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Cochise

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I know in the last few windows we have invested, but given we didn't invest much (or at all in some cases) in the years before that, does it average out differently?
 

Metalhead

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I know in the last few windows we have invested, but given we didn't invest much (or at all in some cases) in the years before that, does it average out differently?
I feel like it's not so much is being spent but how wisely it's being spent.
 

NickHSpurs

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Two years ago today we beat City to get to the CL semi final! Ajax aside, I don’t remember enjoying supporting us very much since!

Much of that is on the board, it was a real chance for us to kick on, invest in the team and build on that CL run. Instead we’ve gone massively backwards, literally from Champs League final to mid table ?
 

HodisGawd

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Two years ago today we beat City to get to the CL semi final! Ajax aside, I don’t remember enjoying supporting us very much since!

Much of that is on the board, it was a real chance for us to kick on, invest in the team and build on that CL run. Instead we’ve gone massively backwards, literally from Champs League final to mid table ?
We did invest. The money was made available and spent. We broke our transfer record. We brought in the most expensive manager in the league. But we invested badly. Mourinho has been poor, Lo Celso injured, Ndombele a disappointment, most of our other signing s haven't lived up to our expectations. The problem hasn't been cash, it's been what happens next. Bad choices on the football side. Poch, Mourinho, Hitchen... It's frustrating.
 

Metalhead

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We did invest. The money was made available and spent. We broke our transfer record. We brought in the most expensive manager in the league. But we invested badly. Mourinho has been poor, Lo Celso injured, Ndombele a disappointment, most of our other signing s haven't lived up to our expectations. The problem hasn't been cash, it's been what happens next. Bad choices on the football side. Poch, Mourinho, Hitchen... It's frustrating.
Oh yes, couldn't agree more. I think that people would even be understanding about money in the short term until the stadium starts generating revenue. It's a perceived lack of strategy.
 

southlondonyiddo

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We did invest. The money was made available and spent. We broke our transfer record. We brought in the most expensive manager in the league. But we invested badly. Mourinho has been poor, Lo Celso injured, Ndombele a disappointment, most of our other signing s haven't lived up to our expectations. The problem hasn't been cash, it's been what happens next. Bad choices on the football side. Poch, Mourinho, Hitchen... It's frustrating.

How about the back to back windows when we didn’t spend a penny

That is the reason we are where we are today. It was an absolutely unprecedented move at the time which many of us thought incredibly dangerous

The squad has been too comfortable and stale pretty much ever since!!

Has/is taking a long long time to turn the tanker around again after those windows
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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How about the back to back windows when we didn’t spend a penny

That is the reason we are where we are today. It was an absolutely unprecedented move at the time which many of us thought incredibly dangerous

The squad has been too comfortable and stale pretty much ever since!!

Has/is taking a long long time to turn the tanker around again after those windows

Even though I agree are we paying for our inactivity in previous windows, it's been covered many times on here already that it was just as much down to Poch as it was down to Levy. We tried for De Jong, Rabiot, De Ligt and NDombele (the season before we signed him) during those windows and couldn't get the deals done for various reasons. Poch then wouldn't except accept alternatives such as Tielemanns or Maddison.

We clearly had some money available to spend but Poch was obviously happy to continue with what we had than what he deemed as substandard alternatives.
 

HodisGawd

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How about the back to back windows when we didn’t spend a penny

That is the reason we are where we are today. It was an absolutely unprecedented move at the time which many of us thought incredibly dangerous

The squad has been too comfortable and stale pretty much ever since!!

Has/is taking a long long time to turn the tanker around again after those windows
Money was there available to spend. But the indications were that Poch was too picky. We should have signed Tielemans, for example, but Poch didn't want him. That was a mistake. In any case, if our signings since had come off - if Ndombele was half the player we expected, same with Bergwijn - then we would be flying right now. Despite everything, it is worth remembering that we are not that far off points-wise right now. A few better decisions and...
 

RichieS

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Even though I agree are we paying for our inactivity in previous windows, it's been covered many times on here already that it was just as much down to Poch as it was down to Levy. We tried for De Jong, Rabiot, De Ligt and NDombele (the season before we signed him) during those windows and couldn't get the deals done for various reasons. Poch then wouldn't except accept alternatives such as Tielemanns or Maddison.

We clearly had some money available to spend but Poch was obviously happy to continue with what we had than what he deemed as substandard alternatives.
Maddison wouldn't have come here to sit on the bench - he's on record saying as much.

Obviously we could have signed Grealish in 2018 and subsequent evidence suggests it would have been an excellent deal to do. What people often neglect to mention when invoking Capt. Hindsight on that particular deal is that it very much would have been a "Levy special". Now, I do remember ITK saying Barkley was the one Poche really wanted around that time (summer 2017/Jan 2018) and, in the end, we didn't do the necessary to get him to come here - clearly he wanted someone to understudy/replace Eriksen, but no-one was provided until Lo Celso was signed in summer 2019.
 

bubble07

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The issue I have with Enic is if they had a choice of spending 500m on players to win the league and champions league or pay 1 billion for a stadium they would choose the stadium because they will get that money back with a sale
 

Spursberg

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The issue I have with Enic is if they had a choice of spending 500m on players to win the league and champions league or pay 1 billion for a stadium they would choose the stadium because they will get that money back with a sale

They will not get it back if Spurs become a regular top 10 club though. If we are not sold to Americans for only the purpose of expanding the NFL brand.
 

Aay_Jay_Dee

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The issue I have with Enic is if they had a choice of spending 500m on players to win the league and champions league or pay 1 billion for a stadium they would choose the stadium because they will get that money back with a sale

To be fair I would say they have got that right. Who knows what £500m would be spunked on. New stadium gives us a long term advantage.
 

shelfmonkey

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Two years ago today we beat City to get to the CL semi final! Ajax aside, I don’t remember enjoying supporting us very much since!

Much of that is on the board, it was a real chance for us to kick on, invest in the team and build on that CL run. Instead we’ve gone massively backwards, literally from Champs League final to mid table ?

The same thing happened with Jol and Harry, it's a recurring theme, almost as if ENIC/Lewis/Levy et al aren't interested in what happens in the football side!!:unsure:
 

shelfmonkey

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The issue I have with Enic is if they had a choice of spending 500m on players to win the league and champions league or pay 1 billion for a stadium they would choose the stadium because they will get that money back with a sale

Agree, I've kept on stressing the point that we had the chance to do both, we had the chance to build a really successful team when Poch came in, even with Harry before him, but the stadium became the priority which hamstrung Poch, he didn't get backed at the crucial time and it was a slippery slope from there on, the typical Tottenham 3 steps forward 2 strides back scenario.
 
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