Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[spurs mental]

Even then, Conte’s complete refusal to even look at Spence let alone give him minutes on the pitch spoke volumes about his inability to actually coach players.

Can only assume you've not seen Spence for Rennes as you'd not have said this otherwise

 

[only1waddle]

It baffles me that people say Conte
hasn’t been backed. It’s honestly crazy talk. He has been backed more so than any manager in the history of this club with player purchases and squad culling.

Since he arrived, the club have spent roughly £270m(including loan options + obligations) on transfers for him. They’ve taken huge losses on players they could’ve got better fees for E.g. Sissoko, Dele, Alderweireld, Doherty, Reguilon, Lo Celso & Ndombele albeit the last 3 are on loan as Levy/Paratici continues to be useless at actually selling players but that is beside the point as they still listened and got them out of Conte’s squad.

The only instances I can attribute to Paratici/Levy failing Conte is not signing him a top quality LCB and signing Spence when it was clear Conte didn’t want him. Even then, Conte’s complete refusal to even look at Spence let alone give him minutes on the pitch spoke volumes about his inability to actually coach players.

Yes, when we announced the “cash injection” I was expecting a considerably larger outlay but to simply say “Conte wasn’t backed, this is Levy’s fault” is wrong and agenda driven. Conte was backed enough to improve us. He’s made us much worse. That’s why he needs to go.

Agree for the most part and it's a fair post but to claim we could of got bigger fees for Dele and Sissoko is a massive stretch, Everton came in for Dele, nobody else, no top club, not even a mid table club, and I'd argue the AON doc with Jose devalued Dele in the football community as soon as it was aired.

 

[rossdapep]

Soon as west ham sack moyes and go for poch levy will bite

But doesn't that just show that it would be an appointment made for the wrong reasons?

 

[dontcallme]

The thing that keeps playing on my mind is an old Eriksen interview where he basically said that Conte wants control over everything a player does. He wants them to do exactly as he says when they have the ball and also off the ball. This was always a worry for me and I think we are seeing this with our players as they all look restricted and scared to make mistakes. Ive been a big fan of Conte and will support until he goes but I feel we are being really shackled and not getting anywhere near the best out of this team. I think we are all on a countdown until he goes and to be honest I would rather rip the plaster off now then prolong things.

It’s an interesting point. I remember reading how Jose expected players to be professional enough to keep themselves in top shape so he could focus sessions on the tactical side.

Both appear to have a negative effect on our players but that could just be them being a bit shit and not too pros.

 

[only1waddle]

I'll put it succintly;

I can accept pragmatic football if it yields results and allied with a correct ruthless attitude in reaching our goals - primarily Cup success.

If that's not happening then it's a miserable waste of everyone's time, money and effort.

Yep, It's also worth putting to bed a fallacy of Conte coming in, same as Jose and attracting top players, top players usually means a winning mentality, a ruthless mentality, the type of mentality required to play pragmatic football consistently.

 

[bubble07]

Moved to spurs mental health thread

 

[daryl]

Brilliant post!

I was there yesterday, at half term I turned to the guy next to me and we both just shrugged our shoulders. We were the better team but we weren't anything spectacular, it was a boring half of football.

I think it may have been in something like the 88th minute and we put together a nice quick passing move which led to a corner. That was my first memory of the kind of football we should be seeing and it was the 88th ******* minute! We used to see regular patterns of play week in week out and now we are lucky if we see one a game.

It's just not good enough, the football we see week in week out is terrible. We are one of if not the most boring team to watch week in week out in the Prem.

Couldn’t agree more, and fair play to you for being the first influential poster, with the balls to call this absolute dross out, apparently it’s levy’s fault, and absolutely no fault whatsoever of Contes, he’s won trophies elsewhere y’no,

 

[spurs mental]

I didn't want to start a new thread but maybe someone more literate could. I'm trying to not give a shit about spurs but I just can't as I've supported them as early as I can remember and I'm now 37

But when we lose/don't win the people that I care about and care about me seem to be walking on eggshells as I'm visibly moody.

I don't shout or get violent but I just sulk and don't say anything for hours unless I'm out am forced to interact. Obviously this affects my enjoyment on nights out. But after reflection I feel like why should I care its only a game and then I'm ok again until the next game we lose

I just wish I could follow the team but not let the outcome affect me but can't. I'm sure I'm not alone with this. My dad is also a massive fan and it affects him just as much to the point after a defeat we don't actually talk about it as we will just argue despite agreeing which is weird

But my question is have any of you been able to change your mind set to not give a shit and if you have what did you do?

Only posting here as its the most active thread but if appropriate can be moved

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This thread may be helpful, I wish it was more active tbh.

 

[Albertbarich]

Feels like we all know where this is heading but through a mixture of circumstance and a lack of balls we won't act until it's too late.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Seriously, show me where someone, anyone, has said he hasn't been backed? It's absolute nonsense that keeps coming out about people saying he hasn't been.

Sorry, I didn’t realise this was the only place Spurs fans exist. Twitter in particular is full of people saying Conte wasn’t backed. And FWIW, there are certainly people on SC who have said Levy didn’t back Conte.

 

[spurs mental]

Couldn’t agree more, and fair play to you for being the first influential poster, with the balls to call this absolute dross out, apparently it’s levy’s fault, and absolutely no fault whatsoever of Contes, he’s won trophies elsewhere y’no,

Yet again more utter nonsense. Not one single person has absolved Conte of any blame or fault. If you can show me one post I'll stand corrected.

 

[scat1620]

But my question is have any of you been able to change your mind set to not give a shit and if you have what did you do?

There's a simple trick which is both very achievable and immensely rewarding for this: stop following football. You'll be much happier on the other side.

 

[dontcallme]

I didn't want to start a new thread but maybe someone more literate could. I'm trying to not give a shit about spurs but I just can't as I've supported them as early as I can remember and I'm now 37

But when we lose/don't win the people that I care about and care about me seem to be walking on eggshells as I'm visibly moody.

I don't shout or get violent but I just sulk and don't say anything for hours unless I'm out am forced to interact. Obviously this affects my enjoyment on nights out. But after reflection I feel like why should I care its only a game and then I'm ok again until the next game we lose

I just wish I could follow the team but not let the outcome affect me but can't. I'm sure I'm not alone with this. My dad is also a massive fan and it affects him just as much to the point after a defeat we don't actually talk about it as we will just argue despite agreeing which is weird

But my question is have any of you been able to change your mind set to not give a shit and if you have what did you do?

Only posting here as its the most active thread but if appropriate can be moved

I’ve always said that since social media my football supporting feels more like an addiction than support.

Before social media I watched games and highlights and chatted about it a few times a week.

Now I am on this site everyday and talk about all manners of the game way too much.

I don’t think trying not to give a shit works. If you not care then you can’t really enjoy wins and the good times. Trying to find the balance key.

 

[dontcallme]

Couldn’t agree more, and fair play to you for being the first influential poster, with the balls to call this absolute dross out, apparently it’s levy’s fault, and absolutely no fault whatsoever of Contes, he’s won trophies elsewhere y’no,

No one has said Conte is blameless. Why do you consistently lie and misrepresent to make your point?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Sorry, I didn’t realise this was the only place Spurs fans exist. Twitter in particular is full of people saying Conte wasn’t backed.

Then argue that with the spunkbubbles and rage babies on Twitter.

 

[dontcallme]

Then argue that with the spunkbubbles and rage babies on Twitter.

I’ve never understood people referencing Twitter on here.

It’s low level, by any standards, and if you want to discuss them, do it there.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Then argue that with the spunkbubbles and rage babies on Twitter.

I’m not arguing with anybody.

 

[spurs mental]

Sorry, I didn’t realise this was the only place Spurs fans exist. Twitter in particular is full of people saying Conte wasn’t backed. And FWIW, there are certainly people on SC who have said Levy didn’t back Conte.

Well we're on this forum conversing about it so forgive me for assuming you meant on here.

Twitter is a cesspit of Spurs fans. Generally speaking it's better to not take notice of what people say about Spurs on there as they're likely only looking for the ego boost from likes and retweets.

 

[Mister Jez]

Nah he knows poch would have no interest in going there

He has already said no to the bingo club....

 

[Fidget]

Seems Pochettino is waiting for us to decide.
Seems Conte is waiting for Levy to decide.
Seems Kane is waiting for everyone to decide.
Levy is waiting just as long as everyone else is happy to wait.
I’m not happy with any of that.
I don’t think that Pochettino is the answer in the circumstances that Spurs exist-a footballing folly, that is the bottom of the pile in the business it exists in, even though the rest of the business wouldn’t exist without the football.
Conte sees the situation and has no idea what the hell is going on, like the rest of us. So why should he care when he is also ill and his family live in beautiful Italy.
Kane doesn’t want change if he sees any possibility that things here will improve. I think he now knows nothing is gonna change and will be gone, God help us.
The one person who’s gonna be happy with the whole situation, so long as we stay where we are is……….you guessed it, Mr Levy, the Archangel of rolling the business on. The man who continally lies through his teeth to managers, players and supporters alike. You know why? Because that is what a successful Business Manager does. The End justifies The Means.

I think Kane is the one who has the answer-he forces a move and we need to act. When one player has everything done for him, even down to insistence on taking free-kicks when is is crap at them and insisting on Son’s inclusion in the team, just because Son supplies him with most assists (I realise I’m probs just talking crap here), then the football is in trouble.

So both Kane and Levy need to go, so that we can move forward.
Conte is gonna go anyway.