Ched Evans Jailed...

[scoobydoo]

Well clearly most if not all football league clubs disagree with you as do much of the public.

I think there should be a code of conduct but are footballers really that thick that it needs to be spelled out to them that raping a girl is wrong? Or if Evans doesn't think he raped her, that treating her the way and his friends did is disgusting and unacceptable behaviour?

If he has to be made an example of, then so be it.

The bit in bold here is absolutely key. Lot's of people seem to be keen to punish him because they think what he did was ethically and morally wrong (which of course it is).

If you don't believe that this kind of thing goes on every weekend up and down the country then you are deluding yourself.

One of the main people to speak on this subject was raped at knife-point in her vicarage home. How can she be objective on a subject like this?

It's like the Hillsborough trust being the world experts on safe standing...

 

[tototoner]

Listen, I can understand someone arguing that Evans deserves a second chance, to work etc on the back of the claim that he has served his jail time and is legally entitled to work. What I can't understand is people peddling this hope that his conviction gets quashed, this notion that it is probable that he isn't a rapist.

Because that looks like the only way he will be able to play again, and I don't agree that he should not be a allowed to by the Moral keyboard warriors, I believe he should be allowed to get on with his profession.

 

[Amo]

The bit in bold here is absolutely key. Lot's of people seem to be keen to punish him because they think what he did was ethically and morally wrong (which of course it is).

If you don't believe that this kind of thing goes on every weekend up and down the country then you are deluding yourself.

One of the main people to speak on this subject was raped at knife-point in her vicarage home. How can she be objective on a subject like this?

It's like the Hillsborough trust being the world experts on safe standing...

Objective? People who have been through rape speaking about it and you want their input not to be counted because they can't "be objective"?

And yet, men who clearly have issues with their own behaviour being called into question, or their own sense of entitlement being whittled away, defending Evans unconditionally are a bastion of objectivity?

 

[tototoner]

I wouldn't call you a 'rapist sympathiser' but your comments in this thread, specifically the victim shaming, do not paint a positive picture.

I am not black and white, I am grey but if everyone had the same opinion it would be a very boring society we live in.

I don't suffer fools lightly, never had and I always talk straight, I'll never be a diplomat or a manager and never want to be, if that upsets one or two people so be it

 

[Kendall]

Because that looks like the only way he will be able to play again, and I don't agree that he should not be a allowed to by the Moral keyboard warriors, I believe he should be allowed to get on with his profession.

You believe that, I don't and we have been arguing it out. But putting faith on him not committing the crime is really pushing it. If that was the case, we could say the same about anyone convicted of any crime.

You can't just suggest things might be OK because he 'could' be innocent, it's a what if scenario that we here have no basis for.

Also, calling people with an alternative opinion to yours on an emotive subject like rape shows you to have a callous and dismissive view of the severity of the crime IMO. But I guess that's just you not suffering fools, huh?

 

[Coyboy]

I am not black and white, I am grey but if everyone had the same opinion it would be a very boring society we live in.

I don't suffer fools lightly, never had and I always talk straight, I'll never be a diplomat or a manager and never want to be, if that upsets one or two people so be it

Have you managed to track down who exactly sent those threats yet? Were they feminists and do-gooders, and the same people supposedly taking the moral high ground against a rapist?

 

[Amo]

Have you managed to track down who exactly sent those threats yet? Were they feminists and do-gooders, and the same people supposedly taking the moral high ground against a rapist?

I find the notion that any self-described feminist would send a rape threat laughable. I would find a man who feels his 'duty' is to protect women and their 'honour' much more likely. Either way, we have no evidence, and until we do, I won't indulge in making any judgements on it.

 

[Coyboy]

I find the notion that any self-described feminist would send a rape threat laughable. I would find a man who feels his 'duty' is to protect women and their 'honour' much more likely. Either way, we have no evidence, and until we do, I won't indulge in making any judgements on it.

I don't understand this stance.

 

[tototoner]

Have you managed to track down who exactly sent those threats yet? Were they feminists and do-gooders, and the same people supposedly taking the moral high ground against a rapist?

My lawyer is still working on it

 

[Coyboy]

My lawyer is still working on it

So it was you just rashly jumping to conclusions then?

 

[Amo]

I don't understand this stance.

I meant, I won't be saying the people who sent Oldham 'rape threats' are feminists, misogynists, Islamists, capitalists, aliens, Mormons and so on.

 

[Coyboy]

I meant, I won't be saying the people who sent Oldham 'rape threats' are feminists, misogynists, Islamists, capitalists, aliens, Mormons and so on.

Sorry I was being sarcastic/trying to be funny.

Call me a taxi. Uber will do.

 

[tototoner]

You believe that, I don't and we have been arguing it out. But putting faith on him not committing the crime is really pushing it. If that was the case, we could say the same about anyone convicted of any crime.

You can't just suggest things might be OK because he 'could' be innocent, it's a what if scenario that we here have no basis for.

Also, calling people with an alternative opinion to yours on an emotive subject like rape shows you to have a callous and dismissive view of the severity of the crime IMO. But I guess that's just you not suffering fools, huh?

You think he is quilty, I get that

I don't, why is that so hard to understand.

And I know he was "convicted in a court of law" , but that doesn't change anything for me as personally I have no respect for British justice at all and never will.

Bottom line I don't believe that a rape was committed by Evans and I don't give a shit how many people dislike that view

 

[Main Man]

While quite drunk, in high heels I fell over, yet was still able to keep my kebab in hand and not drop it. It's amazing the things you can do while drunk.

And in that state I imagine you would be in a position to consent to sexual activity, yes?

You yourself have out "quite drunk", I am assuming from the victims description she was far beyond "quite drunk".

 

[tototoner]

So it was you just rashly jumping to conclusions then?

Me never, how very dare you

 

[talkshowhost86]

Sorry to be thick but is the difference ?

Evans wasn't even given leave to appeal by a judge because they couldn't show significant issues with the initial decision (although I don't know what the specific reasons given for this refusal were). He appealed this decision so it went in front of a three person panel, who also rejected leave to appeal.

If he'd actually been given leave to appeal they would have fully reviewed the facts in front of another court which could have lead to the decision being overturned.

 

[allatsea]

You think he is quilty, I get that

I don't, why is that so hard to understand.

And I know he was "convicted in a court of law" , but that doesn't change anything for me as personally I have no respect for British justice at all and never will.

Bottom line I don't believe the a rape was committed by Evans

I assume you don't live in Britain then ?

 

[Amo]

Sorry I was being sarcastic/trying to be funny.

Call me a taxi. Uber will do.

That was great, to be fair.

 

[tototoner]

I assume you don't live in Britain then ?

Yes I do, born in Ireland though so have seen what the pathetic kangaroo courts on both sides of the Irish Sea are capable of and therefore have no respect for so called British justice.

That's another debate though that I am not having here.

 

[talkshowhost86]

You think he is quilty, I get that

I don't, why is that so hard to understand.

And I know he was "convicted in a court of law" , but that doesn't change anything for me as personally I have no respect for British justice at all and never will.

Bottom line I don't believe the a rape was committed by Evans

But the point is that the fact he was convicted by a court of law is what is important here when discussing whether he should play football again. I don't know what's happened to you to make you write off an entire legal system, but ultimately that has no bearing on Evans' position.

The fact is he has been convicted. He has done (some of) his time and now he is out. There is nothing stopping him playing football. There is no ban on him playing football. It's just that clubs don't want him because, whether you agree with it or not, he is a convicted rapist and they have had public pressure (which the public have a right to provide) not to sign him.