Match Threads Burnley vs Spurs - Match Thread

[JarBirl]

Not sure I agree with that. Burnley just didn’t allow Son any time and space to pick up the ball and turn. They were also very organised at the back and didn’t give Son a lot of space to run into. I don’t think Kane playing changed that.

We lost that game imo simply because we couldn’t handle their physical approach and failed to move the ball quickly enough when we did get any space to attack.

I still don’t understand the selection of Foyth. An excellent player on the ball, but someone who is not suited at this stage in his career with the way he plays for a team like Burnley. Instead we left out a quick physical defender like Sanchez.

What they probably mean by having Kane distrubted our shape is that having Llorente up top was a better idea next to Son against a team that sits back deep which I agree with.

Llorente himself is not all-around player but he does provide good knock downs/flick ons and also some distraction due to his physicality. Even without much space to work with, Son was previously able to score from them by taking a shot outside the box but this did not happen.

And what we blatently lacked in the first half was pace and control from our midfield. If we pushed on with pace, much like how we played during our last 3-4 league games using Son's pace, we wouldn't have played into their hands the way we did from the beginning. Even if we went into the second half scoreless, we would have still had Harry to come off the bench and he would've most likely scored still.

There was nothing wrong with sticking with the set up with which we won games. Especially our win v. Dortmund showed we had the ability to beat one of the Europe's best. But that sprit was gone, they were nothing like the team we saw that day.

Kane stepped up despite having been away for 6 weeks but the chemistry between players needs to be rebuilt and Poch was naive in thinking Kane would be 100% ready and our players would be able to adopt to the change of style of play straight away especially against a team like Burnley.

It was a gamble and Poch knew it.

 

[dagraham]

What they probably mean by having Kane distrubted our shape is that having Llorente up top was a better idea next to Son against a team that sits back deep which I agree with.

Llorente himself is not all-around player but he does provide good knock downs/flick ons and also some distraction due to his physicality. Even without much space to work with, Son was previously able to score from them by taking a shot outside the box but this did not happen.

And what we blatently lacked in the first half was pace and control from our midfield. If we pushed on with pace, much like how we played during our last 3-4 league games using Son's pace, we wouldn't have played into their hands the way we did from the beginning. Even if we went into the second half scoreless, we would have still had Harry to come off the bench and he would've most likely scored still.

There was nothing wrong with sticking with the set up with which we won games. Especially our win v. Dortmund showed we had the ability to beat one of the Europe's best. But that sprit was gone, they were nothing like the team we saw that day.

Kane stepped up despite having been away for 6 weeks but the chemistry between players needs to be rebuilt and Poch was naive in thinking Kane would be 100% ready and our players would be able to adopt to the change of style of play straight away especially against a team like Burnley.

It was a gamble and Poch knew it.

Yeah good points well made and I definitely agree we should have played it longer at times.

However, Kane can fulfill the target man role too. Just requires his starting position to be further up the pitch ( something I think we’ve been guilty of all season). He’s often played too deep for my liking.

 

[UbeAstard]

OK A few things, Dissatisfied, Disappointed and Disgusted, this is why you go in the Transfer Window and add depth, and stay in as many Competitions as you can so guy's are always on edge ready for the next game , been ages since we played and it showed.

So you don't think we've struggled to break some teams down and rode our luck even when we played more? I disagree with you, cant blame everything on not buying in the transfer window. We have more points than we had in any other premier league season, we're still punching above our weight and would have taken this position at the start of the season.

 

[werty]

Burnley didn't sit back deep. They pressed us a lot, especially in the first half. It wasn't until the last 10 minutes or said half did they stop, which coincided with our best period.

 

[dtxspurs]

Dunno, we played our wingbacks absurdly high when we had the ball (quite often the highest players on the pitch). Think we wanted to either stretch their back four our force the wingers so low that they became a back 6 and give us space in in midfield in front of their defence. With a back three we'd still be 3 v. 2 against their forwards and able to cover their endless balls into the wide channels.

I don't think it was a shabby idea on the drawing board, but I it's only fair to say that Burnley executed their game plan excellently and managed to maintain their shape no matter how we tried to manipulate it.

Think we needed Lamela on from the start as we knew they were going to put 10 men behind the ball. No need for 3 CBs in a game like that.

 

[coys200]

Honestly think this may have been a case of Burnley playing pretty well as opposed to us poorly. Watched the game back and I just think they made it incredibly difficult by defending very well and being superbly organised. In 3 of our last 4 games against them we’ve struggled. Maybe dyche just has pochettino number to a certain degree.

 

[werty]

Think we needed Lamela on from the start as we knew they were going to put 10 men behind the ball. No need for 3 CBs in a game like that.

They didn't put 10 behind the ball, and we were far worse with Lamela (through no fault of his) and two CBs than we were with three.

 

[dtxspurs]

They didn't put 10 behind the ball, and we were far worse with Lamela (through no fault of his) and two CBs than we were with three.

Apologies, maybe they just put 9 behind the ball.

 

[werty]

Apologies, maybe they just put 9 behind the ball.

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I'm sure there are images where we had men behind the ball like that too. It's not like the Newcastle game, or the home game against them where they just sat in their box and waited for us to break them down. The first 20 minutes we could hardly get the ball into their final third. As I said above, the last 10 minutes or so they didn't press as much and that was probably our best period in that half. We went to shit when Lamela came on for Foyth.

 

[shelfboy68]

Honestly think this may have been a case of Burnley playing pretty well as opposed to us poorly. Watched the game back and I just think they made it incredibly difficult by defending very well and being superbly organised. In 3 of our last 4 games against them we’ve struggled. Maybe dyche just has pochettino number to a certain degree.

Probably because poch is limited in his options when the opposition set out their stall we lack the game changers.

 

[Spurs72]

So you don't think we've struggled to break some teams down and rode our luck even when we played more? I disagree with you, cant blame everything on not buying in the transfer window. We have more points than we had in any other premier league season, we're still punching above our weight and would have taken this position at the start of the season.

Adding depth is never a bad thing, I know you did not say it is,but Addindg depth is Important, it may get us over the hump vs Burnley, but now we will never know, We are punching well above our weight I totally agree with you but maybe just maybe if Poch had a few more players he could have called upon, that would have helped us on Saturday and would help us in our upcoming fixtures, I can take it a bit better if we lost to Chelsea or that crap lot down the street, but Burnley, no I am soory and IMHO a few more bodys in the Club may have given Poch a different perspective.

 

[TTID2002]

So not "two full seasons" then.

Don't "spam" me just because you can't do simple maths.

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[UbeAstard]

Don't know why I do it to myself but I've been watching their winning goal over and over and there were so many fuckups

The biggest culprit is Eriksen for being a bit of a pussy in not winning the ball. However, Aurier's clearance was pathetic and then his positional play was also pathetic

I've paused the screen where Eriksen is being a pussy.

Ahead of the ball is woods and Barnes which Toby and vertonghen seem in control.....

You missed Sissoko. When the ball is in the air he needs to challenge with his head and upper body instead of waiting to see where its going to drop.

 

[TTID2002]

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[Dougal]

He also loves seeing comments like this, adding 6 new spam ratings to old posts of yours, and then blocking you.

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[Springerding]

Clear to see the refs are sticking together, your having nowt tonight Poch, some blatant decisions bt mariner

 

[parj]

And now Burnley losing 0-2 to palace at home... You couldn't make this shit up