Dawson

[Damian99]

No-one, including me, would ever question Dawson's bravery but i definitely question his leadership qualities - as I have never seen them.

So he's now responsible for other people's inability to make an aerial challenge :rofl:. Jenas and Gallas made little or no fucking attempt at challenging Adebayor, where is that Dawson's fault?? :stupid:

You blame him when we don't nearly keep a clean sheet, you're a knob.

And isn't ariel a soap powder??

 

[Midostouch]

Do those of you why say they are just told to go out and do their best, think they were told this against AC Milan home and away too? If so, their best can be bloody good can't it?

 

[MrWoolley]

He did so well so many times but he was careless with his distribution-as Wilkins was at pains to point out.

I can't think of one player last night who had good distribution.

 

[dav3j]

It's got fuck all to with what I think. Harry Redknapp obviously doesn't share my opinion of Dawson and neither do you, and you would both presumably be happy for your "captain" and "leader" and best ariel defender to be allocated the biggest ariel threat - you know the bloke that scored two headers last night. Therefore the first failing IMO is his (Redknapp's) schoolboy approach to defensive organisation - and not just at set pieces, but particularly set pieces last night.

I don't believe for one minute that Redknapp allocated any instructions for corners etc - because it was a fucking shambles.

Whether Redknapp had or hadn't allocated, I would definitely have expected Dawson - our captain and leader and man at the heart of all defending set pieces - to be far more involved in the organisation than he was. And as you say, there several danger men from set pieces, but Ramos is about 5 down that list. Wouldn't you rather your hero, our defensive leader to be marking someone a little more dangerous than Ramos who could and should have been marked by Bale (his marker) or one of the others.

That second goal came as a direct result of shocking on field defensive organisation, and there was an incident exactly the same in the first half. It was fucking comical. Dawson & co (and they were all as bad) were just casually sauntering scratching their arses generally while Madrid were taking the corner.

Where was the famous leadership of Dawson ?

A leader needs to able to organise and kick arses, make sure everyone is pulling their weight, staying alert and giving their all.

No-one, including me, would ever question Dawson's bravery but i definitely question his leadership qualities - as I have never seen them.

Hasn't this already been hashed over in a previous thread? From the looks of it, Jenas was man marking Adebayor, and Dawson wasn't to blame.

It probably is. Isn't aerial a type of skiing ?

I guess it takes a knob to know one eh.

And not that I really want to get bogged down in an argument on spelling... but it is aerial. :roll:

 

[Coyboy]

CROUCH should be marking ADEBAYOR, they are the same height virtually

The corner in the other end a couple minates later ADEBAYOR marked CROUCH

Maybe, but the way he was acting he would have probably elbowed him, knocked him out, got sent off, conceded a pen and 'Manu' would have been carried off...oh right I like it.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

For what it's worth, I think, in a game where everyone basically became an auxiliary defender, Dawson had a good game for the most part, and I said so. He threw himself around with his usual gusto to good effect for much of the game.

Of course Jenas was marking Adebayor for the first goal, no-one is disputing that, and he made a shit job of it - but it was a mis-match, and that was poor judgement by first Redknapp, for not organising dawson to marking him, and then by Dawson, as captain and best aerial defender for not making sure that everyone was doing their job and that match-ups were sensible.

I got round to watching it last night and in particular the corners. One of the subsequent corners Jenas had Khadira. Not one corner did I see any type of on pitch organisation going on at corners, it was a free for all where everyone seemed to just grab who was nearest. The corner for the second goal Dawson just wanders off into nowhere leaving the much smaller Gallas to deal with Adebayor and marks no-one at all.

The lion share of the blame for this lies with Redknapp and the coaching staff - and VDV made reference to this lack of preparation earlier in the season - but despite Dawson's positive attributes and contribution this clearly shows something that we were arguing about on here recently in another Dawson thread. He's not a real pitch leader. He sets a good example in terms of effort, but that is not leadership.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I can't think of one player last night who had good distribution.

Gallas made 2 unsuccessful passes. Daws made 13. This is not unusual.

 

[Damian99]

The corner for the second goal Dawson just wanders off into nowhere leaving the much smaller Gallas to deal with Adebayor and marks no-one at all.

Awwwwwwwww poor little william, just exactly what is the height difference between the two by the way. Maybe Dawson should have stood and held Williams hand? and they could have marked Adebayor together :roll:

Gallas is an experienced Central Defender i am sure he has marked people taller than him before.

As much as you want to try and pin some blame on Dawson(as you generally do)

HE WASN'T AT FAULT FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S POOR MARKING.

 

[WhiteStripe]

Gallas made 2 unsuccessful passes. Daws made 13. This is not unusual.

He also set Bale up for arguably our best chance of the game. he was also given the ball by Gallas on at least 3 seperate occasions in a difficult position. He was also given the ball a number of times by Gomes whilst under pressure.

He did not directly cost us a single goal. Gallas cost us 1, Jenas cost us 1.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

As I said, this stat is not unusual.

 

[WhiteStripe]

Not sure how what I said leads to what you said?

 

[jonathanhotspur]

He made 10 against the mighty Wigan.

He made FOURTEEN against the mighty Wolverhampton Wanderers.

He made 12 against the mighty Blackpool.

He made 12 against the mighty Bolton Wanderers.

 

[WhiteStripe]

He made 10 against the mighty Wigan.

He made FOURTEEN against the mighty Wolverhampton Wanderers.

He made 12 against the mighty Blackpool.

He made 12 against the mighty Bolton Wanderers.

Ok, and where are the stats from?

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Guardian Chalkboards.

 

[WhiteStripe]

Guardian Chalkboards.

Ok thanks, just always interested in good stats resources.

 

[Legend10]

Awwwwwwwww poor little william, just exactly what is the height difference between the two by the way. Maybe Dawson should have stood and held Williams hand? and they could have marked Adebayor together :roll:

Gallas is an experienced Central Defender i am sure he has marked people taller than him before.

As much as you want to try and pin some blame on Dawson(as you generally do)

HE WASN'T AT FAULT FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S POOR MARKING.

You don't get it at all.

Put simply players should play with their brains, that includes taking responsibility when you see situations that you can positively affect.

 

[WhiteStripe]

You don't get it at all.

Put simply players should play with their brains, that includes taking responsibility when you see situations that you can positively affect.

So Gallas should have also done the same. Look I agree, Dawson as captain should have organised Adabayors marker better, but it's hardly reason to blame him. Jenas is quite capable of jumping, he simply stood off, and watched.

 

[WhiteStripe]

He made 10 against the mighty Wigan.

He made FOURTEEN against the mighty Wolverhampton Wanderers.

He made 12 against the mighty Blackpool.

He made 12 against the mighty Bolton Wanderers.

Just to give your stat a little bit of balance, if we take the Blackpool game as an example, of the 12 unsuccessful passes out of 58, 5 were long balls down the field, 5 were headers that didn't come off, and in total only 2 really lost the ball in anything resembling a dangerous position.

I understand what you are getting at, but some context is always useful when quoting raw stats.

In comparison, if we take Vidic, in a game they won 4-0 vs Wigan he made 8 unsuccessful passes out of a total of 37 and vs Wolves where they lost 2-1 made 18 unsuccessful passes out of 59. My point being, Dawson is no worse in that respect than one of the best CB's in the league and possibly the world.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

So Gallas should have also done the same. Look I agree, Dawson as captain should have organised Adabayors marker better, but it's hardly reason to blame him. Jenas is quite capable of jumping, he simply stood off, and watched.

If Jenas stood off and watched for the first goal, how would you describe what Dawson did for the second ?

 

[WhiteStripe]

If Jenas stood off and watched for the first goal, how would you describe what Dawson did for the second ?

The second goal, Sandro and Gallas seemed to assume responsibility for Adabayor and Kadiera (although nobody really switched on at all).

Dawson was marking the space between the goal and the two players on the edge of the box, as a cutback into that space would have also resulted in a goal.

I think everyone in the box seemed slow to react, but Gallas and Sandro are are way more culpable than Dawson, who was the furthest away of 4 players in the box.