Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[BringBack_leGin]

Has it affected the value of the club?

Yes. Owing debt is a liability. Value (in the most simplistic form) it’s made up of assets minus liabilities.

Wasn't there a rumor that the Saudi's were looking at us in the summer and didn't bulk at the 3(?)b asking price?

A rumour. A completely understated one at that.

That would mean Levy values us at 4b, or are we saying 3b less the debt of the stadium?

An unanswerable question based on the fact that it’s based on an unsubstantiated rumour.

I feel my initial point still stands, ENIC did not invest 1.2b into the stadium it was all financed via the club and will be paid back off the back of the club

Spurs took on the liability of circa £800m debt (as Enic did front £400m I believe). As such, that is £800m less on the value of the club that Enic own almost every share in. Therefore, that is £800m less value on the club, plus £400m Enic put in.

Or do you think Spurs generated money in revenue itself?

 

[freeeki]

I have a feeling he will turn Lo Celso into a worldie. Just a hunch.

I really don't think Lo Celso is as far off as people think.

Once he's used consistently in a position which suits him, I think he'll find some of the form he clearly has when playing for Argentina.

Unlike Ndombele who's only got 1 international cap in two years, we do actually have another context within which to judge Lo Celso. If any manager will find a way to use him effectively, it'll be Conte.

 

[The Scarecrow]

Is that hitting the jackpot

Or fantastic scouting and squad development?

Even their flops like Keita aren’t too bad

It's all those things. What I'm saying is Klopp needs those players to excel. Conte won the league with David Luiz at the heart of his defence and Victor Moses at RWB.

 

[n0.1.spurs]

The GOAT manager just liked my comment on Insta. What a guy. ?

 

[Trix]

The GOAT manager just liked my comment on Insta. What a guy. ?

I doubt he even knows the password, but whatever

 

[wrd]

I predict he makes an absolute worldie out of one of our down-and-out surplus-to-requirement players.

I hope it's Jack Clarke.

Absolute scenes galore when it turns out to be Doherty.

Yeah I want to see Doherty on Thursday just to see how he could be used, I think it's all down to how effective he can make them and Doherty proved at Wolves that despite limitations he can be effective. Wouldn't be shocked to see that pulled out of him. I'm really interested to see what he does at RWB whether it's Emerson or perhaps Emerson can play that rcb role.

I'm most intrigued though by what he does with the midfield and in particular Dele, Ndombele and Lo Celso.

I think Dele has traits which Conte has built teams on and I'm one of the few I think still in Dele's corner but I'm really excited to see a manager who I think style finally will mesh with what Ndombele and Gio are all about. If we can't eventually find consistency out of those 3 under Conte there there's little else we could possibly do to make it work with them going forward.

 

[Timberwolf]

I really don't think Lo Celso is as far off as people think.

Once he's used consistently in a position which suits him, I think he'll find some of the form he clearly has when playing for Argentina.

Unlike Ndombele who's only got 1 international cap in two years, we do actually have another context within which to judge Lo Celso. If any manager will find a way to use him effectively, it'll be Conte.

Thankfully I think Conte will put the endless Ndombele/Lo Celso debates to bed for good.

Either they'll step up and show their true ability under a world class manager who will do everything to maximise their potential, or we'll finally realise they really aren't the top level players we'd always hoped - whether that's due to lack of commitment in Ndombele's case, or ability in Lo Celso's.

 

[n0.1.spurs]

I doubt he even knows the password, but whatever

Grinch season is next month.

 

[freeeki]

The GOAT manager just liked my comment on Insta. What a guy. ?

You've got Jose on Instagram? Omg

 

[teok]

The GOAT manager just liked my comment on Insta. What a guy. ?

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

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ENIC didn't invest 1.2 bn, they used the clubs income plus loans
I doubt ENIC have spent more than 140m of their own money, and are now sitting on a 2bn plus asset
It's fantastic they have got Conte in, and all credit to them for that.
It will be fascinating to see how they finance any excess spending this financial year. More loans, equity injection, who knows. I look forward to how this is going to work
Once again though massive congratulations to them for getting in what I hope will be our best manager since Billy Nick
Would even take best manager since Poch, as long as he wins something and gets us back as a top 6 side ?

I find that using history to predict the future tends to work reasonably well. I think therefore that ENIC will finance excess spending by loading more debt onto the club. As long as we make the right kind of buys though that doesn't have to be a bad thing.

 

[Spurslove]

Totally convinced already. Feels very big time appointment. Hope the players are feeling the same way and ready to go.

It could just be the case that our home defeat to United turns out to be one of our best ever defeats.

Football is so weird.

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[Stuart Leathercock]

I am intrigued by this. Whilst we all want Joe Lewis to be more of a benefactor, I would imagine it is not straight forward even if he wanted to be. FFP means that you cannot just inject significant money into a club. However, Man C, Chelsea, and soon to be Newcastle, obviously do this, and Leicester, and Villa to a lesser extent. I wonder how it works. The owner cannot just transfer £100M into the clubs bank account. Is it through issuing more shares, contrived sponsorship deals, underwriting loans that are never paid back or interest free? Would love to know how the different clubs approach this but I guess we'll never find out.

Actually I think it is that straightforward where THFC is concerned. Due to the huge amount of money we have invested in capital projects and the club running at a significant profit with those capital investments removed, our owners could inject extremely significant funds and not fall foul of FFP.... A year or two ago it was as much as £300m. I suspect it is now less than that due to our revenue shrinking somewhat due to falling out of the big boys European competition but significant funds could still be injected solely for transfers if our owners chose to operate that sort of business model (Newsflash: They won't!)

 

[rossdapep]

It could just be the case that our home defeat to United turns out to be one of our best ever defeats.

Football is so weird.

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Genuine and realistic United fans know that too.

They spent most of last night complaining again about a Solskjaer team that looked poor defensively and without a lack of real direction in the pitch.

No matter what some will tell you, they secretly wanted to lose that game knowing that it would have made their board act.

 

[mil1lion]

Conte is great and all but I still can't believe Bergwijn on for Moura

 

[beats1]

This is appointment all of a sudden imo changes the outlook and potential of the whole squad

The squad has struggled going forward and struggled to break down teams and looked lost on the ball

Every manager we had in recent times their philosophy has been about what we do off the ball. This is the first manager we have had that will tell them what to do with it

All of a sudden the whole squad including the CB's imo can look like the players we signed or wanted. Even Dele, could finally be taught what is expected of him

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

Yes. Owing debt is a liability. Value (in the most simplistic form) it’s made up of assets minus liabilities.

A rumour. A completely understated one at that.

An unanswerable question based on the fact that it’s based on an unsubstantiated rumour.

Spurs took on the liability of circa £800m debt (as Enic did front £400m I believe). As such, that is £800m less on the value of the club that Enic own almost every share in. Therefore, that is £800m less value on the club, plus £400m Enic put in.

Or do you think Spurs generated money in revenue itself?

What do you mean when you say 'Enic did front £400m' and 'plus the £400m Enic put in' ?

 

[tiger666]

Can we take all this Enic stuff elsewhere?

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

I doubt he even knows the password, but whatever

I think it's still AC4Chel5ea

 

[jbstarr14]

Conte is great and all but I still can't believe Bergwijn on for Moura

Scenes when Conte does the same at Goodison ?