Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Trix]

Spurs announcing that stellini taking over first team duties and contes Instagram post doesn’t suggest to me that anything is imminent re them leaving.

I do agree, but then this is the guy who sacked Jol during a match without telling him soooooo.......

 

[Jamturk]

The Doctor's are obviously concerned about something as this has happened after he's been examined, I feel this time it will be a minimum of 4-6 weeks rest for him. This takes us into late March early April, I think a lot will depend on what we're still competing for at that point whether he comes back or not.

Get Well soon Antonio.

 

[mil1lion]

Boring football that actually won a champions League, boring football that had them top of the league last season before countless injuries derailed their season

Trouble I have is he's another Conte or Jose, both won titles too but with big spending clubs. Nobody is winning titles here until Levy is gone. If we change from Conte we might as well play attacking football again. If not we should just stick with Conte. I just can't see Tuchel being much different.

 

[danielneeds]

They are not all on the same page with Poch. But you know how it goes. My opinion, he is seen as a convenient safe bet which will appease fans at the least. There is a reluctance to gamble on unproven managers. What a mess.

Not prepared to gamble on unproven managers, not prepared to give proven managers the experienced players they want to be competitive here and now. Welcome to Spurs - football’s very own purgatory.

 

[mabolsa_ritchey]

Might as well just bring Redknapp back based on all that

 

[The Doc]

It has been suggested (not ITK) on another forum that getting Poch in as caretaker manager till the end of the season and seeing how it goes might be a good idea. It would please the fans and not commit us to a permanent manager yet. I'm not sure he would want it though.

That would be sub-optimal imo. What's he going to do in 3 and a bit months, with limited time on the training pitches, when we have been playing the same system for 15 months? What would we do about transfer targets for the Summer too (resists inserting the obvious response to my own question)? If he is coming back, would prefer it is clean and announced shortly after the end of the season. Same for anyone else.

 

[Spursfan1414]

I’m sure Perisic was a compromise for Conte too, ie he could either have another young un or an experienced pro on a free, with Perisic’s age always questionable if he could cut in PL in his declining years but a free punt, attractive to ENIC, of course free agents can command higher wages but massive savings on an established pro in their prime with fee attached. I just think it’s simplistic to say this is who Conte wanted without considering other. Influences…

Two year deal at 175k a week comes out to 18 million in wages alone, probably a decent signing and agent fee on top of that as well. That’s not cheap when you’ve got 0 sell on value and the guy is clearly destined to decline at some point in that period.

I don’t really think we know if this was any sort of compromise from Conte. I mean he’d won the league with Peresic as a wingback just over a year before, he places what I think it a ridiculously high premium on players being “experienced” and “winners”, why isn’t it plausible that Peresic would be his top or close to his top choice? It fits way more with how Conte operates than how ENIC do.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

They are not all on the same page with Poch. But you know how it goes. My opinion, he is seen as a convenient safe bet which will appease fans at the least. There is a reluctance to gamble on unproven managers. What a mess.

Out of curiosity, is Paratici taking a large part in discussions? I just don’t get how they are dealing with this whole situation

 

[McFlash]

But that's it you just ignore it and keep it moving. When you see homeless people on the street do you blur them out so you don't see them to make your self feel better ?

This is the issue we currently have in the world people would rather run to their safe space than have a discussion, people need to strengthen their mindset.

@Trix do you want Poch back?

The fuck are you talking about "homeless people"?!

There's nothing wrong with different opinions, it's educational and provides debate.
It's how those opinions are put across that's the issue, a bit like your nonsense in a thread the other day, calling people "brainwashed" for not having the same opinion as you, then refusing to actually explain what your opinion was because people "wouldn't understand".

That sort of shite does nothing to stimulate debate, it just causes friction but because it's what you seem to do, you probably can't understand why it pisses people off.

 

[Spursfan1414]

If/When Conte goes, we need to return to the roots of what has actually worked for us. Get a manager who plays attacking football and is willing to coach young players with high potential, even if they’re not the finished article.

Then we need to sit and give them 2-3 years at least. I know others will say that we need to spend more than we have recently etc but I don’t actually think that’s true, I think we just need to spend more intelligently and have a stable footballing philosophy within the club, rather than lurching from style to style with new coaches each year.

That model is what worked for us with Poch. It’s what’s working now for Arsenal with Arteta. I don’t think there is such a thing as “win now” managers in the Premier League when they’re up against world class coaches like Pep and Klopp who’ve spent half a decade shaping their clubs in their image.

I think our recruitment since Paratici came in has been pretty good. We’ve had some transfers that clearly haven’t worked, but even then I think you can see what the idea was. Emerson would’ve been a perfectly good defensive RB for Nuno. Gil clearly has buckets of talent. Bissouma was one of the best CMs in the league even if it hasn’t worked out for us yet.

It’s hard to win things in England right now with the money and talent we’ve got accumulated here now. But I really think if we can stick with a plan like this we’ll have a good shot and at the very least, we’ll see some better football than we have for a long time.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Two year deal at 175k a week comes out to 18 million in wages alone, probably a decent signing and agent fee on top of that as well. That’s not cheap when you’ve got 0 sell on value and the guy is clearly destined to decline at some point in that period.

I don’t really think we know if this was any sort of compromise from Conte. I mean he’d won the league with Peresic as a wingback just over a year before, he places what I think it a ridiculously high premium on players being “experienced” and “winners”, why isn’t it plausible that Peresic would be his top or close to his top choice? It fits way more with how Conte operates than how ENIC do.

Point still stands whether it be the younger player on lower wages but higher fee or the older player on higher wages but free fee there always are compromises, again point being too simplistic to say he is Contes signing without considering other influences…

Look some think we’ve been unlucky with signings over recent years, others think we’ve had too much influence on our signings from non footballing people…

 

[Lifelong]

They are not all on the same page with Poch. But you know how it goes. My opinion, he is seen as a convenient safe bet which will appease fans at the least. There is a reluctance to gamble on unproven managers. What a mess.

And the proven ones have worked out a treat…..I have my doubts that this board could pick a winner in a one horse race…..

 

[Gb160]

If he wasnt ex chelsea i'd 100% want him. But the ex-chelsea manager thing is just getting a bit weird now and should be stopped.

What’s weirder is ruling one of the best young managers in world football out of the job based solely on fan tribalism.
The only thing that should be considered is are they the right man for the job.

 

[Gb160]

Every manager falls out with levy, if it’s a short term contract until the summer id much rather someone who I consider to be tactically incredible, and someone who plays the same system as we do, combined with we saw he can come in mid season and smash it

Mate Tuchel isn’t taking caretaker jobs, his stock is still high so he’ll lay about on a beach or in his mansion until another 4-5 year contract he fancies gets offered to him.

 

[hutchiniho]

Would be very interested to know if the goodbyes will be said in the coming weeks or at the end of the season with the end of his contract.
I think that is completely expected now, would be a surprise if there was a mutual parting before then.
Not least because I can’t possibly imagine our board knowing how to efficiently appoint a successor.

 

[only1waddle]

I'll say this, there's never a dull moment with this club.

Not dull but it's become tiresome, the lack of alignment, lack of a plan, the constant battles with managers, the clear and obvious bullshit from ENIC, I doubt it's occurred to DL he's created a soap opera around the club.
Still, Levy is preparing the wool delivery as we speak..

 

[Spursfan1414]

Point still stands whether it be the younger player on lower wages but higher fee or the older player on higher wages but free fee there always are compromises, again point being too simplistic to say he is Contes signing without considering other influences…

Look some think we’ve been unlucky with signings over recent years, others think we’ve had too much influence on our signings from non footballing people…

I suppose I don’t know what a Conte signing looks like if Perisic isn’t one. Is it literally just when Conte gets his number 1 target in all of world football?

There’s no way we signed Perisic without Conte being very enthusiastic at the very least.

 

[Impspur1]

They are not all on the same page with Poch. But you know how it goes. My opinion, he is seen as a convenient safe bet which will appease fans at the least. There is a reluctance to gamble on unproven managers. What a mess.

But you can understand that reluctance. Maybe a safe pair of hands and a little stability with a fan’s favourite is what we need now.?‍

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

Hope Conte rests up both mentally and physically. I think he needs a complete break from football altogether: it’s been a nightmare 6 months for him personally (massive understatement as I am sure he also missed his family in Italy: makes people reflect on life when not only one but three people close to you have died). I am sure this will provide the squad with a kick up the arse and Stellini’s stand in record ain’t half bad too. They say a week is a long time in politics, jeez this club. I would say it’s more likely that the current coaching staff will see us through to May / June then they’ll part ways. Just hoping that Chairman Levy won’t sack him at half time when he is watching the game on the box in Italy or anything like that, ie Jol… So so strange being a Spurs fan. I haven’t watched East Enders in over a decade and I cannot remember a plot line like this!

 

[The Doc]

Not dull but it's become tiresome, the lack of alignment, lack of a plan, the constant battles with managers, the clear and obvious bullshit from ENIC, I doubt it's occurred to DL he's created a soap opera around the club.
Still, Levy is preparing the wool delivery as we speak..

He is obviously aware and sensitive to the criticism. Remember his "we have unfinished business" interview prior to Nuno? The reference to spend and how we have been to x finals and y semi-finals under his tenure in response to THST? What's more odd is that he doesn't stop and think "am I the asshole?" before cracking on in exactly the same asshat way. Incidentally "am I the asshole" is a superb read. Google search it. The guy who brought pizza to a party and then ate it all himself is my favourite.