Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Gilzean at the near post]

He's not wrong though. Fans have been calling out Dier & Hojbjerg for years. Fuck all has been done about them and that's on Levy.

To be fair, Conte has continued to play them when in a failing system alternatives were available

 

[djhotspur]

Down to tactics, formation and player selection and thats on the manager!

Lol yet sheff United played the same formation and tactics… but you ignore that.

 

[yido_number1]

Poch wasn't wrong this is a painful fucking rebuild

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Is the football terrible? Yes

Do I want him gone? Yes but it will change fuck all

Is everything he said on the money? Yes

Will we be in the same position in 18 months with a different manager? Yes

ABSOLUTE SHAMBLES OF A CLUB!!!!

I've put the feelers out re what's just happened and will report back if I hear anything.

Hits the nail on the head.

I hate his comments today, and fully believe he should be sacked tonight because of them, but he’s been the wrong man for the job. And that has always laid at Levy’s doorstep.

 

[JSpurs1]

If the rest of our back 3 had half the ability and passion of Cuti we wouldn't be in this situation. He is elite clearly and if we don't improve we will lose him and then watch him go on to win shit loads ala Modric

Bit off topic but think you’re going a bit early on the elite shout. When he plays well, he looks brilliant but he’s a walking yellow card which blunts his best qualities. Elite defenders don’t get 10 yellows a season. Cuti has the same number of cards in the PL as VVD and played 41 games (vs 218 for VVD).

 

[VancouverSpur]

Been traveling so just watched the game and Conte’s comments. There is so much to it all but also oddly it is very very simple. Growing up and watching Tottenham through the 80’s and 90‘s there was a DNA to the club an ethos of flair and passion and style. Sure it meant I sat through my fair share of poor results but in my heart I knew why I was doing it and what the club meant to me. . If you asked me to describe who and what Tottenham were all about it was easy.

The past 20 odd years of Levy in charge has seen this slowly erode to become what we are today. Sure he runs the business side well but his complete ineptitude on the football side of the business has infected every cell and pore of this club to the point that we are a mirror image of that ineptitude on the pitch. I find myself so numb and apathetic to it all which is more upsetting than anything. Something I love deeply and has been such a big part of my life since the age of 3 has become essentially a black hole of emotion.

Conte has said some things that make sense today and that we can all relate to. He is obviously acutely aware of much that goes on internally. That being said he is in no way blameless as if you are considered in the top 5 coaches of the world you dont serve up some of the shit we have in recent weeks.

Nothing will change while Levy and co are in charge as if things could have changed they would have by now as more than 2 decades is more than enough time. Conte will leave if not today or tomorrow then soon but until a change in ownership we will be what we are and that original Spurs DNA that I so crave will remain hidden.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

everybody knows the club is to blame for a lot of issues, even deep down Levy knows this.

but to come out after you've conceded more possession, shots, passes to the worst team in the league and attack the club like it's the history of the club's fault your system is shit is just a lack of self awareness

 

[cjsimba]

Probably the part about the club winning only one trophy in the last 20 years

But in the next line he’s saying ‘why is that? Should that really be the fault of the owner and the managers, or actually the players’

 

[stormfly]

Lots of arguing and pointing fingers at different people at the club in here. In honesty there will be no black and white answer here but when a club and fan base is this divided it will never achieve success. The only thing I’m clinging onto is things can sometimes change quickly in football.

 

[Dov67]

I genuinely dont know what Levy will do about Conte now

But I do know that it doesn’t matter even a little bit who Levy appoints to replace Conte should he sack him - ground hog day. We may as well start the new manager countdown thread on a the day Poch is reappointed if it is Poch or whoever else is mug enough to believe the BS that Levy is peddling

 

[Harrier]

I've just watched his full presser and I don't think he was having a go at the Club particulalrly at all. He's furious with the players and has been for some time and it's all come out because nothing else has worked.

I've been Conte out for some time but mainly because of the contract situation and not feeling he's bought in. Oddly enough this reaction makes me feel like he cares and paradoxically makes me want him to stay for the first time.

I'm a fucking masochist

‘Twenty years there is the owner and they never won something but why? The fault is only for the club, or for every manager that stay here. You risk to disrupt the figure of the manager and to protect the other situation in every moment.’

I’d say that was a pretty large dig at the club!

 

[soflapaul]

I would say Trix has historically been objective about Levy until this season, and often vocal about what Levy has brought to the club. I'm not trying to act like an ITK brown-nose but tbh his past comments give context and weight to what he is communicating to us now.

Everybody was in full agreement in the window that Conte NEEDED to be backed by Levy. WHY are we so surprised Conte's football isn't working now?

I"d say he is still objective about it. He recognizes the positive that Levy has done while being critical of running with a strategy that won't get Spurs to where we all want to go. And he, like many has come to the conclusion that Levy can't change enough to make it to the next level. I suspect that his appreciation and many of ours for what Levy did for the club and gave him more leeway especially as he (supposedly) backed out of the decision making process. That was a reasonable compromise. When he stepped back in, that changed many of our opinions about him. Love what he did for the club but hate that he can't get out of the potential progress the club could be making.

 

[Gbspurs]

Bit off topic but think you’re going a bit early on the elite shout. When he plays well, he looks brilliant but he’s a walking yellow card which blunts his best qualities. Elite defenders don’t get 10 yellows a season. Cuti has the same number of cards in the PL as VVD and played 41 games (vs 218 for VVD).

It is early but the the ability is there, if not the temperament. That said maybe he will just be the Pepe style of defender and needs a Ramos next to him, either way he is destined for bigger things.

 

[TOLBINY]

I've just watched his full presser and I don't think he was having a go at the Club particulalrly at all. He's furious with the players and has been for some time and it's all come out because nothing else has worked.

I've been Conte out for some time but mainly because of the contract situation and not feeling he's bought in. Oddly enough this reaction makes me feel like he cares and paradoxically makes me want him to stay for the first time.

I'm a fucking masochist

Watch his reaction when our third goal went in today and I defy anyone to say he doesn't care. There are people on SC saying he only cares about his own reputation - I don't buy it personally but even if it is true, does it really matter? Surely he is still desperate to help the team to do well because if the team does well it helps his reputation? Let's be honest winning a trophy with us would be a pretty good achievement.

 

[Russ1201]

If he is still here for the Everton game it will confirm that Levy is more interested in money than football

And we all the know the answer....

 

[DiamondLites]

The bloke is talking out of both sides of his mouth - says players are selfish and playing for themselves while he has been in brand protection mode for weeks now. Preaches commitment but won’t sign a new deal and this has been obvious for months. Says we don’t like to play under pressure but he made those subs and decided to invite the pressure on our goal, well if you knew we’d crumble then why do it?!
He is right to call out the owners, but his conduct and comments has been nothing short of disrespectful to the club, and the fans. His position has been untenable for weeks now, we should’ve mutually parted ways but now it’s getting full on toxic

 

[Dazzazzad]

The lack of self-respect in here is absolutely baffling. A club you claim to love gets dragged through the mud by someone who has embodied everything he criticizes... and he gets f***ing celebrated for it?

It doesn't matter if you agree with him or how right he is saying all these things because:

1. He has been very much part of the problem.
2. He has disrespected something that we are supposed to love through good times and bad.

And what about everything is so true?

- How can you blame the players when you are coaching them to sit back against the worst team inte league?
- How can you blame the players on the pitch when you refuse to use the guys on the bench?
- How can you criticize the players for playing for themselves when you have separated yourself from the club in every conversation since you joined?
- How can you say it's the same no matter the manager and that history has repeated itself for 20 years when we've clearly improved under Jol, Redknapp, and Porch? (They managed to get the players to play as a team, wich is one of the important aspects of your job.)
- How can you criticize the mentality of the club when you've been brought in as one of the most powerful people in the club to improve that?

Some of these or all of these would have been legit to call out if he included himself in the criticism and wasn't responsible for many of them.

We can scream at Levy and the board all we want, and we should rightfully continue to do so, but patting someone on the back and celebrating him for spitting at our club? For things he is at least partly responsible? Some serious Stockholm syndrome vibes in here tonight.

The decision makers within the club may be the main reason we can't seem to bring in any silverware, but this fanbase seriously needs to take a look in the mirror as well.

How are the players or managers ever going to pull together if we despise the club to a point where we celebrate someone hating on it this level?

Do you want to build statues of Arsenal fans who say we are shit, just because you agree? No.

Sir, golf clap. Very well said.

 

[pook]

Richarlison speaks his mind (tamely by comparison) in a pique of frustration without considering the consequences for the rest of the club and Conte calls him selfish.

 

[mickdale]

When Levy pulls off the Conte mask and it’s Chiellini underneath…….
“It’s Tottenham”…….I would have got away with it if it wasn’t for those pesky defenders

 

[Locotoro]

Bit off topic but think you’re going a bit early on the elite shout. When he plays well, he looks brilliant but he’s a walking yellow card which blunts his best qualities. Elite defenders don’t get 10 yellows a season. Cuti has the same number of cards in the PL as VVD and played 41 games (vs 218 for VVD).

Yes it's off topic but they are different types of defender.
Are we now going to say Sergio Ramos wasn't an elite CB because he got 191 cards (20 reds) in La Liga over his 20 year career?