Birmingham City Vs Tottenham Hotspur: Match Thread

[jonathanhotspur]

If Crouch is so good at heading corners, why doesn't he ever ever score from one?

I heard plenty of us asking the same question after the Blackburn game. Perhaps he doesn't receive as much attention from the opposition when he's defending?

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Everton dominated them in the 2nd half at the bridge so if they can do it there, we can do it at WHL.

Recorded it and will be busy making notes later!:up:

 

[Dannyspur]

I heard plenty of us asking the same question after the Blackburn game. Perhaps he doesn't receive as much attention from the opposition when he's defending?

maybe it's because when you are defending, it doesn't matter which direction you head it, whereas to score, you need to head it in the right direction?

 

[nicdic]

Truth of the matter is, we're still only 3 points behind City but the manner in which we played in the 2nd half was very very dissapointing.

Giving the ball away and not holding it when we had it. There was one passage of play in the second half where we passed it well, the time where it ended with Lennon flicking it with the outside of his boot to Defoe with him not being able to hold off his marker and getting bullied off the ball, it left me wondering why that was the 1st time in the whole of the 2nd half we'd done that.

We let ourselves down today in my opinion.

Gotta say we surely lost the ball the most today with Ekotto... Most of his passing is just too hopeful. Was incredibly fruestrating.

He was fouled.

 

[C0YS]

I would have thought it was fairly obvious but...

11 in three games against crap opposition means his 24 goals last season isn't anything to write home about.

But he still scored, do you want me to shuffle through all the PL players and organise goals against crap opposition and not and see what it comes up with?

Defoe also got injured for a couple of months last season so it would of been more had he been fit.

I think it is better to tally the goals that matter. winners ect. And when it comes to that defoe is quite good. You can't denounce 24 goals as not being "anything to write home about" simply based on the fact that his goals where clumped together against week oposition, a goal tally dosen't work like that. either find a criteria to judge all strikers/footballers on and make your point, or don't make it.

What your saying has little value, he scored 24 goals last season which made him, for that season a 20-25 goal striker (the players who do this regualrly at a major league are half a dozen at most), which is what the whole original response to the post was about, that statistic is undeniable, it happened regardless who some of the goals where against

 

[werty]

If Crouch is so good at heading corners, why doesn't he ever ever score from one?

Didn't he score from one against Sunderland last year?

 

[ajspurs]

He was fouled.

No not that time, I think that was in the centre of the pitch, the one where Lennon flicked it to him but just couldn't reach the return with it not really being too bad because we got the freekick?

The one I'm talking about was on the right side, after having a longer spell on the ball.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

maybe it's because when you are defending, it doesn't matter which direction you head it, whereas to score, you need to head it in the right direction?

You still need to head it in the right direction when you're defending but I know what you're driving at. It's a point I would have made, only I'm not sure how best to word it.

 

[Dannyspur]

Didn't he score from one against Sunderland last year?

How many corners have we had since then?

 

[Dannyspur]

You still need to head it in the right direction when you're defending but I know what you're driving at. It's a point I would have made, only I'm not sure how best to word it.

most times anywhere will do (apart from into the net!)

 

[jonathanhotspur]

most times anywhere will do (apart from into the net!)

Again, I would not go as far as to say that on a forum where people are ridiculed for making spelling mistakes. But I take your point.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

defending set-pieces you just have to head it away kinda diagonally out the box with abit of power

attacking set-pieces you need to be far more accurate and/or powerful

what I wouldn't give for a Berbatov or a Dzeko

 

[jonathanhotspur]

He doesn't attack the fucking ball-that's the thing with him. And he mistimes his jumps.

I had to laugh when he handled the ball today after his shite first touch.

 

[Dannyspur]

Again, I would not go as far as to say that on a forum where people are ridiculed for making spelling mistakes. But I take your point.

:shrug: did I make a spelling mistake?

 

[jonathanhotspur]

:shrug: did I make a spelling mistake?

No. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.

 

[mil1lion]

We didn't learn anything new today. The striker problem is still clear and we dont keep clean sheets without Dawson and King at the back. The difference is, we have the centre backs to sort out the defence, we dont have the strikers to sort out the goals. We're so close to having a consistent team that can win home and away.

Today wasn't a bad result against a Birmingham team with an impressive home record (this season and last season). Arsenal and City both won, but they were both at home. Hopefully they drop points on the road soon enough so we can hopefully close the gap again. We're still on good form atm.

 

[werty]

How many corners have we had since then?

:shrug:

You said he's never scored from one when he's had at least once for us. We generally don't score many from corners anyway.

 

[brett.spurs]

Can't believe we just threw the 3 points away, we trashed them for 75 minutes :bang:

 

[spurs_viola]

Well, commentators on Croatian TV said that it seems Harry didn't notice what's going on in 2nd half. I agree, it was very bad managing. It was ideal time to switch to 451 around 60th minute, our strikers wouldn't score if we played for another 10 games anyway, so it was time to put another midfielder on. But we saw hopeful managing, like hopefully they won't score. Well, they scored.

Well, what seems to be clear for Croatian TV commentators (and many others without Harry-tinted glasses) is unfortunately going to continue as long as the players dig out results, papering over cracks in preparations and tactical approach over the whole match (not just first half) against teams like Brum, Wigan, West Ham etc.

It must be very hard for our creative midfielders to be confident that their play will lead to the strikers scoring when the manager's prefered striker and the most regular starter has scored 1 goal in 16 league games.

People who are determined to argue for Crouch because they see it as defending the "misunderstood unfashionable player" (which makes their defence more fashionable anyway) will always say "he is involved in everything" (really? how is that possible - and wouldn't you rather have a striker who is involved in providing the actual goal threat and scores more than 1 in 16?), "wins headers", "helps out in defence" etc etc.

I would still prefer a forward who can create more goal chances with his better movement and striker's positional awareness, and who does score regularly when given a run of games (I don't count 12-15 min at the end of the game as a proper chance).

 

[ibbz]

Not a bad result, Birmingham are tough, and we came away with a point.
I still think Crouch is not very good, and I'd much rather work at having Pav on and allowing him some time - he scores more than crouch any how. crouch is a useful player to keep though and adds something to the attack.

I see nothing wrong with our strikers, all this talk of berbatov - I detest the sight of him, never would I want this parasitic turd in the Spurs team

It's very close at the top, a defeat for any team changes things considerably.

Let's hope