Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[sundanceyid10]

I honestly don’t think it matters who the manager is at this point, there is no plan from the club at all it’s starts at the top. It’s honestly rinse and repeat stuff. The whole top level needs removing, Levy is a proven loser at this point over multiple managers, it’s never going to get any better under him period. All that’s happening now is more and more fans are realising it as each day passes.

 

[Mackan110]

How come Conte have won in every club hes been in but when he came to spurs he is suddenly a worthless manager ?

The problem is he got players that are so god damn bad (Dier, Davies, sessegnon, dorethy etc) and Levy won get him the players he want. If I'm correct we had ITK saying Conte didn't want Spence and still Levy spent the whole summer trying to sign him. What does this tell you? Levt do as he want.

When Conte was at Inter he got Ashely Young to look like a world class player, same with Lukaku but he can't do that at Spurs? The problem isn't Conte, it's Levy and Enic and the players we have. Yes, the way we play now is boring and you kinda get depressed by looking at it. But remember, it has worked at every other club hes been in.

Either Enic and Levy back Conte and give him the players he want or he will walk and then Levy will be happy because then he won't have to spend money because we got Ndombele, Lo celso and Rodon back...

 

[spark7586]

I just wanna see him play

Sarr/Skipp
Bentacur - Bissouma
Kulu - Kane - Son/Richie

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I’d take son out as he’s terrible and has been all season.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

2019 - Pochettino out
2021 - Mourinho out
2022 - Nuno out
2023 - Conte out

We can keep calling for the manager to go and each of those managers had a good case to be sacked but when you look at the list of managers above you will see that the problem is bigger than them.

Pochettino - 4231, possession based, high pressing, requires young players
Mourinho - 433, defensive, counter attacking, prefers experience
Nuno - who knows what the fuck he was trying to do but we were told that he would fit our "tradition of attacking football and playing young players,"
Conte - 343, requires very specific players, counter attacking, prefers experience.

It doesn't matter who the manager is. We can sack Conte tomorrow and we'll be back here in 18 months calling for the next guy to be sacked. That's the kind of club we've been for the entirety of Levy's tenure, the five years of Pochettino aside.

We don't have a plan, or a philosophy as a club and a new manager will not change that.

?️ bang on!!!!!!!!

But at least if the next manager we hire is more possession based high pressing just generally a more exciting brand of football then our fans will get behind it more and the whole atmosphere at the club would be better, Jose, Nuno, Conte’s football is NOT Tottenham Hotspur’s DNA.

But you’re so so spot on that the issue is not having a consistent plan or philosophy and it’s boring to keep saying it but it’s been the same for the last 20 years under Levy.

Hoddle -> Santini -> Jol -> Ramos -> Redknapp -> AVB -> Poch -> Jose -> Nuno -> Conte (ALL SO DIFFERENT!)

Then if you look at our player recruitment in terms of type of player, technical vs physical, homegrown vs not etc etc it’s just all complete scattergun chop and change.

That is why more than any other reason that we’ve not been successful.

Then you add to that recently that Jose, Nuno, Conte play crap football and are not likeable that all adds to the fans frustration.

Im so tired of it all tbh ? it’s like Stockholm syndrome with levy he’s just beaten us down.

At this point I just want to enjoy the football again, Conte looks a completely broken man.

I just don’t see anything changing until Levy is completely gone with absolutely zero influence on the football side and we have a set of senior people who have a good football plan who understand the club and fans and success in modern football.

Sigh.

 

[dtxspurs]

The plan is you take a 2v3 in midfield so that you outbumber them high and wide. It's why so much of our goals go through Kulu and (before he fell off a cliff) Son.

Problem is you need wingbacks that are quality. Take RWB for example, they need to support Kulu in every single attack to make our numerical advantage count, but they also need to support Romero in every single defensive phase to mitigate the midfield loss.

Our wingbacks are just simply too shit. They need to be elite at both attacking and defending, but basically all of ours are mediocre at one and shit at the other, Perisic just about the only exception. Even he is quite weak defensively.

I just looked up some stats.. We haven't had a single legitimate assist from a wingback not-named Perisic all season.

The only 2 registered assists are 1 to Emerson in the first game of the season where Salisu tripped over himself and scored an OG and Sess to Kane for his wondergoal vs. Portsmouth. Not a single legitimate assist from Doherty, Sessegnon or Royal all fucking season.

We're playing a formation with players that aren't up to it at all.

 

[Stamford]

It absolutely does matter who the manager is!

we won't win anything under any manager until we change our approach as a club. It's why we have won nothing significant for 30 years.

 

[felmani26]

The solution lies in the boardroom first and foremost before we look to the touchlines.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Kane is off to United and that is going to kill football for me.

All good things come to an end. Maybe it's time?

 

[Stamford]

?️ bang on!!!!!!!!

But at least if the next manager we hire is more possession based high pressing just generally a more exciting brand of football then our fans will get behind it more and the whole atmosphere at the club would be better, Jose, Nuno, Conte’s football is NOT Tottenham Hotspur’s DNA.

But you’re so so spot on that the issue is not having a consistent plan or philosophy and it’s boring to keep saying it but it’s been the same for the last 20 years under Levy.

Hoddle -> Santini -> Jol -> Ramos -> Redknapp -> AVB -> Poch -> Jose -> Nuno -> Conte

Then if you look at our player recruitment in terms of type of player, technical vs physical, homegrown vs not etc etc it’s just all complete scattergun chop and change.

That is why more than any other reason that we’ve not been successful.

Then you add to that recently that Jose, Nuno, Conte play crap football and are not likeable that all adds to the fans frustration.

Im so tired of it all tbh ? it’s like Stockholm syndrome with levy he’s just beaten us down.

At this point I just want to enjoy the football again, Conte looks a completely broken man.

I just don’t see anything changing until Levy is completely gone with absolutely zero influence on the football side and we have a set of senior people who have a good football plan who understand the club and fans and success in modern football.

Sigh.

tottenham DNA doesn't exist. It's marketing bollocks.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

This is Chelsea backing conte who eventually left in his second season and left the club with this amount of dross. We are not a club that can just do this, imagine us trying to shift some of these players. This is why conte was never going to be a success here and why simply ‘backing conte’ isn’t the be all end all

 

[chrisd2k]

I’m not concerned about losing Conte, but at this rate we’re losing Kane. He’s not going to sign based on this.
We have some very average players, but you can get them playing better than that.

Mate honestly he's gone after this season. Prepare now and do yourself a favour and save some possible heart break

 

[Albertbarich]

How come Conte have won in every club hes been in but when he came to spurs he is suddenly a worthless manager ?

The problem is he got players that are so god damn bad (Dier, Davies, sessegnon, dorethy etc) and Levy won get him the players he want. If I'm correct we had ITK saying Conte didn't want Spence and still Levy spent the whole summer trying to sign him. What does this tell you? Levt do as he want.

When Conte was at Inter he got Ashely Young to look like a world class player, same with Lukaku but he can't do that at Spurs? The problem isn't Conte, it's Levy and Enic and the players we have. Yes, the way we play now is boring and you kinda get depressed by looking at it. But remember, it has worked at every other club hes been in.

Either Enic and Levy back Conte and give him the players he want or he will walk and then Levy will be happy because then he won't have to spend money because we got Ndombele, Lo celso and Rodon back...

He's in a foreign country away from his family who have stayed at home and then he lost one of his team suddenly. This sort of stuff effects a man.

Blame should be attributed everywhere but he absolutely deserves some

 

[mil1lion]

We need a manager to get the most out of Lloris, Dier, Davies, Sanchez, Doherty, Emerson, Sessegnon...

 

[Sykes]

I am in no way a full conte out.

But he needs to sign a deal or go soon, the levy we know wont spend money when he doesn’t know if Antonio will stick around.

The stubbornness of us to stick with the same system when the players clearly aren’t good enough is costing us massively. He’s not an idiot but he certainly will look like one of this continues

 

[sundanceyid10]

2019 - Pochettino out
2021 - Mourinho out
2022 - Nuno out
2023 - Conte out

We can keep calling for the manager to go and each of those managers had a good case to be sacked but when you look at the list of managers above you will see that the problem is bigger than them.

Pochettino - 4231, possession based, high pressing, requires young players
Mourinho - 433, defensive, counter attacking, prefers experience
Nuno - who knows what the fuck he was trying to do but we were told that he would fit our "tradition of attacking football and playing young players,"
Conte - 343, requires very specific players, counter attacking, prefers experience.

It doesn't matter who the manager is. We can sack Conte tomorrow and we'll be back here in 18 months calling for the next guy to be sacked. That's the kind of club we've been for the entirety of Levy's tenure, the five years of Pochettino aside.

We don't have a plan, or a philosophy as a club and a new manager will not change that.

This a million times, I’ve been saying the same thing. It will not get any better under Levy. Period. No matter what manager. We have no culture of anything under Levy he is just a bean counter. His plan is is just constant plasters and bandaids to cover up his latest fuck up as chairman.

 

[ilikeost]

It doesn't matter who the manager is. Conte, poch. Prime Alex Ferguson couldn't win something with these players. I'm so sick and tired of watching these errors across multiple managers. Same players. It's boring.

It's not the same fucking players! Why are people endlessly repeating this "same players" bullshit? There are only a handful of players who are still here since Poch and the likes of Skipp and Sess barely even play for him. Or do you mean we should have gotten rid of Kane, Son and Lloris years ago? Yes, we all agree we can improve on Dier and that Davies is a back up at best, but it's not "the same players".

 

[Rout-Ledge]

It absolutely does matter who the manager is!

Amazing this needs saying. Our players aren’t that bad! It’s like there’s some sort of collective amnesia about the end of last season.

 

[Gareth88]

We need a manager to get the most out of Lloris, Dier, Davies, Sanchez, Doherty, Emerson, Sessegnon...

They don’t exist

 

[THOWIG]

Mate honestly he's gone after this season. Prepare now and do yourself a favour and save some possible heart break

Oh it’s inevitable. I’m prepared for it.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Honestly don't know where we go from here. It's a complete and utter shitshow!

Conte needs better players to be able to play the way he wants to. If he isn't going to be given those players, then he needs to leave and we can bring in a manager who can get more out of the current crop of shite. I don't want Conte to leave, but unless we are actually going to back him, then there is no point him being here! Because there are many other managers like Poch etc who would get us playing some attractive attacking football if the club just want to continue treading water. I honestly don't know what's going to happen but at the moment, we aren't getting results, and we aren't playing well. We aren't winning trophies and the football is horrific to watch so it's a terrible combination.

I pray we have some investment coming in because if we don't, we are in for a very painful few years.

I am sick and tired of the way this club is being run on the field! I cannot believe that after 30 minutes of a NLD, I had accepted the fact today's game was over and we had lost. What a sad place to be in.

We are in the middle of the window with no sign of any incomings and we are still stuck with the mediocre players we can't get rid of because of previous mistakes. Lloris, Doherty Dier, Lenglet & Sessegnon were 5 of our 6 defenders today. Romero was very poor also but is a baller and is easily good enough, but the other 5 players who have started for us in a NLD are nowhere near the required level. I got a bit of flack the other week when I looked over the combined XI and only had 4 of our players in it (Romero, Kane, Bentancur and Kulusevski). Well after today I feel justified to be honest because Arsenal absolutely schooled us today.

Where do we go from here?! We are completely lost! ?

Mate I feel you, couldn’t agree more with everything you’ve said.

The main thing is as you say “where do we go from here” and it’s been like this rinse and repeat for so so so long now and that comes back to Levy because the football strategy that he sets up is always flawed and a mess.

As you say either we back conte PROPERLY or we get rid of him / he walks now and we get Poch or whoever in so we actually play some football where we try to keep and pass the ball and attack and try and win, sure we’ll continue to need a rebuild but at least we won’t as you say be 20-30 mins into a game and give up all hope.