can ramos motivate ?

[dannythomas]

Is anyone else just a little concerned about the lack of effort amongst our squad ? New manager , big reputation , playing for their futures etc. And yet our season ended with the LC. Can't imagine Mourinho, Whinger or Sir Alex putting up with such lack of professionalism. At the end of the day we have to pay to watch them going through the motions and I think Sir Alex particularly would have grabbed a few by the scruff of the neck Dave Mackay style. Anyway the start of next season will tell us a lot.

 

[hughy]

There is effort, just no end product. Every team goes through a short spell of not being able to score many, unfortunately, ours has come just as we've stopped conceding so many.

 

[lukespurs7]

21 shots to 3 vs bolton yea probably not trying that hard.

 

[dannythomas]

There is effort, just no end product. Every team goes through a short spell of not being able to score many, unfortunately, ours has come just as we've stopped conceding so many.

The performances against Birmingham, Newcastle and Boro don't fall into that category.

 

[thfcsteff]

Is anyone else just a little concerned about the lack of effort amongst our squad ? New manager , big reputation , playing for their futures etc. And yet our season ended with the LC. Can't imagine Mourinho, Whinger or Sir Alex putting up with such lack of professionalism. At the end of the day we have to pay to watch them going through the motions and I think Sir Alex particularly would have grabbed a few by the scruff of the neck Dave Mackay style. Anyway the start of next season will tell us a lot.

Mate,

He did a reclamation job with a squad which contains about 10-12 players he clearly does not rate.
Next season I think you'll see what he and Gus can do with their own mob in the shirt...

 

[SpurSince57]

Wasn't he brought in to turn the Top Four side Jol had failed with into contenders? Or did I get that bit wrong?

Possibly we will see what he can do next season with his own mob in the shirt. But that's rather beside the point, isn't it?

 

[dannythomas]

Mate,

He did a reclamation job with a squad which contains about 10-12 players he clearly does not rate.
Next season I think you'll see what he and Gus can do with their own mob in the shirt...

So we are going to sign 10-12 new players in the summer ? Can't see it . The whole purpose of the Director of football structure is to maintain continuity when coaches change. If we need 10-12 new players the system clearly is not working. Or else Comolli should fall on his sword.

 

[talkshowhost86]

The problem is that when he's dropped players, the replacements have come in and been equally useless.

The squad just isn't up to it at the moment and it must be hard to motivate players to play for their place when their replacements aren't bothered either.

I think Ramos is more about getting the team in good physical shape and playing to his style rather than 'personal motivation'. Either way I don't think we can judge his motivation skills too much until he's got his own squad in.

 

[gavspur]

I think he can motivate, to an extent.. He has obviously ruffled a few feathers, and pretty much stuck with/by the same players continuously since he joined, si the players on the fringe are prob not helping too much in training and motivating the playing squad.

 

[dannythomas]

Wasn't he brought in to turn the Top Four side Jol had failed with into contenders? Or did I get that bit wrong?

Possibly we will see what he can do next season with his own mob in the shirt. But that's rather beside the point, isn't it?

Exactly. As a top coach under the 2 tier system he should be able to work with what he has. Especially with the new signings made in January. If Jol had been given Woodgate and Hutton instead of Kaboul , Bent and Boateng I think his results at the start of this season may well have been a lot better.

 

[dannythomas]

The problem is that when he's dropped players, the replacements have come in and been equally useless.

The squad just isn't up to it at the moment and it must be hard to motivate players to play for their place when their replacements aren't bothered either.

I think Ramos is more about getting the team in good physical shape and playing to his style rather than 'personal motivation'. Either way I don't think we can judge his motivation skills too much until he's got his own squad in.[/quote]

His own squad ? Was it Jol's own squad ? Or Comolli's ?

 

[Real_madyidd]

Wasn't he brought in to turn the Top Four side Jol had failed with into contenders? Or did I get that bit wrong?

Possibly we will see what he can do next season with his own mob in the shirt. But that's rather beside the point, isn't it?

Spot on.

Our world class manager has proved how well Jol did. He has also shown how unrealistic the board were as a result of Jols success.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Not too concerned

Very difficult for a team to perform when they have nothing to gain playing against teams who are either chasing Europe or fighting relagation.

As has been said we've missed a hat full of chances lately and in the last 30 mins or so nearly every team we've played has been fighting for their lives.

Looking back I think we were maybe kidding ourselves thinking we'd win nearly every game in the run in after winning the cup and push for 8th+

 

[SpurSince57]

The problem is that when he's dropped players, the replacements have come in and been equally useless.

The squad just isn't up to it at the moment and it must be hard to motivate players to play for their place when their replacements aren't bothered either.

I think Ramos is more about getting the team in good physical shape and playing to his style rather than 'personal motivation'. Either way I don't think we can judge his motivation skills too much until he's got his own squad in.

Or when they know they'll be getting their P45s whatever?

 

[hughy]

The performances against Birmingham, Newcastle and Boro don't fall into that category.

Boro does. We created chances, just didn't take them.

 

[Bingy]

We need to bring in some more talent from Europe, as are most of our competitors. The Premiership has moved up a gear with the quality that it now enjoys from abroad. We may cod ourselves but, we are not going to reach 'valhalla' depending of English talent. This is 2008/09 and we need to realize that, quickly. COYS!

 

[thfcsteff]

Wasn't he brought in to turn the Top Four side Jol had failed with into contenders? Or did I get that bit wrong?

Possibly we will see what he can do next season with his own mob in the shirt. But that's rather beside the point, isn't it?

No it isn't beside the point. Indeed, his FIRST remit on arrival was to get us out of the relegation zone (if you remember we were pretty much mired in the shit) and to ensure European qualification (which he did via winning a trophy).

I think you're just being a contrarian 57, and I think you know it Sir!

 

[thfcsteff]

So we are going to sign 10-12 new players in the summer ? Can't see it . The whole purpose of the Director of football structure is to maintain continuity when coaches change. If we need 10-12 new players the system clearly is not working. Or else Comolli should fall on his sword.

My word...

Of course we're not going to sign 10/12 new players. We need to REDUCE the size of the squad!!!!

And I have posted elsewhere on how it sits right now re: DoF, etc...I'll say it again in short.
Juande Ramos works with folks but he makes the decisions on who comes in.
Juande Ramos gets what he wants within the boundaries of reasonability.
If Juande Ramos does not get what he wants, he will likely not stick around. he wants HIS team/squad, no compromises, and he wants it done properly if he's to do his job properly.

Say what you like about the DoF system, given where we were when Ramos came in, he was able to demand the keys to the kingdom because let's face it, we could not really deal with him walking off because he didn't get what he said he needed to do his job properly.

 

[lukespurs7]

It doesn't really matter, our team for next year will be:
Cudicini

Alves Woodgate Ben Haim Bale

Bentley Modric Makoun Ronaldiniho

Eto'o Keane

then it will be so good it won't need motivating.!

 

[AngerManagement]

Wasn't he brought in to turn the Top Four side Jol had failed with into contenders? Or did I get that bit wrong?

Possibly we will see what he can do next season with his own mob in the shirt. But that's rather beside the point, isn't it?

I think that is more of an offical line then the reality of the situation.

In my personal opinion (based on nothing more then what I think) Levy knew the team/squad still needed investment with in terms of some established stars to take us to the next level.

He had come to the conclusion that Jol was a good manager but not good enough for where he planned to take us (he had made his mind up he wanted Ramos a proven winner)

The move for Ramos did not go as smoothly as antisipated and he was forced to start the season with Jol, but held back funds for all but younger players and those he thought would appreciate in value should the next boss not want them.

When he finally got Ramos he spent big money in the first avaible window and has already done so for the next one (and will no doubt do a good deal more)

So I think he had a vision for Spurs as a top team and Jol wasn't a part of that vision, the top four ready squad line added pressure to Jol and made excuses to replace him with the man now wanted.