay for the services of a new, cheaper keeper, saving a few bob to pay the wages of a goalkeeping coach? :shrug:

Why are so many people not looking at the fact we have been without a keeper coach since Wendy's arrival yet figure that, despite Robbo being very likely the only keeper in the entire premier league without a dedicated and experienced keeper coach, a midfield that appears to be just out to find a nice spot for a picnic and the magic roundabout as a defensive line, the only answer is to sell him??

YES he's f*cked up a couple of times, no-one is denying that - if they are, slap them - but as a club we have failed him as much as he's failed us. He's not been offered the support of the management, his career development and training not taken seriously and now the fans are turning on him, using him as a scapegoat to save the more easily defendable failures in the team.

Robbo is not the problem - Dawson has dropped form, Chimbonda doesn't care and i hope is one of the first out of the the door. Kaboul isn't ready, by any stretch of the imagination. That's the defence stripped of a lot of strength - midfield? Huddlestone has the consistency of a yoghurt in the desert, Teemu either injured or warming the bench, JJ slipping back to his old careless, daydreaming habits and Zokora is more hit and miss than a blind parkinsons victim, playing pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey, on a steam train.

All of these players make cock ups on a regular basis; conceding posession in dangerous places, conceding free kicks in stupid places, not paying attention, not making the effort, not closing down... i could go on forever.

grrr - i'll stop ranting anyway... Don't want Dimi to leave, or Robbo, Lennon or Dawson either really. Chimbonda can piss off, he's shown his attitude clearly, but i don't see Wendy making as many changes as we're predicting. The clubs been quite frugal with their cash and i see a more measured approach. We don't need to sell either, we have a healthy balance so Lee, Chimbonda to go, Kaboul, Boateng, O'Hara and Taarabt out on loan, bring in N'Zogbia for the left and a proven midfield general - even if he's old, i don't care - we need someone to take charge and, hopefully, a year out on loan will allow those four youngsters to develop properly, without being hassled by the concern of rotation and the pitfalls of failing in front of such fickle fans/management.

 

[we8arse]

Allow me to zero in on this passage...

<<If people want to engage in reasoned criticism I have no problem; I'm just appalled that so-called Spurs 'supporters' descend into abuse of a player we've done very well by. Particularly if it's based upon confused reports of what Robbo might or might not have said after a couple of beers.

I don't know about the horse's mouth; there sure are a lot of horse's arses on this forum.>>



Of COURSE I don't want Robinson out of the shirt because of rumored words in a pub, I want him out because he is not fucking good enough!!! His performances recently have seen some SHOCKING work, really fucking lazy and poor.

You waffle on and on about how Robbo's only made two major errors for free-kicks, blah blah blah, the bottom line is he's made NUMEROUS errors of judgement, he's thrown a solid defence into virtual disarray again and his ability to inspire confidence in the team is zero. Yes, of course there's been poor defending/poor midfield possession, but the bottom line is that Paul Robinson has been fucking poor again, Paul Robinson made fundamental mistakes against Newcash, and as such, unless Ramos wanted him in the shop window, Paul Robinson needed to be dropped.

If you're insinuating that I am a horses arse, I might suggest that your role in my work is the second part of any natural 'arse-in-action' equation...

BTW, he had an 'ankle-injury' today...hmmmmm...

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: :rofl: go on m8