ENIC...

[shelfboy68]

World leading training facilities ...check
World leading stadium ...check
World leading football ... In progress

Levy has always wanted spurs to be at the top table when it comes to football it's just how you get there and step by step was/is the plan.

Building up the infrastructure whilst being competitive (to a certain degree) is commendable.

My view is that the poch team peaked too early in regards the new stadium being finally ready for action. If we had the team that finished the final year at the old WHL at the new stadium we might be talking about a very different story now.

The fact that after the stadium was up and running more money was spent on the football side i.e player wages & bigger signings (Tanguy, GLC etc) should not be brushed aside. The reason for that was because our cashflow increased in magnitude. Our debt is long term and very serviceable in the normal course of events.

Remember when a player is bought the cost is spread over a number of years (all clubs do this). If our cashflow is higher i.e the amount we are able to generate then we can afford better players (and their wages).

Obviously covid has literally killed our cashflow and hence we are back to more frugal times just for a while I would think. But it has had a material effect on the plan.

Seems to me spurs is tale of bad timings. Had peak poch team and stadium delivery dove tailed or covid not happened it could be very well different.

As for Levy credit where credit is due. He's delivered on the infrastructure (even thou stadium was delivered later than expected).

People keep saying ambition this ambition that. What they really mean is spend more money on the football team which was always the plan.

To me ambition is building a multi purpose stadium (where the football playing surface splits in three parts - an engineering marvel) to increase our cashflow so that we can sit at the top table.

The stadium is highest quality in terms of spec and I believe that football matters will eventually follow that.

We constantly here bad timing or just rotten luck when does it change to we have done it we are a success.
I would highly doubt those words will ever be uttered as at some point soon along will come another set back only to start again.

 

[Coco-1101]

World leading training facilities ...check
World leading stadium ...check
World leading football ... In progress

Levy has always wanted spurs to be at the top table when it comes to football it's just how you get there and step by step was/is the plan.

Building up the infrastructure whilst being competitive (to a certain degree) is commendable.

My view is that the poch team peaked too early in regards the new stadium being finally ready for action. If we had the team that finished the final year at the old WHL at the new stadium we might be talking about a very different story now.

The fact that after the stadium was up and running more money was spent on the football side i.e player wages & bigger signings (Tanguy, GLC etc) should not be brushed aside. The reason for that was because our cashflow increased in magnitude. Our debt is long term and very serviceable in the normal course of events.

Remember when a player is bought the cost is spread over a number of years (all clubs do this). If our cashflow is higher i.e the amount we are able to generate then we can afford better players (and their wages).

Obviously covid has literally killed our cashflow and hence we are back to more frugal times just for a while I would think. But it has had a material effect on the plan.

Seems to me spurs is tale of bad timings. Had peak poch team and stadium delivery dove tailed or covid not happened it could be very well different.

As for Levy credit where credit is due. He's delivered on the infrastructure (even thou stadium was delivered later than expected).

People keep saying ambition this ambition that. What they really mean is spend more money on the football team which was always the plan.

To me ambition is building a multi purpose stadium (where the football playing surface splits in three parts - an engineering marvel) to increase our cashflow so that we can sit at the top table.

The stadium is highest quality in terms of spec and I believe that football matters will eventually follow that.

Yeah and the other clubs will fall asleep like rabbit and we go slowly slowly progressing little by little like turtle and win the race. That sounds like a good plan.

 

[Lighty64]

And this is why it is cheaper to buy the more expensive players we want rather than cheap alternatives who are not good enough. As the chances of this happening go down.

I have always wondered why players should get paid their full wages if they don't play or appear on the bench. Don't play, basic pay.

well just 1 example

we refused to pay the extra, and extra wages to get Batshuyai. Now ok he went to Chelsea instead and picked up a winners medal for contributing very little. he had 1 league goal before scoring the winner that secured them the title. he went on to score 3 more in their final 2 matches. since then he has as good as been on loan to 3 clubs, but twice to Palace, he has only notched up 54 apps in 4 seasons and scored a total of 15 goals.

expensive doesn't guarantee anything Saldado, Sanchez, Ndombele and I'm sure there are others

 

[sausage]

well just 1 example

we refused to pay the extra, and extra wages to get Batshuyai. Now ok he went to Chelsea instead and picked up a winners medal for contributing very little. he had 1 league goal before scoring the winner that secured them the title. he went on to score 3 more in their final 2 matches. since then he has as good as been on loan to 3 clubs, but twice to Palace, he has only notched up 54 apps in 4 seasons and scored a total of 15 goals.

expensive doesn't guarantee anything Saldado, Sanchez, Ndombele and I'm sure there are others

Paulinho was a waste of money, too. And the likes of Bent and Bentley before all those.

Postiga right at the start of ENIC.

 

[tiger666]

Postiga right at the start of ENIC.

I had such high hopes for that beautiful bastard. Seemed so exotic and exciting at the time. A part of me is still convinced he'll come good even though he's retired..

 

[sausage]

I had such high hopes for that beautiful bastard. Seemed so exotic and exciting at the time. A part of me is still convinced he'll come good even though he's retired..

Bentley, I assume? Or Postiga?

 

[tiger666]

Bentley, I assume? Or Postiga?

Helder

 

[sausage]

Helder

So typical of him to be shite for us, then I seem to recall he was amazing in an international and might have contributed toward knocking us out of something like Euro 2006? I remember being stood in a Lloyds Bar (wetherspoon) and saying "ah this guy's shite, was one of our record buys" and he decided to tun into a worldie for one game.

 

[JacoZA]

What about hiring at great expense a big-name manager who he knows plays a brand of football that's nothing like the club's DNA purely because he has a reputation as a "serial winner"?

If that's not "demonstrating a desire to win" I don't know what is.

The idea Levy doesn't want to win that keeps being bandied about by our more looney fans is as stupid as it is pathetic.

There's plenty to criticise when it comes to decisions made, go wild on that. But when it comes to intentions what's being said is just a plain, demonstrable lie.

On another note, I find it hilarious every times I read someone on here saying a man who's been a chairman of a EPL for 20 years "knows nothing about football". The arrogance of people here is astounding.

@the lad - I notice you rated both this post and mine, which made similar points, as spam. Would love to know your reasoning.

 

[Lighty64]

We constantly here bad timing or just rotten luck when does it change to we have done it we are a success.
I would highly doubt those words will ever be uttered as at some point soon along will come another set back only to start again.

the only way you will ever get an owner you like will be if we ever get owners like Chelsea or City

you've got more chance of winning the lottery than that ever happening. There are plenty of billionaires in the world and they would have already invested in football if they had any interest.

the rich Arabs if they want to buy a club they are not going to buy Spurs knowing they have to pay 2.5b+ and then another bill or 2 to possibly get success when they could buy either West Ham or Newcastle for a lot less.

Our only hope which I'm not too keen on would be someone that knows they could bring an NFL franchise to London, and invest in both. my worry about that is we could end up with owners like the Kronkes. the trouble with an NFL team is they don't always stay in one place, and we could find a new owner doing what he has done, used the money from Arsenal to build a massive arena in the USA.

don't get me wrong we could get one that treats us like Liverpool, but that's a big hope

your hate for ENIC is so bad, and if ENIC sold tomorrow to someone like a Kronke you'll be wishing you hadn't wasted 20yrs of your life hating someone

 

[Lighty64]

@the lad - I notice you rated both this post and mine, which made similar points, as spam. Would love to know your reasoning.

I'll answer that for you, there are certain people that if anything positive is posted about ENIC, the ENIC out will neg rep you. Have a go at ENIC and you'll be getting roughly 10 positive ratings every time

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

This constant calling out of people that give certain ratings is pathetic, it has become more frequent recently, the pity party lighty sort yourself out, I’d say 90% of the negative ratings I got were when I’ve said something negative about ENIC, it goes both ways. The ratings system is simple, you want to express a view but a) don’t have the time to respond or b) couldn’t be bothered getting in a repetitive conversation with certain posters who spout the same crap (again, yes goes both ways!) so the ratings system has a very useful function, the only way I ever see it abused is when people instantly give you retaliatory ratings, but that just a childish irritation of mine... Instead of the constant calling out of people that for their own reasons chose to use only the rating (maybe that’s how they feel comfortable, not everyone likes talking on open forums) perhaps you or others should start your own only rate positive for ENIC site, but enough of this childish nonsense and moaning. Personally I like it the way it is and I’ll stay here cheers taking all those winner ratings from those intelligent anti-enicers that see them for what they are.... I jest, at the end of the day we’re all Tottenham... idiot BSoDL or not... i jest... peace.

Back on topic of ENIC...

Let’s say Covid didn’t happen, does anyone live in a world where they think ENIC would have bought Skriniar and backed Mourinho with whatever he needed? Or does anyone think last season would have went much better with a full crowd booing Mourinho bore-ball? And does anyone believe ENIC would have admitted they got Mourinho terribly wrong, got Conte and gave him what he needed to go for it? Come on, we know after 20 years there would have been different excuses for our failure, and we still wouldn’t be going for it.

As for the reality of Covid, the losses will be absorbed longterm by the loans/financing, the record profits before and the record profits after, we’ll have better income and be in a better position than most teams and that’s where they deserve credit, but where they deserve criticism is you won’t see that on the pitch, they will plead poverty whilst we get outspent by smaller more ambitious owners. And it’s no longer just their lack of ambition in question, it’s also their competence which has now seen us go backwards since 2018.

And please stop saying Mourinho was expensive and ambitious, he got Mourinho as he thought Mourinho could get him success on the cheap rather than the expensive alternative of backing Poch with an overhaul before everything went pear shaped, he got that badly wrong...

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

your hate for ENIC is so bad, and if ENIC sold tomorrow to someone like a Kronke you'll be wishing you hadn't wasted 20yrs of your life hating someone

And if ENIC sell up and we start winning things you'll be wishing you'd taken that DNA test 20 years earlier.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

This constant calling out of people that give certain ratings is pathetic, it has become more frequent recently

You gave a post of mine an agree rating recently. Care to explain why?

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

You gave a post of mine an agree rating recently. Care to explain why?

Only if you care to give me a reason why you only liked my post and didn’t winner it, you’ve fucking offended me now... care to explain?

 

[DenverSpur]

When he spoke of the opening/completion of the new stadium he was clearly emotional.

When he was with Poch on the pitch during the CL he looked uncomfortable being there.

When he speaks about the fans and success it always feels forced. When he speaks about the financials he always seems like that it's closer to his heart.

Let's face it. He's an accountant. He takes more pleasure from seeing the numbers add up in the sheet than he does seeing tge club pick up points.

1000% Kane is gone. That's why JJ said in his opinion he thinks he's gone. He knows Levy and he knows that in this climate Levy will do whatever it takes to get the financials back to a balance he's comfortable with.

I accepted this sometime ago, and I accepted its why we will never ever win anything under his reign.

Just gotta hope Paratici can find some gems on the cheap and Fonseca can give us style and confidence.

Where did JJ say he thinks Kane’s gone?

 

[Trent Crimm]

I for one welcome Levy’s Russian AI Bots to this thread.

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[Spurs1976]

Where did JJ say he thinks Kane’s gone?

On his Twitter before the Leicester game but he stated it was personal opinion.

 

[shelfboy68]

the only way you will ever get an owner you like will be if we ever get owners like Chelsea or City

you've got more chance of winning the lottery than that ever happening. There are plenty of billionaires in the world and they would have already invested in football if they had any interest.

the rich Arabs if they want to buy a club they are not going to buy Spurs knowing they have to pay 2.5b+ and then another bill or 2 to possibly get success when they could buy either West Ham or Newcastle for a lot less.

Our only hope which I'm not too keen on would be someone that knows they could bring an NFL franchise to London, and invest in both. my worry about that is we could end up with owners like the Kronkes. the trouble with an NFL team is they don't always stay in one place, and we could find a new owner doing what he has done, used the money from Arsenal to build a massive arena in the USA.

don't get me wrong we could get one that treats us like Liverpool, but that's a big hope

your hate for ENIC is so bad, and if ENIC sold tomorrow to someone like a Kronke you'll be wishing you hadn't wasted 20yrs of your life hating someone

Your forgetting that we are already part of a multi purpose sporting events group in which we are the anchor tenant.

 

[Stamford]

@the lad - I notice you rated both this post and mine, which made similar points, as spam. Would love to know your reasoning.

Can't you private message him. Every thread is clogged up with these complaints about ratings.