Eric Dier

[Mycroft Jones]

I thought it was a great doc.

Have you watched it?

Its about Dier's journey from moving to Portugal as a young child through all the ups and downs of his career.

There is no downside to this - except for people who won't watch and have an agenda to pursue.


I'd love to see more docs like this - showing the human side to footballers.

It also features goats and chickens; which are always good.

 

[bc205]

So every player in the Prem had as bad a season as Dier then?

Sorry if the word 'shit' is the wrong adjective? would you prefer awful, terrible or bad because all of them could have been used to describe his performance this season.

Nice strawman you built there.

Playing badly is not the same thing as being a bad footballer.

Personally i am happy to keep Dier around, but have no objection to arguments for selling him. There's nothing wrong with not rating him.

The problem i have is with you using hyperbole to denigrate him and try and argue that he is a shit footballer. Because objectively he just isn't. Unless you think that about 99.5% of footballers in the world are shit.

No one at Dier's level is shit, and it's ridiculous to argue that they are.

 

[DJS]

Think people throw the word hate about too easily.

I don’t hate anyone or anything as unless they’ve done something really bad to me or my family, why would I?

I can strongly dislike people, although I wouldn’t even say that about Dier as I don’t dislike him.

I merely don’t rate him anymore and hope he gets shipped out, although again hasn’t he been carrying an injury this season and just had a op? (As season before he was a vital cog and people on here didn’t think any central centre back we bought would get in ahead of him).

On another note as well as hate, I would also suggest anyone who accuses anyone of having an ‘agenda’ on spurs community should be instantly banned as that word is lazily over-used and often used incorrectly.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

It also features goats and chickens; which are always good.

lol that was kind of funny - Seriously think that Dier is one of the most down-to-earth professional footballers out there.

The family farm, the countryside, clearly family is very important to him - it was also nice to hear from guys like Jan and Eriksen.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

No one at Dier's level is shit, and it's ridiculous to argue that they are.

This should be obvious. Sadly, its not.

 

[robotsonic]

So every player in the Prem had as bad a season as Dier then?

Sorry if the word 'shit' is the wrong adjective? would you prefer awful, terrible or bad because all of them could have been used to describe his performance this season.

The amount of paddling you're having/choosing to do in this thread, it's almost as if most fans don't in fact hate Eric Dier

 

[Japhet]

Well he was part of a back 3 that got us into the top 4, which kinda demonstrates that a back 3 was the best system for him, provided the team is functioning (as it was initially under Conte) and he's well protected.

We never would've got top 4 with him playing in a back 4 and I think the main reason he had some odd decent spell under Jose - and I emphasise odd spell because at times he was awful - was largely because we played so defensively and he could just sit deep, defend crosses and block shots (at which he's perfectly fine).

Next season we might just get by with him as an emergency 4th choice option if we're lucky, but if he's 3rd choice I'd be very concerned indeed.

He's only really comfortable when he's facing the play. Anything coming straight at him, or over the top, that gets him on the turn is a big problem. Can't see him working at all in a high line back 4, even with someone quick beside him.

 

[mdharris]

Nice strawman you built there.

Playing badly is not the same thing as being a bad footballer.

Personally i am happy to keep Dier around, but have no objection to arguments for selling him. There's nothing wrong with not rating him.

The problem i have is with you using hyperbole to denigrate him and try and argue that he is a shit footballer. Because objectively he just isn't. Unless you think that about 99.5% of footballers in the world are shit.

No one at Dier's level is shit, and it's ridiculous to argue that they are.

Mate I think you’re missing the point. On a relative basis - for premier league central defenders, especially at clubs pushing for the CL, Dier is in the bottom 25%. Maybe even lower. He’s “shit” relative to his competition and level.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

LOL

 

[bc205]

Mate I think you’re missing the point. On a relative basis - for premier league central defenders, especially at clubs pushing for the CL, Dier is in the bottom 25%. Maybe even lower. He’s “shit” relative to his competition and level.

Well i would disagree with that assessment as well. How many CBs in the PL have as many international caps or have played at Dier's level? Not 75%.

And the original point i was making, which you seem to be missing, is that there is absolutely no need to be throwing hyperbole like this around anyway. If people don't rate Dier then fine, but there's no need to be calling him a shit footballer. It's arrogant and insulting.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Mate I think you’re missing the point. On a relative basis - for premier league central defenders, especially at clubs pushing for the CL, Dier is in the bottom 25%. Maybe even lower. He’s “shit” relative to his level.

Using the term "shit" to describe anyone based on their athletic ability is probably the wrong choice of word.

Using it to describe a PL footballer, who has spent 9 years, and 361 appearances for your club is simply incorrect.

 

[mdharris]

Using the term "shit" to describe anyone based on their athletic ability is probably the wrong choice of word.

Using it to describe a PL footballer, who has spent 9 years, and 361 appearances for your club is simply incorrect.

Sure, but that’s arguing the OP’s word choice, not his intention.

Is Dier very poor relative to club’s of our size starting CBs? Yes, I’m not sure how you could argue otherwise.

Ps. The majority of his England caps came a long time ago, mostly when he was playing as CM I’d imagine. So speaking of straw men…

 

[Phil_2.0]

Mate I think you’re missing the point. On a relative basis - for premier league central defenders, especially at clubs pushing for the CL, Dier is in the bottom 25%. Maybe even lower. He’s “shit” relative to his competition and level.

Thank you for explaining. I can't believe you actually had to do it.

I don't think Dier couldn't get a game down a local park, I was using the word shit relative to where Tottenham Hotspur exist. I don't quite get why that needs explaining but apparently it does.

Next time I say someone isn't a good player i will asterisk it with *obviously is better than me at football and probably most of humanity but i mean relative to the level this player operates at that said player is bad.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Sure, but that’s arguing the OP’s word choice.

Is Dier very poor relative to club’s of our size starting CBs? Yes, I’m not sure how you could argue otherwise.

Ps. The majority of his England caps came a long time ago, mostly when he was playing as CM I’d imagine. So speaking of straw men…

He was literally in the WC squad last season.

Wanting to upgrade on Dier is very different than a lot of the vitriol that gets tossed about - including in here.

I personally think he is too slow and ponderous - I describe his as slow of foot and slow of thought. But he is not a bad footballer - by any stretch of the definition.

 

[Ickle73]

I've scouted this player on youtube... we should sign him

 

[Phil_2.0]

He was literally in the WC squad last season.

Wanting to upgrade on Dier is very different than a lot of the vitriol that gets tossed about - including in here.

I personally think he is too slow and ponderous - I describe his as slow of foot and slow of thought. But he is not a bad footballer - by any stretch of the definition.

You've called him slow of foot and thought but also said he is not a bad footballer.

honest question here, what do you think he is good at?

 

[bc205]

Sure, but that’s arguing the OP’s word choice, not his intention.

Is Dier very poor relative to club’s of our size starting CBs? Yes, I’m not sure how you could argue otherwise.

Ps. The majority of his England caps came a long time ago, mostly when he was playing as CM I’d imagine. So speaking of straw men…

His intention was to be needlessly insulting towards a loyal and well liked player. That's what people have a problem with.

 

[mdharris]

He was literally in the WC squad last season.

Wanting to upgrade on Dier is very different than a lot of the vitriol that gets tossed about - including in here.

I personally think he is too slow and ponderous - I describe his as slow of foot and slow of thought. But he is not a bad footballer - by any stretch of the definition.

We are taking about right now, not the past. There’s a reason he’s not in the squad currently. And that people like Mings, who is not good enough for us, are making the side instead of him.

But actually, I’m not sure what you’re arguing. Are you saying that you think Eric Dier is good enough to be our starting CB?

I’m fine with him acting as rotation - but he’s too “shit” to be in our starting 11.

 

[Bobby TwoShots]

I think he'll look much better playing in a team that isn't always on the back foot. It was a while ago, but he was excellent under Poch. Van Dijk would look a bit crap playing the negative football of Jose/Nuno/Conte every week.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

You've called him slow of foot and thought but also said he is not a bad footballer.

honest question here, what do you think he is good at?

I think he organizes the defense well. He won more aerial battles than anyone on Spurs.

I think he passes the ball well when he does not think about it - and I think under Ange, this could be the case - where he wants quick passes, and will expect the CMs to show for the defenders.

I think he defends well - which is not to say he does not have a mistake in him. He is not aggressive like a Romero, but is more of a keep the body between the ball and the goal defender.

He was dispossessed only 3 times last season - compared to 10 for Romero or 8 for Lenglet


When we concede goals - the team concedes goals, not individual players. Under a new set-up, and with a more aggressive 6, I could see us improve in this area on tactics alone.

Again - he is at the end of his career - we can improve with a younger player. But this is still a player who earned an England call-up to the WC - last season. He is not a "shit" footballer - no matter how convoluted you make the definition.