Disproven theories

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Can we put to an end a couple of theories after this window:

1. We need to have a sugar daddy billionaire to buy top class players in order to compete.

This window may go down as one of the best in history. Sure teams have gone on bigger spending sprees and bought in more expensive 'superstar' players but I can't remember any time when a club has significantly improved in every area of the pitch (except keeper) whilst still making a profit. It's an absolute masterstroke from Levy, Baldini et. al and shows that it is still possible to be completely self sufficient and still improve. I'm sure this trend will continue and we'll bring in young players for the future and continue to grow as a club without the need for ridiculous financial outlays.

2. Our potential signings are coompletely dependant on qualifying for Champions League.

For most of the second half of last season our fan base was completely crippled by the fear that we wouldn't qualify for the Champions League, we'd miss out on a host of targets because any decent player will demand CL football and we'd stall in our progress and eventually go backwards. Whilst the performance of our team is still to be seen, I think there is little doubt that the transfer window has been unbelievably successful. If we had qualified for the CL I don't know if it could have gone any better than it has now. Bale would likely have still left for Madrid, and I'm not sure there are any star signings that would have been persuaded to come to the Lane. We've brought in 7 international players with undoubted quality and pedigree and they were attracted to come to Spurs because of what we are building and a belief in the clubs future. If anything the CL is now even more of a target because of the quality and depth that we have but at least it is a target for the right reasons now, because we believe that we should be up there and we are trying to win things. I honestly won't be worried about the future of our club but will just enjoy the ride and look forward to us competing on all fronts.

 

[onthetwo]

I think Bale and AVB have raised our profile a bit in the last few years but for me, I'd have to conclude that Baldini was the most significant signing of all this summer. Watching ManU and Arse struggle to sign anyone makes me think that Levys perseverance with the DOF role has been validated already.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Can we put to an end a couple of theories after this window:

1. We need to have a sugar daddy billionaire to buy top class players in order to compete.

This window may go down as one of the best in history. Sure teams have gone on bigger spending sprees and bought in more expensive 'superstar' players but I can't remember any time when a club has significantly improved in every area of the pitch (except keeper) whilst still making a profit. It's an absolute masterstroke from Levy, Baldini et. al and shows that it is still possible to be completely self sufficient and still improve. I'm sure this trend will continue and we'll bring in young players for the future and continue to grow as a club without the need for ridiculous financial outlays.

2. Our potential signings are coompletely dependant on qualifying for Champions League.

For most of the second half of last season our fan base was completely crippled by the fear that we wouldn't qualify for the Champions League, we'd miss out on a host of targets because any decent player will demand CL football and we'd stall in our progress and eventually go backwards. Whilst the performance of our team is still to be seen, I think there is little doubt that the transfer window has been unbelievably successful. If we had qualified for the CL I don't know if it could have gone any better than it has now. Bale would likely have still left for Madrid, and I'm not sure there are any star signings that would have been persuaded to come to the Lane. We've brought in 7 international players with undoubted quality and pedigree and they were attracted to come to Spurs because of what we are building and a belief in the clubs future. If anything the CL is now even more of a target because of the quality and depth that we have but at least it is a target for the right reasons now, because we believe that we should be up there and we are trying to win things. I honestly won't be worried about the future of our club but will just enjoy the ride and look forward to us competing on all fronts.

Whilst fully understanding where your coming from, and agree with most of your points.....i must ask the question...
if we hadn't unearthed a 90m player to fund all these deals, would theory 1 still apply? its easy to say it now, but it is kind of like winning the lottery and than saying i don't need rich parents...

 

[Eric_s]

I do think that those players decided to join us because they belief that we are capable of qualifying for CL and challenge for trophys. I think our potential as a club is a big draw.

 

[Eric_s]

One theory we can put to rest is that when Levy makes a 20million pound bid, he has no intention of actually signing the player. It was just a pr gesture.
I think we can now see that if a player is good enough, Levy is more than happy to spend to get them.

 

[Lilbaz]

Could we also put to rest the theory that AVB has no say in transfers?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-caribbean-summit-set-up-2241193

According to the interview with the mirror, AVB sat down with Levy and Lewis and discussed their targets for this year.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Could we also put to rest the theory that AVB has no say in transfers?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-caribbean-summit-set-up-2241193

According to the interview with the mirror, AVB sat down with Levy and Lewis and discussed their targets for this year.

Correct....and thats when Levy and Lewis worked out how to outfox RM, they would have known about the Bale offer, made plans to bring in Baldini, Lewis would 'loan' us 50m to start buying without relying on the Bale money.
It has worked beautifully ,a master plan, and now we have RM in our pocket and all our targets signed and delivered..

 

[TheGreenLily]

Whilst fully understanding where your coming from, and agree with most of your points.....i must ask the question...
if we hadn't unearthed a 90m player to fund all these deals, would theory 1 still apply? its easy to say it now, but it is kind of like winning the lottery and than saying i don't need rich parents...

Umm we didn't need a £90 million player. As I explained in the What Our Opponents are Saything thread.

£50 mill from Uncle Joe
£35 from new TV money
£30+ potential from player sales (Already at £23 million I think)
+ Extra marketing, shirt sales and money saved from previous windows etc etc

So £115 + million right there

Then we have kept our wage structure and we pay uncle Joe back at £5 million a year once we have byult our new stadium.

Bales sale is nothing more than a Brucey Bonus

 

[EastLondonYid]

Umm we didn't need a £90 million player. As I explained in the What Our Opponents are Saything thread.

£50 mill from Uncle Joe
£35 from new TV money
£30+ potential from player sales (Already at £23 million I think)
+ Extra marketing, shirt sales and money saved from previous windows etc etc

So £115 + million right there

Then we have kept our wage structure and we pay uncle Joe back at £5 million a year once we have byult our new stadium.

Bales sale is nothing more than a Brucey Bonus

All your maths add up i agree, but i don't believe we would have spent so much on players if we were not selling Bale even though your figures suggest we could.

Uncle Joe's 50m i think was part of the RM plan like i explained, i do believe he will get that back imo, I can't believe we would have spent so much without the Bale sale even though i agree we may have the money too, not with a new stadium too.

 

[TheGreenLily]

All your maths add up i agree, but i don't believe we would have spent so much on players if we were not selling Bale even though your figures suggest we could.

Uncle Joe's 50m i think was part of the RM plan like i expalined, i do believe he will get that back imo, I can't believe we would have spent so much without the Bale sale even though i agree we may have the money too, not with a new stadium too.

Of course Uncle Joe will get his money back, but I think it is £5 million a year once we have a new stadium and the extra income can more than cover this.

I think we would have gone ahead, especially as AVB was told we was keeping Bale for one more year.

Hopefully Levy has seen the light and realised that TM and Bale and F off and pull the deal, stating you can can try again next season, this time show us a little respect and class.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Too be honest Bale is this seasons sugar daddy. We were blessed with having a world class superstar on our books, that we conveniently cashed in when his stock is at it's highest.

I doubt if we will see spending of this level repeated again for the foreseeable future. The challenge now is to go on a win things and so we can keep hold of our star players.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Of course Uncle Joe will get his money back, but I think it is £5 million a year once we have a new stadium and the extra income can more than cover this.

I think we would have gone ahead, especially as AVB was told we was keeping Bale for one more year.

Hopefully Levy has seen the light and realised that TM and Bale and F off and pull the deal, stating you can can try again next season, this time show us a little respect and class.

Is a laon like that allowed with the new fair play rules? serious q's. wouldn't that be a way round for the likes of Ctiy and Chelsea? they could just get 100m loans from their owners and make a mockery of the new rules??

 

[TheGreenLily]

Is a laon like that allowed with the new fair play rules? serious q's. wouldn't that be a way round for the likes of Ctiy and Chelsea? they could just get 100m loans from their owners and make a mockery of the new rules??

I believe someone else said that these kind of loans are not banned yet under FFP.

Also I think it is over a 5-6 year period. So I wouldn't worry about it. Whether we sold Bale this year or next year, makes no difference to FFP.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

Thing is I don't think we have bought superstars per se, but just the right players for the right positions.

 

[Lilbaz]

From the first 2013/14 monitoring period, an owner can invest up to €45m over two seasons in exchange for more shares in the club. It means an owner can after the 2013-14 season on average only exchange €15m worth of cash for shares each year to spend on transfers and wages etc. That figure is reduced to €10m per season (€30m over three seasons) for the 2015-16 season. If an owner does not put any money into a club by way of cash for shares, each club’s acceptable loss (by reference to the last column in the table) is a mere €5m over three years.

http://www.isportconnect.com/index....eaking-even&catid=61:sport-finance&Itemid=177

 

[Yid-ol]

Can I add number 3 ) we don't do our signings early.

 

[Roynie]

From the first 2013/14 monitoring period, an owner can invest up to €45m over two seasons in exchange for more shares in the club. It means an owner can after the 2013-14 season on average only exchange €15m worth of cash for shares each year to spend on transfers and wages etc. That figure is reduced to €10m per season (€30m over three seasons) for the 2015-16 season. If an owner does not put any money into a club by way of cash for shares, each club’s acceptable loss (by reference to the last column in the table) is a mere €5m over three years.

http://www.isportconnect.com/index....eaking-even&catid=61:sport-finance&Itemid=177

So if JL put in the £50m before the start of the season, or the TX, is it outside the monitoring period?

 

[Lilbaz]

So if JL put in the £50m before the start of the season, or the TX, is it outside the monitoring period?

One way to get around it would be to put it towards the stadium costs. This wouldn't be covered by ffp.

But so far all our expenditure is covered by sales (if Bale goes) there is no sign of any extra money having been put in. This could change, but so far we haven't even seen any of the extra tv money being spent let alone another £50m.