Fowler: Tottenham signings on the way

[Mullers]

Agree, market is mad

One thing I'm sure of, is any money we do spend isn't going to break the bank. Our multiple years of net spend I'm sure has helped.

Does it bother me that we paid £30m for Sissoko? Yes. Should it? Not really. Not my money. Spending less doesn't benefit me, doesn't make tickets cheaper, doesn't mean we suddenly buy another player.

Our trouble is wages and that's more to do without wage structure rather than funds alone.

Everyone likes a bargain but transfers are more complex than transfer sums alone, so I think we get a little hung up over fees when actually that's Levy & Co's jobs to worry about.

If someone's going to improve the team, I'm not bothered if they cost £10, £15 or £20million. I don't see the difference from a fan's perspective.

I do care and every supporter should.
When we buy expensive flops like Sissoko it puts us back and puts us in a position where we have to sell before we buy.
If we had spent that money more wisely, we may have won something. If we were an oil rich club then it wouldn't bother me so much but we are not.

 

[Mullers]

Agree, market is mad

One thing I'm sure of, is any money we do spend isn't going to break the bank. Our multiple years of net spend I'm sure has helped.

Does it bother me that we paid £30m for Sissoko? Yes. Should it? Not really. Not my money. Spending less doesn't benefit me, doesn't make tickets cheaper, doesn't mean we suddenly buy another player.

Our trouble is wages and that's more to do without wage structure rather than funds alone.

Everyone likes a bargain but transfers are more complex than transfer sums alone, so I think we get a little hung up over fees when actually that's Levy & Co's jobs to worry about.

If someone's going to improve the team, I'm not bothered if they cost £10, £15 or £20million. I don't see the difference from a fan's perspective.

I do care and every supporter should.
When we buy expensive flops like Sissoko it puts us back and puts us in a position where we have to sell before we buy.
If we had spent that money more wisely, we may have won something. If we were an oil rich club then it wouldn't bother me so much but we are not.

 

[Khilari]

I do care and every supporter should.
When we buy expensive flops like Sissoko it puts us back and puts us in a position where we have to sell before we buy.
If we had spent that money more wisely, we may have won something. If we were an oil rich club then it wouldn't bother me so much but we are not.

Sure

But people kinda get hung up on £25m or £30m
This is what I meant
"£30m is a rip off, £15m a bargain" type talk

Really? Based on what

(Not directed at you)

 

[talkshowhost86]

Sure

But people kinda get hung up on £25m or £30m
This is what I meant
"£30m is a rip off, £15m a bargain" type talk

Really? Based on what

(Not directed at you)

Agree. People get very hung up on the prices at the moment without really understanding where the market is.

I'm not saying I do, incidentally, but when fees such as £25m are being banded about for the likes of Troy Deeney, or £40m for Sigurdsson, I think you need to take that into consideration when looking at the price of someone like King.

I'm sure the same people were all for the relatively cut-price deals like N'Koudou and N'Jie, but look where that got us?

Yes the Sissoko transfer was a disaster, but the market has gone up since then (ludicrously) so any move for someone like King can't be judged on that transfer.

I think King would be a useful addition to the squad. I'll leave Levy and co to decide what that means for his value and how that compares against other available options.

 

[Mullers]

Sure

But people kinda get hung up on £25m or £30m
This is what I meant
"£30m is a rip off, £15m a bargain" type talk

Really? Based on what

(Not directed at you)

I think it's based on King having one decent season in the PL, his previous form is underwhelming, he comes here he won't be first choice, he may not even be second choice as Son scored 20 goals last season.

I look at it like this, ok spend 30 million but spend it on more proven better quality.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I think it's based on King having one decent season in the PL, his previous form is underwhelming, he comes here he won't be first choice, he may not even be second choice as Son scored 20 goals last season.

I look at it like this, ok spend 30 million but spend it on more proven better quality.

The point is that £30m is unlikely to actually get you 'more proven better quality'.

 

[Mullers]

I don't agree. VY, Verts, Lloris, Son cost no where near 30 million.

 

[Khilari]

I think what @Mullers is saying is that if you're going to spend £30m, then make sure what you're spending it on is actually someone who's going to make a positive difference - is that right?

I'd just say however that today's £30m is 2012's £15m. It doesn't mean anything. The fact that Sissoko cost £30m just means that Mane was a bargain, as well as Sissoko being overpriced.

I'm being facetious, but my point is that the actual number can't be equated to quality. It's also to do with what other numbers are being bandied about, how badly the buying club wants and how reluctant the selling club is to sell.

Dele Alli only became a bargain because he massively overachieved given initial expectations. Until then £5m was a big sum to play for a League 1 teenager. Like Gareth Bale was a £10m gamble that paid off.

If Sissoko had scored 10 goals and gotten 10 assists would that have made £30m worth it? Just right? Still overpriced because he should have assisted at least 15 given Eriksen was only £10m?

Numbers.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I don't agree. VY, Verts, Lloris, Son cost no where near 30 million.

True.

Irrelevant.

But true.

Not even close to the same market.

 

[Mullers]

True.

Irrelevant.

But true.

Not even close to the same market.

No not irrelevant, prices have gone up but the PL market has always been disproportionately high, that's why we have the model that we do and that's why we have to keep applying it.

 

[Mullers]

I think what @Mullers is saying is that if you're going to spend £30m, then make sure what you're spending it on is actually someone who's going to make a positive difference - is that right?

I'd just say however that today's £30m is 2012's £15m. It doesn't mean anything. The fact that Sissoko cost £30m just means that Mane was a bargain, as well as Sissoko being overpriced.

I'm being facetious, but my point is that the actual number can't be equated to quality. It's also to do with what other numbers are being bandied about, how badly the buying club wants and how reluctant the selling club is to sell.

Dele Alli only became a bargain because he massively overachieved given initial expectations. Until then £5m was a big sum to play for a League 1 teenager. Like Gareth Bale was a £10m gamble that paid off.

If Sissoko had scored 10 goals and gotten 10 assists would that have made £30m worth it? Just right? Still overpriced because he should have assisted at least 15 given Eriksen was only £10m?

Numbers.

Yes that's right and I agree in part about today's 30 million being the new 15 million but we can't afford to see it that way. Sissoko was an out of ordinary signing which smacked of desperation. If he had scored 10 and made 10, Poch stil might have decided to sell him but at least the fee would be closer ti what we bought him for. If we get 10 million for him now, we'd be lucky.