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[rez9000]

That’s actually a pathetic list to hold up in defence of Levy’s lack of ambition. I’m done with this nonsense conversation.

A nonsense conversation involving lighty? Surely you jest?

You're putting words in my mouth - find me a post where I've said I want the best players or want to pay massive wages. You won't find one. You will find several that directly contradict that by stating that it's not about money, it's about attitude, and the attitude of those at the top of our club are accepting of failure - because they are.

If you want some quotes, go and watch the Amazon doc. Watch each and every interview with Levy. He regularly goes into detail about how difficult it is to win anything. About how hard it is to achieve anything. About how fans should stop expecting so much. About how "of course we'd like to win things, but-". He even makes a joke at his birthday about wanting Jose to get him top 4 and a cup, like it's literally a laughing matter - and everyone at the venue laughs their heads off. Is that a chairman who demands success? Is that a leader who will inspire others, who will strike fear into players and managers who decide to slack off, who will make it absolutely clear that every single person at the club should be doing everything they can to create and build a winning environment and mentality?

We have a loser mentality from top to bottom and it has infected every part of the club. I've gone into deep detail on this before so I'm not doing it again, but this club is not built to win things. Winning is not expect, not demanded, not ingrained into the very fabric of the club. There is no-one demanding success. New players aren't instantly struck by the determination to be the absolute best and the incredibly demanding standards of the club - because we don't have them. Poch pointed it out - he said the mentality of the club had to completely change to win things. He said it again when he said the club needed to rebuild.

There is absolutely nothing whatsoever you can say that will justify having the most expensive tickets in world football. There is no good reason, and no excuse for it. Sure, we have debts and expenses - same as every other club. Sure, our tickets might be at the upper end of what fans will expect to pay. But the most expensive tickets in the world? There is simply no justification for it.

But as I said, you'll never find me saying anything about us not spending enough on players or wages, because I've never said it.

Once again, as the Joker said - it's not about the money, it's about sending a message.

PREACH!

 

[sundanceyid10]

You say that, yet last night I would say there were only handfuls of people signing against Levy and ENIC, it couldn't have been more than 10% of people. Online isn't a reflection of the match going fan at all.

Nowhere near 10 % in my opinion

 

[jackson]

Nowhere near 10 % in my opinion

So 100% of the fans who normally sing then??

 

[WinksyBoy]

You say that, yet last night I would say there were only handfuls of people signing against Levy and ENIC, it couldn't have been more than 10% of people. Online isn't a reflection of the match going fan at all.

I disagree. At least 75% of those singing last night (and some who weren't) were singing Levy out songs.

 

[spursfan77]

I disagree. At least 75% of those singing last night (and some who weren't) were singing Levy out songs.

Thats still about 10% ? nobody was singing just like usual!

 

[WinksyBoy]

Thats still about 10% ? nobody was singing just like usual!

Did you watch the game at home? There were plenty singing.

 

[wrd]

Did you watch the game at home? There were plenty singing.

He went to the game

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

Definitely. Unfortunately (and probably quite rightly) it will carry over into next season and make the next manager's job that much harder. The club need to make sure they have a few full capacity friendlies in the stadium first to get the toxicity out of the way.

And charge us £60 a pop while they’re at it no doubt

 

[sundanceyid10]

And I do thank Poch. But I also acknowledge that Levy was ultimately responsible. Just as he is ultimately responsible when we are doing badly. It would be absurd to acknowledge one but not the other.

And it is demonstrably untrue that no other managers contributed to our run of consistently high PL positions. We finished in the top 6 in seven of the nine seasons before him, including each of the five seasons immediately prior to his appointment.

Sorry I thought you said top 4, if we are talking 6-7 obviously others.

 

[sundanceyid10]

Levy himself speaking on behalf of the board have accepted responsibility for things going in the wrong direction over recent seasons. They have admitted they lost sight of what the priorities are and that statement came out yesterday. We then watched a terrible start to them putting it right with the most expensive tickets of any of the games welcoming back fans and then putting them up in the heavens.

Today we have an interview with our star player who has said in the past "so long as the club is heading in the right direction I will stay", today he said he needs to have a conversation with Levy and clearly he knows what he is doing by telling the board that they need to be ambitious now or he will be leaving at the first opportunity.

Prior to this we have had the ESL fiasco, the Jose appointment fiasco, the sacking the man brought in to win cup finals the week before the final fiasco and yesterday we managed to all but kill our Europa League chances with how we handled Jose leaving.

Those 2 points though, the statement and Kane telling the world he is putting the ball in Levy's court are 2 moments where you can put a marker over today and say here is the point where things need to turn around, this is the lowest ebb in a long time and now the decisions that will be made in the next 12 months will arguably be the most telling of the ENIC era.

I'm saying mark your calendars and then let's see what happens over the next 12 months. Let's hope they right the wrongs and absolutely smash it but if they are not aggressive and ambitious over the next 12 months then I will honestly be fascinated to see if people try and excuse it. This is not the time to be risk averse or keep an eye on the balance sheet, this is making sure that everything that was built by the club does not become meaningless.

I know covid makes things difficult but in some forms it also creates opportunity because we're one of the biggest money makers in the world and other clubs will be suffering far worse than us and don't have their loans organised in the manner we do but make no mistake, regardless of covid, the time to act is now and hiding behind the pandemic will not wash.

Trix suggests they may have already nailed one decision, let's hope that manifests and we kick on from here.

I’ll believe it when I see it, I’m tuned out to Levy’s shit at the moment. He talks the talk, but I am a bit bored of it to be honest and very skeptic of anything going well if he is involved to much in player recruitment, other than paying the fee. We need someone who is elite level at identifying talent.

 

[SandroClegane]

And charge us £60 a pop while they’re at it no doubt

You want the club to spend money on players/wages but you don't want them to charge fans to go to the games? And you also don't want them to make good on contracts with advertisers by leaving the tarps in place? What do you want the club to do exactly?

 

[Karol]

You want the club to spend money on players/wages but you don't want them to charge fans to go to the games? And you also don't want them to make good on contracts with advertisers by leaving the tarps in place? What do you want the club to do exactly?

Well you can take getting blood out of a stone off the list for starters

They've been there and done that

 

[spurdaboyzon]

Levy himself speaking on behalf of the board have accepted responsibility for things going in the wrong direction over recent seasons. They have admitted they lost sight of what the priorities are and that statement came out yesterday. We then watched a terrible start to them putting it right with the most expensive tickets of any of the games welcoming back fans and then putting them up in the heavens.

Today we have an interview with our star player who has said in the past "so long as the club is heading in the right direction I will stay", today he said he needs to have a conversation with Levy and clearly he knows what he is doing by telling the board that they need to be ambitious now or he will be leaving at the first opportunity.

Prior to this we have had the ESL fiasco, the Jose appointment fiasco, the sacking the man brought in to win cup finals the week before the final fiasco and yesterday we managed to all but kill our Europa League chances with how we handled Jose leaving.

Those 2 points though, the statement and Kane telling the world he is putting the ball in Levy's court are 2 moments where you can put a marker over today and say here is the point where things need to turn around, this is the lowest ebb in a long time and now the decisions that will be made in the next 12 months will arguably be the most telling of the ENIC era.

I'm saying mark your calendars and then let's see what happens over the next 12 months. Let's hope they right the wrongs and absolutely smash it but if they are not aggressive and ambitious over the next 12 months then I will honestly be fascinated to see if people try and excuse it. This is not the time to be risk averse or keep an eye on the balance sheet, this is making sure that everything that was built by the club does not become meaningless.

I know covid makes things difficult but in some forms it also creates opportunity because we're one of the biggest money makers in the world and other clubs will be suffering far worse than us and don't have their loans organised in the manner we do but make no mistake, regardless of covid, the time to act is now and hiding behind the pandemic will not wash.

Trix suggests they may have already nailed one decision, let's hope that manifests and we kick on from here.

100% correct

 

[rossdapep]

Levy himself speaking on behalf of the board have accepted responsibility for things going in the wrong direction over recent seasons. They have admitted they lost sight of what the priorities are and that statement came out yesterday. We then watched a terrible start to them putting it right with the most expensive tickets of any of the games welcoming back fans and then putting them up in the heavens.

Today we have an interview with our star player who has said in the past "so long as the club is heading in the right direction I will stay", today he said he needs to have a conversation with Levy and clearly he knows what he is doing by telling the board that they need to be ambitious now or he will be leaving at the first opportunity.

Prior to this we have had the ESL fiasco, the Jose appointment fiasco, the sacking the man brought in to win cup finals the week before the final fiasco and yesterday we managed to all but kill our Europa League chances with how we handled Jose leaving.

Those 2 points though, the statement and Kane telling the world he is putting the ball in Levy's court are 2 moments where you can put a marker over today and say here is the point where things need to turn around, this is the lowest ebb in a long time and now the decisions that will be made in the next 12 months will arguably be the most telling of the ENIC era.

I'm saying mark your calendars and then let's see what happens over the next 12 months. Let's hope they right the wrongs and absolutely smash it but if they are not aggressive and ambitious over the next 12 months then I will honestly be fascinated to see if people try and excuse it. This is not the time to be risk averse or keep an eye on the balance sheet, this is making sure that everything that was built by the club does not become meaningless.

I know covid makes things difficult but in some forms it also creates opportunity because we're one of the biggest money makers in the world and other clubs will be suffering far worse than us and don't have their loans organised in the manner we do but make no mistake, regardless of covid, the time to act is now and hiding behind the pandemic will not wash.

Trix suggests they may have already nailed one decision, let's hope that manifests and we kick on from here.

winner winner chicken dinner

 

[rossdapep]

You're putting words in my mouth - find me a post where I've said I want the best players or want to pay massive wages. You won't find one. You will find several that directly contradict that by stating that it's not about money, it's about attitude, and the attitude of those at the top of our club are accepting of failure - because they are.

If you want some quotes, go and watch the Amazon doc. Watch each and every interview with Levy. He regularly goes into detail about how difficult it is to win anything. About how hard it is to achieve anything. About how fans should stop expecting so much. About how "of course we'd like to win things, but-". He even makes a joke at his birthday about wanting Jose to get him top 4 and a cup, like it's literally a laughing matter - and everyone at the venue laughs their heads off. Is that a chairman who demands success? Is that a leader who will inspire others, who will strike fear into players and managers who decide to slack off, who will make it absolutely clear that every single person at the club should be doing everything they can to create and build a winning environment and mentality?

We have a loser mentality from top to bottom and it has infected every part of the club. I've gone into deep detail on this before so I'm not doing it again, but this club is not built to win things. Winning is not expect, not demanded, not ingrained into the very fabric of the club. There is no-one demanding success. New players aren't instantly struck by the determination to be the absolute best and the incredibly demanding standards of the club - because we don't have them. Poch pointed it out - he said the mentality of the club had to completely change to win things. He said it again when he said the club needed to rebuild.

There is absolutely nothing whatsoever you can say that will justify having the most expensive tickets in world football. There is no good reason, and no excuse for it. Sure, we have debts and expenses - same as every other club. Sure, our tickets might be at the upper end of what fans will expect to pay. But the most expensive tickets in the world? There is simply no justification for it.

But as I said, you'll never find me saying anything about us not spending enough on players or wages, because I've never said it.

Once again, as the Joker said - it's not about the money, it's about sending a message.

winner winner chicken dinner 2

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

 

[rossdapep]

I do think the club have zero choice right now but to get in a coach of significant stature and back him with intent. Not necessarily spending 200m but marking targets and getting them in quickly.

Several reasons that Levy cant afford to treat this window like usual.

- We are teetering on the edge, fail to make significant investment and another year of mediocrity awaits, making it harder to regain status that we worked for.

- The promise of no CL football means investment and sponsoring takes a massive hit. Something that will hurt Levy.

- Club valuation. The valuation of the club and its assets will drop. Noone will pay 4bn for a football club that doesnt have the best players and isn't making money from CL footy. The stadium alone won't be enough.

- Kane will 100% be off next summer, if not this one. Followed by Hugo and potentially others. The club can't afford to lose its most marketable players. How do you sell the club to sponsors with no faces?

- Attraction. Forget making big signings or winning the hearts of players with big potential. They'll choose other better placed clubs. For a short while under Poch, we were definitely getting bigger names and players with lots of options to seriously consider us. That will take years to recover.

- Stadium not being full. The club will hate the idea of the stadium not being full. It wont sell to investors/sponsors but they'll be losing money.

Its better for THEM, not just the club in general, that they spend this summer without holding back. The future is now.

 

[yankspurs]

I do think the club have zero choice right now but to get in a coach of significant stature and back him with intent. Not necessarily spending 200m but marking targets and getting them in quickly.

Several reasons that Levy cant afford to treat this window like usual.

- We are teetering on the edge, fail to make significant investment and another year of mediocrity awaits, making it harder to regain status that we worked for.

- The promise of no CL football means investment and sponsoring takes a massive hit. Something that will hurt Levy.

- Club valuation. The valuation of the club and its assets will drop. Noone will pay 4bn for a football club that doesnt have the best players and isn't making money from CL footy. The stadium alone won't be enough.

- Kane will 100% be off next summer, if not this one. Followed by Hugo and potentially others. The club can't afford to lose its most marketable players. How do you sell the club to sponsors with no faces?

- Attraction. Forget making big signings or winning the hearts of players with big potential. They'll choose other better placed clubs. For a short while under Poch, we were definitely getting bigger names and players with lots of options to seriously consider us. That will take years to recover.

- Stadium not being full. The club will hate the idea of the stadium not being full. It wont sell to investors/sponsors but they'll be losing money.

Its better for THEM, not just the club in general, that they spend this summer without holding back. The future is now.

We are about £800m in debt with £175m due back next year in full. ENIC have never shown a willingness to invest into the THFC before. They wont do that when the club is in this kind of debt. The most they’ll do is pay down some of that debt for the club until matchday revenue comes back. It’s far more likely they drop their valuation by £500m and look to sell since Lewis is getting up there in age. But even that is unlikely.

 

[spursfan77]

We are about £800m in debt with £175m due back next year in full. ENIC have never shown a willingness to invest into the THFC before. They wont do that when the club is in this kind of debt. The most they’ll do is pay down some of that debt for the club until matchday revenue comes back. It’s far more likely they drop their valuation by £500m and look to sell since Lewis is getting up there in age. But even that is unlikely.

Dont worry about the debt. They’ll refinance. It’s a red herring. Worry about the stadium not being 100% income producing next season. That’s much more of a concern.

 

[mrlilywhite]

So we have a pending loan repayment of £175m that has to paid back by next March to the Bank of England, Kane possibly gone, A team of players who are neither not good enough nor good enough but not performing consistently. So what is ENIC actually going to do? How are they going to fund a squad rebuild, what, if it happens are they going to do if they sell Kane? What manager are they going to attract, knowing likely we won't have a pot to piss in. I feel that this is a hole that ENIC & Levy have dug that they can't get us out of. Levy has winged it for too long on the football front and now we are in a mess that we might not actually get out of for some time.