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hellava_tough

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Over the past couple of months my mates and I have been keenly watching Spurs (what-else are we going to do with our free time) on TV and at WHL, and an interesting if some what controversial debate has arisen. Basically, half of them think Berbatov is the mutt’s nuts, and the other half think that although he’s a player of raw talent, he’s not consistent enough.

So what do I think? Well, on the one hand Berbatov is a very skilful player indeed. He’s got a majestic first touch, close control, skills that make most players envious and great movement around the box. These attributes are obvious for all to see, and there have been many column inches in the papers, and football websites, devoted to the subject. I believe Berbatov is the 3rd best ‘Assister’ in the Premiership (Sky Sports using Opta). I even think that one of the main criticisms of the striker, namely his attitude and possible laziness, isn’t really that valid; as long as you’re producing the goods on the pitch, you can sun-bathe for half the match, for all I care.

However, I do understand why some of my mates criticise the Bulgarian for being inconsistent. How many times does Berbatov go for a high ball and shove the defender in the back, resulting in a free-kick for the opposition? How many times does he try a little flick or a pass that simply fails? How many times does he fail to hit the target with his wayward shooting?

I think the above are valid criticisms, but for me the biggest problem with Berbatov is fitting him into a side with Robbie Keane. WTF I hear many of you cry! The Berbatov/Keane partnership is excellent. Well, it’s good, there’s no doubt in that. The trouble is though that Keane and Berbatov are very similar players; they like to come deep, hold the ball up, look up for a player to pass to, take on players, etc. Neither, however, is a striker that will lead the line, and bang in 25+ league goals a season; a real goal poacher. I feel that Spurs need a striker like that if they want to compete at the highest level. Incidentally, it is for this reason that I don’t think Berbs will go to Manchester United. United already have two players (Rooney, Tevez) who have skills and come deep to collect the ball, just like Berbatov. United are after an out and out goal-scorer, not a skilful ‘forward’.

Ultimately, either Keane OR Berbatov needs to play up-front with an out-and-out goal-scorer. Neither of these players are going to be happy playing second-fiddle, so a choice would have to be made; sell Keane or sell Berbatov. In my opinion, I’d keep Keane because he seems to be more industrious and adds to the team-spirit.

Anyway, what do you guys think? Let the abuse towards me commence!
 

Evolution

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berbatov is World Class and we should do all we can to keep him. Keano is also up there...not quite World Class but not far off it at all. Together they form a very formidable strike force and probably one of the best overall in the Premier League.

My only criticism of the two is that Berba's attitude can sometimes be detrimental to the team when he starts throwing a hissy fit at officials and team mates.

When Berba isn't playing we don't look half as good and to some degree the same can be said of Keano.
 

justfookinhitit

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Put it this way - if Berbatov were to leave then he would improve whichever team he went to. I think that is testament to his ability and what he brings to a team.
 

chrissivad

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Neither, however, is a striker that will lead the line, and bang in 25+ league goals a season; a real goal poacher.

I dont agree, i think ether can get 25+ goals a season.

What i do agree (partly on) is that Berbatov and Keane are simaler types of players. Both can drop deep and both can play up top, and when they intercange during matches it workes realy well. The promel (for me) comes when both drop deep and we are left with no otion going forward, or one gets the flick on and there isn't anyone higher up to try and collect.

This could be due to the midfeild not giving them the servace and both go looking for the ball though. :shrug:
 

idlepete

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I don't think our strike partnership is as limited as you suggest. Either one of them can drop off, either one of them can lead the line. That's better than having a pair who can only do one job each, I reckon.
 

hellava_tough

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Put it this way - if Berbatov were to leave then he would improve whichever team he went to. I think that is testament to his ability and what he brings to a team.

If we take Man Utd as an examle, I think that Berbatov would improve their squad, but not their first 11. That's not to say that he'd be a flop at Man Utd, however.
 

hellava_tough

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I dont agree, i think ether can get 25+ goals a season.

I'll have to disagree with you on this one Chris. Keane is one of the most brilliant and frustrating players to watch. He'll score the sublime, yet miss a one on one, or an easy shot in the 6 yard box. For this reason I think he'll never be an out-and-out goal scorer.

I think Berbatov may have the potential to score 25+, but he'd have to change his game; namely he'd have to stop coming deep, and he'd have to inject an urgency and pace into his game to scare the Bar-Jesus out of opposition defenders.
 

hellava_tough

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berbatov is World Class and we should do all we can to keep him. Keano is also up there...not quite World Class but not far off it at all. Together they form a very formidable strike force and probably one of the best overall in the Premier League.

My only criticism of the two is that Berba's attitude can sometimes be detrimental to the team when he starts throwing a hissy fit at officials and team mates.

When Berba isn't playing we don't look half as good and to some degree the same can be said of Keano.

With regards to your last sentence I agree. However, I would advocate replacing Berbatov with someone who is better for the squad/first 11 as a whole. Basically someone who adds another dimension to our attack.
 

Evolution

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With regards to your last sentence I agree. However, I would advocate replacing Berbatov with someone who is better for the squad/first 11 as a whole. Basically someone who adds another dimension to our attack.

But berbatov is exactly that....Multi Dimensional. He can create, he can score, he can act a a target man, he can smash one in from miles away, he's good in the air...what more could you ask of him ?
 

hellava_tough

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I don't think our strike partnership is as limited as you suggest. Either one of them can drop off, either one of them can lead the line. That's better than having a pair who can only do one job each, I reckon.


Good points; all your chickens in one basket, etc. However, I'd have to disagree with you on Keane. I don't think he can lead the line. His real strengths lie with getting the ball deep, linking the midfield attacking play and driving forward with pace, creating problems for defenders.

As for Berbs, well as said above, I think he may be able to lead the line, but he'd have to change the way he plays.
 

hellava_tough

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But berbatov is exactly that....Multi Dimensional. He can create, he can score, he can act a a target man, he can smash one in from miles away, he's good in the air...what more could you ask of him ?

I know what you're saying. I think for me Berbatov has the POTENTIAL to be multi-dimensional. We see a little of his brilliance everytime he plays, and his raw talent is in no doubt. The trouble is his fantastic skills don't influence a match as much as they should; as much as a world-class player should.
 

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Berbatov would be amazing if he was with a consistant team.
 

hellava_tough

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Berbatov would be amazing if he was with a consistant team.

That's a very good point Taoist. Even though I've started this whole debate as a bit of fun/interesting discussion, it is often hard to judge how good players really are. There are countless examples of players being good, or rather shite, when taken out of one team/system and put into another.

For this reason alone, I find it very hard to simply write off players without having a reasoned study of why they're not performing.
 

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That's a very good point Taoist. Even though I've started this whole debate as a bit of fun/interesting discussion, it is often hard to judge how good players really are. There are countless examples of players being good, or rather shite, when taken out of one team/system and put into another.

For this reason alone, I find it very hard to simply write off players without having a reasoned study of why they're not performing.

could you imagine him in uniteds side, wow.

sometimes i wish, for him, he would leave just to see how good he actually is or can become.
 

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Don't agree with you there, for the reasons above.

of course, sytem wise, you'de never know but the quality of the rest of there team is awesome.

like carrick being back at the lane. would have been great
 

DC_Boy

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I think Berbs is great - he's our best player, easily our most valuable player and a joy to watch - I hope he stays and will be sad if he goes - he is the embodiment of Greaves Ginola and Hoddle - a true spurs artist- and with that penalty became a spurs legend and icon
 

chinaman

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Skillful players like Berbs are at their best with 2 other players of the same wavelength and playing in a triangle. Right now he only has Keane anywhere near him. I'd think that playing Taarabt in central midfield will give us that threesome needed to break up massed defenses with quick triangular one-twos and the option of one of them dribbling through as the other two breaking to either side offering two passing options.
 

nightgoat

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Neither, however, is a striker that will lead the line, and bang in 25+ league goals a season; a real goal poacher. I feel that Spurs need a striker like that if they want to compete at the highest level.

Ultimately, either Keane OR Berbatov needs to play up-front with an out-and-out goal-scorer.

Like Darren Bent, you mean?
 
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