ENIC...

[Metalhead]

How can fans drive out enic though ? Newcastle can’t do it with Ashley as an example .
These lot are poison

Ashley is desperate to sell. They are in a better position because he valued Newcastle at around £250 million, which is a bargain with a stadium their size (admittedly in need of modernisation) and being a one club city. Of course ENIC would sell as they are an investment company and if reports are to be believed, Lewis is in favour of selling but there aren't many suitors around willing to pay well north of a billion pounds.

 

[hellava_tough]

Found Jose’s sacking odd. If we wanted top 4 he should have been sacked 1-2 months ago as the whole thing was falling apart, if we wanted the League Cup we could have sacked him straight after the final if we lost. We have appointed Mason too late for a top 4 challenge realistically and just thrown him into the deep end with a cup final.

Perhaps there are reasons, but the way we employ managers, buy and sell players just looks from the outside amateur.

I think the ITKs said that Levy was going to keep Mourinho until the end of the season and then sack him, but he had completely lost the squad a week ago so he had no choice.

That said, after the DZ game Mourniho should have gone, but I can only assume that Levy was keeping him for the final, which obviously didn't pan out because the wheels had come off completely at that point.

 

[jimbo]

How can fans drive out enic though ? Newcastle can’t do it with Ashley as an example .
These lot are poison

It's a while ago, but I think it was the fans that were partly responsible for Sugar selling to ENIC so pressure can make a difference - though we'd still need an interested buyer.

IIRC ENIC bought Spurs for about £50m all told, asking for £1bn+ seems utterly ridiculous and something closer to £500m a fairer price. One thing we might be able to do, if we applied sustained pressure on ENIC to sell, is get them to entertain a more reasonable offer should one come in. That would require a fan base broadly united in wanting ENIC to go though, and it doesn't feel like we're there yet.

 

[jurgen]

Deloitte's most recent list of top 25 richest clubs in Europe. How many of those clubs have been LESS successful in terms of what they have won than Levy/ENIC over the last 20 years? Everton and bloody Crystal Palace

In terms of sporting success from that list Levy/ENIC have got us to 23rd out of 25.

1 Barcelona
2 Real Madrid
3 Bayern Munich
4 Manchester United
5 Liverpool
6 Manchester City
7 Paris Saint-Germain
8 Chelsea
9 Tottenham Hotspur
10 Juventus
11 Arsenal
12 Borussia Dortmund
13 Atlético Madrid
14 Internazionale
15 Zenit Saint Petersburg
16 Schalke 04
17 Everton
18 Lyon
19 Napoli
20 Eintracht Frankfurt
21 Valencia
22 Leicester City
23 Benfica
24 Borussia Mönchengladbach
25 Crystal Palace

Makes you well up with pride it does...

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

How is it ok for Man City to spend so much money, dodge FFP rules, and we still expect our team to compete with them on the pitch?

Levy could have closed that gap with the ESL. But the fans don’t want to.
So now we’re stuck in a state of being better funded than 14 teams we compete with, but not as well funded as 4/5 of our rivals. What do we expect to happen other than to lose cups when we face Liverpool, City, Chelsea or United?
The currrent system is rigged. Concentrating on the ESL is all well and good, but why aren’t people up in arms over the current state of unbalance in European football?

Absolutely spot on.

It pissed me off how Man City have some how come out of the ESL debacle with the moral high ground. The whole reason the ESL idea gained momentum in the last few years is because Man City, Chelsea and PSG distorted the market by paying wages and fees that just aren't sustainable, so the big european clubs were looking for a way to generate more revenue.

It's scandalous how pundits on football channels continue to compare our relative spending to these clubs and fail to mention they are basically PR vehicles for human rights abusers or a way of washing dirty money. They didn't get where they are because their football clubs are run any better than ours, it's simply because they have fuck loads of money. And it's almost impossible to compete with.

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

It appears that FFP is no longer an issue. ENIC have the cash to spend handsomely this summer if they want to.
If they dont because they want to balance the books bearing in mind the stadium is finished and financed on favourable terms, then I will concede that A&C was correct all along.
This is not the time to start a new 5 year project. We need to sell those that need to go and replace with quality. It's clear that is what is needed.
ENIC can afford it.

 

[danielneeds]

Absolutely spot on.

It pissed me off how Man City have some how come out of the ESL debacle with the moral high ground. The whole reason the ESL idea gained momentum in the last few years is because Man City, Chelsea and PSG distorted the market by paying wages and fees that just aren't sustainable, so the big european clubs were looking for a way to generate more revenue.

It's scandalous how pundits on football channels continue to compare our relative spending to these clubs and fail to mention they are basically PR vehicles for human rights abusers or a way of washing dirty money. They didn't get where they are because their football clubs are run any better than ours, it's simply because they have fuck loads of money. And it's almost impossible to compete with.

Oligarchs would’t bother with soft power if it wasn’t proven throughout history to work, mate. The City owners aren’t idiots, everything they’ve done has been methodically planned.

 

[KevinW]

Ashley is desperate to sell. They are in a better position because he valued Newcastle at around £250 million, which is a bargain with a stadium their size (admittedly in need of modernisation) and being a one club city. Of course ENIC would sell as they are an investment company and if reports are to be believed, Lewis is in favour of selling but there aren't many suitors around willing to pay well north of a billion pounds.

I suspect that it would take a very high offer for ENIC to sell while there is any chance of the NFL granting a London franchise. I have always thought that building a stadium with purpose built facilities and changing rooms for the NFL for just two games a year didn't make much sense. Levy has put effort into building the relationship with the NFL hierarchy and if they get a London franchise ENIC will really be able to cash in by selling

 

[Amo]

How can fans drive out enic though ? Newcastle can’t do it with Ashley as an example .
These lot are poison

You can start with driving them out of running the club for starters.

No need to attempt getting them to sell. They almost certainly won't, regardless. So it's a waste of effort.

They could be persuaded to extract themselves from the organisation. Levy's grip on the board is waning anyway and there's a lot more scope for politics within the club after a long era total control.

Many people confuse "Levy won't be forced out" with "Levy can't be forced out." The former is a fair assumption. Not the latter.

If the other chairpeople refuse to work with him, he quits. If the board votes to remove him (whether symbolically or via company constitution), he quits. If protests escalate for too long rather than being sporadic outbursts, he quits.

And even if he doesn't quit cold turkey, his influence and authority is certainly being diluted by the day. Not sure where the assumption that the club is Levy's personal fiefdom in which he is impervious to any pressure came from.

 

[Inq]

I know we don’t like Twitter around these parts. And I’m sure a bunch of you have seen this. But this video is about how I feel these days.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

This article by Wilson pretty much sums of the catastrophic shitberg we’ve become

Spurs are sliding at speed and route back up is packed with obstacles | Jonathan Wilson

At a time when money is tight the club need six new players and another new manager, and doubts surround Kane and Son

www.theguardian.com

 

[Rosco1984]

Has anyone shared the 50+1 petition on here yet? I have signed and shared it on facebook but if there is any club that could benefit from that rule coming in it us us considering all the infrastructure is already in place. I cant work out how to share it from FB to here maybe someone more social media adept could do it? might be worth creating a thread for it if anyone can

 

[bubble07]

Found Jose’s sacking odd. If we wanted top 4 he should have been sacked 1-2 months ago as the whole thing was falling apart, if we wanted the League Cup we could have sacked him straight after the final if we lost. We have appointed Mason too late for a top 4 challenge realistically and just thrown him into the deep end with a cup final.

Perhaps there are reasons, but the way we employ managers, buy and sell players just looks from the outside amateur.

I think if we sacked him after winning league cup final jose could have sued for unfair dismissal as the objectives set out from the start would have been top 4 and a cup

Enic chose money over a cup by sacking him 6 days prior to final. Also wasn't there reports that jose was going to play the reserves v southampton but Levy wasn't having it?

 

[David St Hubbins]

Another 5 year project would leave us 5 years behind again as when we reach a certain level the other big teams are up on the next one.
Enic are just poncing off club loyalty, the fans are allowing themselves to contribute to the coffers so how can you really complain when you're complicit in the crime.
Just don't buy anything to do with the club, if you aren't paying for anything you aren't contributing and your hands are clean of the crime and at the very least you won't be out of pocket, let them have the fair weather fans and let them do it.
We've been through this for twenty years and the board really doesn't back the manager how they should, until Enic are gone it won't change no matter who's brought in.
I've been a fan for nearly 50 years and our boards over have never been great, I remember Pat Jennings telling why he left the club in 77 and history does have a habit of repeating itself when money is involved.

 

[robin09]

And we haven't come close to winning a single one of them. We haven't even scored a single goal in the last 4.

This should tell you all you need to know.

The loser mentality, the acceptance of failure, the idea that "almost" is enough.

It comes from the top and it infects the entire club. And it will never change.

You've made our point for us.

Well I think there's degrees of being a loser. Not getting into any finals, would be a more damning refection on ENIC's tenure, than getting to half a dozen finals.

Again though, look at the teams we've played in these recent finals.

Man City, Man United, Chelsea, Liverpool.

They all have much bigger revenues than us. They all pay higher transfer fees and wages than us. They have better players than us. It's not a surprise they beat us in those finals, like they often beat us in the league.

If we are to genuinely compete with those teams, we have to match their spending. It's sad that football is purely down to budgets. You have the biggest, you win. So given FFP rules out someone coming in and splashing 500m on the squad unless they club has the income to support it, ENIC getting us closer via the stadium build is the only real alternative for a mid-level team. (Although COVID has come at almost the worst possible time for us.)

'It will never change' is a little dramatic. It will change once fans come back and we can actually make money to spend money. We need to put the last few pieces in place - NFL deal, stadium sponsor - but the ingredients are now there to take advantage of, to move to the next level.

'It will never change' also forgets that we're now top 4 contenders when that wasn't in our wildest dreams in the early 2000s. It has changed, alot. Spurs are much bigger and better than we used to be. The fact people are screaming about not competing with Man United, Liverpool and Chelsea is not something anyone was considering for the majority of the last 25 years and shows how much expectations have shifted, due to ENIC.

We have spent quite a lot of money and bought quite a lot of players in the last 2 years. Our wage ceiling has also increased. The expectation that we should be toe to toe with Manchester City, is so unrealistic that regardless of whether its ENIC or someone else in charge, you'll all be disappointed because it's not going to happen.

Unless we suddenly sell as many shirts in China as United do, we're stuck doing it the old fashioned organic way, via the stadium. 'Almost' has to continue to be enough for a while.

 

[Hazelton]

Starting to think it's the best time for both parties to sell up. Joe makes a huge profit, Levy leaves knowing he's put the club in a stronger position than when he took over and we're able to have a completely fresh start. New owners, new manager, new squad. Time to push on.

 

[Metalhead]

Starting to think it's the best time for both parties to sell up. Joe makes a huge profit, Levy leaves knowing he's put the club in a stronger position than when he took over and we're able to have a completely fresh start. New owners, new manager, new squad. Time to push on.

Yeah, it's been a pretty hot topic of discussion for the last week. Unfortunately it's a matter of a party being willing to stump up the money. It'll be well over a billion.

 

[robin09]

I think if we sacked him after winning league cup final jose could have sued for unfair dismissal as the objectives set out from the start would have been top 4 and a cup

Enic chose money over a cup by sacking him 6 days prior to final. Also wasn't there reports that jose was going to play the reserves v southampton but Levy wasn't having it?

I like that on one hand we cannot possibly compete with Man City - due to ENIC. Yet at the same time, we can criticise them for sacking Mourinho too early, as he about to serve up a cup final win against City.

So are we a million miles away from City, or 6 more days of Jose away? Either way its ENIC's fault, right.

 

[Insomnia]

Time to go

 

[synththfc]

I have never seen anything like this. One person makes countless categorically terrible decisions, in a relatively short period of time, leading to the dismantling of everything that many people (including this person) worked so hard to build, and they still have unconditionally backing from certain people.

Granted, many have turned, and others while not completely turned can still question him, but there are still some people who think he can do no wrong. I'm at a loss.