Berahino suffered 'depression' after failed Spurs transfer

[Trix]

Right here's why I think he needs to take responsibility f or what happened, and why I think it was his fault.

He was a model pro previous to our bid. Once it was rejected he started turning up late, refusing to do certain drills, and completely missing team meetings. He was told by his agent we would be making another improved bid and to keep his head down. Instead he went to the chairman and told him he was too good for West Brom and he'd strike if they didn't let him go. Pulis tried to bring him back in but he was having none of it.

When we heard of his behaviour we chose not to bid again.

Now, he may well have suffered with mental health issues because of this and maybe even before, but to go from model pro to absolute dick over one failed bid stinks of a tantrum to me.

And this was all coming from someone who had zero agenda other than what was best for Berahino at the time.

As I've said before mental health issues are serious,but at the same time I think it's become an easy get out for some(and I'm sure it's a very small minority), sometimes you just have to take responsibility for your actions.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Right here's why I think he needs to take responsibility f or what happened, and why I think it was his fault.

He was a model pro previous to our bid. Once it was rejected he started turning up late, refusing to do certain drills, and completely missing team meetings. He was told by his agent we would be making another improved bid and to keep his head down. Instead he went to the chairman and told him he was too good for West Brom and he'd strike if they didn't let him go. Pulis tried to bring him back in but he was having none of it.

When we heard of his behaviour we chose not to bid again.

Now, he may well have suffered with mental health issues because of this and maybe even before, but to go from model pro to absolute dick over one failed bid stinks of a tantrum to me.

And this was all coming from someone who had zero agenda other than what was best for Berahino at the time.

As I've said before mental health issues are serious,but at the same time I think it's become an easy get out for some(and I'm sure it's a very small minority), sometimes you just have to take responsibility for your actions.

Does sound like terrible behaviour. But if you're young and naive you might think that is the way you have to behave to get a move. He will have seen so many media reports of teams not wanting a player to leave, the player acting like a dick and then getting the move. Maybe he just thought that's how it works.

I sometimes find myself being a bit of a diva to my boss and when I reflect I realise I've fallen into the trap of believing life is like the movies and tv.

 

[dontcallme]

To say he had no one around to advise him just wasn't true. I see he at no point does he take any responsibility for what happened.

First part, I didn’t say he had no one to advise him.

Second part is a flat out lie.

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[Nine while nine]

Right here's why I think he needs to take responsibility f or what happened, and why I think it was his fault.

He was a model pro previous to our bid. Once it was rejected he started turning up late, refusing to do certain drills, and completely missing team meetings. He was told by his agent we would be making another improved bid and to keep his head down. Instead he went to the chairman and told him he was too good for West Brom and he'd strike if they didn't let him go. Pulis tried to bring him back in but he was having none of it.

When we heard of his behaviour we chose not to bid again.

Now, he may well have suffered with mental health issues because of this and maybe even before, but to go from model pro to absolute dick over one failed bid stinks of a tantrum to me.

And this was all coming from someone who had zero agenda other than what was best for Berahino at the time.

As I've said before mental health issues are serious,but at the same time I think it's become an easy get out for some(and I'm sure it's a very small minority), sometimes you just have to take responsibility for your actions.

That all seems fair enough and, from a West Brom perspective, you'd have to say that the absolute last thing you could do as a Chairman in this position would be to be seen to give in to tactics such as these.

Which worries me.

There are very few views around which SC, as a Community, coheres. We disagree on our players, on our manager, on our chairman, on our tactics, on politics, on coronavirus strategy, on pretty much everything. One of the very few deeply-held beliefs about various groups and individuals where there was a degree of unanimity was that Jeremy Peace was, and is, a small-time wank-puffin of the first order, as proven by his behaviour in the Berahino saga.

It will be a sad day for all concerned if this turns out to be not wholly based in fact...

 

[Trix]

First part, I didn’t say he had no one to advise him.

Second part is a flat out lie.

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I hadn't read the bbc article was referring the article my comments were based on the article I read in the op.

I can quite believe he's suffered since but my interpretation of the article in the op was he was blaming it all on everything else, but himself.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

We should never have started on that transfer deal in the first place, but I'm sad for him that the whole ordeal had such a big impact. Silver lining is that it's probably in many ways easier for him now that he is based in a predominantly French speaking part of a fairly tolerant European country.

 

[Gbspurs]

If i remember at the time him and Kane were striking up a decent partnership in the u21s and Berahino was looking the better prospect of the two. I can completely imagine that seeing Kane go from strength to strength must hurt and he probably links it all to that opportunity. Mental health is a bitch and something like that can really lead to almost grieving for the life you believe you should have had. Not everyone has the innate ability to pick yourself up and dust yourself off without a strong support network.

 

[dontcallme]

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I hadn't read the bbc article was referring the article my comments were based on the article I read in the op.

I can quite believe he's suffered since but my interpretation of the article in the op was he was blaming it all on everything else, but himself.

So because it wasn’t in one article you saw this as enough to say he has never taken any personal responsibility?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

If i remember at the time him and Kane were striking up a decent partnership in the u21s and Berahino was looking the better prospect of the two. I can completely imagine that seeing Kane go from strength to strength must hurt and he probably links it all to that opportunity. Mental health is a bitch and something like that can really lead to almost grieving for the life you believe you should have had. Not everyone has the inate ability to pick yourself up and dust yourself off without a strong support network.

Yeah I agree. In addition, despite the interview we don't necessarily know the entire story. Maybe being a French speaking African in the English Midlands wasn't all that easy (I mean I know he was there for many years), and maybe fleeing war alone as a kid, I mean, it's possible that there were many mitigating circumstances in his background that caught up with him. Certainly, I don't think calling him "spoilt" is entirely fair.

 

[nailsy]

It sounds like he acted like an idiot and maybe it was knowing that he'd caused his own problems that led to the depression. It can be really hard to recover from something like that, but it sounds like things are improving for him now.

 

[Dr Know]

I think this is an extremely delicate subject. I work in a sector that supports people with mental health. The term “mental health” is so broard, not everyone who suffers with it reacts the same. There are so many people who suffer and nobody actually knows about it, sometimes not even the patient. There are those that suffer in denial and those who suffer in silence through pride (fear of others knowing they have a mental health issue)
With this case it could have been the failed bid was the tipping point to the issue being public. He could have suffered for years and the public knew nothing about it. Maybe he felt that a move may have helped him with this issue (many professionals believe that a change of scenery, people, routine.....can actually help patients)
The one thing I would like to say to my fellow fans on here:
We have had quite a few fellow fans come on here and talk about their sufferings and the response has been overwhelming. My heart goes out to those who suffer and my applause goes out to those who responded to those posters with words of encouragement that brought a tear to my eyes.

It’s ok for people not to understand what someone might be going through. It’s ok to have an opinion about someone who may be suffering but it’s also being a human and opening your minds to what you may not have known.
Rather than getting upset about someone’s opinion, why not try to educate? Rather than sticking to one opinion, why not open your mind to learning?

My fear on this site is those that may be suffering in silence might not feel comfortable speaking out as the responses here might give them a negative view on how people will see them.
It’s Spurs community and believe me, I’ve been on here for some time now and the site is not just about Spurs or football

 

[ginola007]

As a person who had suffered previously from depression, I sympathize with Berahino. Yet I realize for most people, the key to happiness lies within oneself. If we look around, we'd see no matter how terrible we think our problems are, they are insignificant compared to what many others suffer.
In the case of Berahino, if only he had realized how fortunate he was to be a top Premiere League player, and that if he maintained his dedication, another potential big move would surely come, then we would surely be content, serene and happy, rather than lapse into depression. Wish he could salvage whatever left of his career in a big way.

 

[LeParisien]

Presumably shadydan will find himself banned from the itk forums for life now ?????

 

[sausage]

As a person who had suffered previously from depression, I sympathize with Berahino. Yet I realize for most people, the key to happiness lies within oneself. If we look around, we'd see no matter how terrible we think our problems are, they are insignificant compared to what many others suffer.
In the case of Berahino, if only he had realized how fortunate he was to be a top Premiere League player, and that if he maintained his dedication, another potential big move would surely come, then we would surely be content, serene and happy, rather than lapse into depression. Wish he could salvage whatever left of his career in a big way.

Same as Danny Rose though, it seems (who has also spoken of such issues).

There are times in life where a person might choose to simply throw away what opportunities they have in an apparent (loosely defined so as to not cause another upset) 'strop' or 'act of petulance' when they don't get a big move or big contract.

As Mourinho said to Dele, next thing you know *pooof* your playing career is over and you spend maybe the rest of your life even more depressed at taking the time for granted.

I was thinking about this last night, as the FIL (as mentioned elsewhere) is 'due' any day now, and the Mrs was talking about going somewhere in the car with him as a kid (you know, it's dark and Tina Turner is on the radio, and even a 2 mile journey seemed like a long trip). It made me think of my own childhood and that, and although I feel like I've lived a few lives for various different reasons, such things simultaneously seem like such a long time ago, and yet only a moment away. When you're a kid, you want to grow up so fast, when you're a teenager you only want to be an adult, and then before you know it, you wish you could just climb a tree without looking like a fucking lunatic and have no concept at all of what a Prime Minister even was. At times we need to all, perhaps, appreciate 'the moment' we are in and not get too consumed in looking too far ahead. You can get wistful for a moment that has long gone, and you agonise over moments that are now from another lifetime. Next thing you know, you've spent so long looking back that you've not paid any attention to how little time you might have ahead of you.

I can fully appreciate how traumatic that must be for footballers, whose careers are, on average, so short as professional players. That doesn't really excuse how neglectful some of them are with the opportunities though, and you have to hope that the likes of Dele might have heeded the aforementioned advice we saw from Jose on AON, as one day you're Saido Berahino the England-U21 and PL prodigy, subject of a £20m+ bid, then next you're Saido Berahino the Burundi international who plays for someone-or-other in the Belgian league on loan from someone else, and people are saying "shit, I forgot he existed".

 

[Metalhead]

Anyway, what's done is done. He was only in his early 20s at the time and I certainly wasn't very mature at that age. I can understand that it must been a crushing disappointment at the time for him.

 

[Dr Know]

As a person who had suffered previously from depression, I sympathize with Berahino. Yet I realize for most people, the key to happiness lies within oneself. If we look around, we'd see no matter how terrible we think our problems are, they are insignificant compared to what many others suffer.
In the case of Berahino, if only he had realized how fortunate he was to be a top Premiere League player, and that if he maintained his dedication, another potential big move would surely come, then we would surely be content, serene and happy, rather than lapse into depression. Wish he could salvage whatever left of his career in a big way.

I commend you for opening up about your own experience.

Like I said in my previous post, not everyone is affected in the same way. Privilege or having more disposable funds than most people................actually those that suffer who have every support possible are not always realised. There are so many people living on the breadline in a "dead end" job (subjective) go about their daily lives whilst suffering with depression and no one would know. My personal opinion is this is unhealthy. Most people live without realising how well off they are in terms of health or even relative wealth and complain about minor (again subjective) things that may be going on with them.
Even if (which he should have) he has the support and the means to get professional support does not guarantee a resolution to his issue.

It's a really tricky subject and I think we need to tread carefully with our comments as we have so many members on this very forum that we know nothing about.

My post was not meant to call you out but just to add to the bolded comment

 

[stov]

As someone who has battled depression 20 years its sad to see the flippant posts in here on the subject.

 

[Freddie]

As a person who had suffered previously from depression, I sympathize with Berahino. Yet I realize for most people, the key to happiness lies within oneself. If we look around, we'd see no matter how terrible we think our problems are, they are insignificant compared to what many others suffer.
In the case of Berahino, if only he had realized how fortunate he was to be a top Premiere League player, and that if he maintained his dedication, another potential big move would surely come, then we would surely be content, serene and happy, rather than lapse into depression. Wish he could salvage whatever left of his career in a big way.

It's impossible to say but putting all the bits of information we have together it seems that the depression kicked in because he dealt with the situation in an immature fashion. Had he demonstrated more resilience and resolve he could have knuckled down and allowed his talent to earn another opportunity. Maybe he didn't believe in his own talent.

 

[stov]

Right here's why I think he needs to take responsibility f or what happened, and why I think it was his fault.

He was a model pro previous to our bid. Once it was rejected he started turning up late, refusing to do certain drills, and completely missing team meetings. He was told by his agent we would be making another improved bid and to keep his head down. Instead he went to the chairman and told him he was too good for West Brom and he'd strike if they didn't let him go. Pulis tried to bring him back in but he was having none of it.

When we heard of his behaviour we chose not to bid again.

Now, he may well have suffered with mental health issues because of this and maybe even before, but to go from model pro to absolute dick over one failed bid stinks of a tantrum to me.

And this was all coming from someone who had zero agenda other than what was best for Berahino at the time.

As I've said before mental health issues are serious,but at the same time I think it's become an easy get out for some(and I'm sure it's a very small minority), sometimes you just have to take responsibility for your actions.

Depression is self destruction thats the whole point. Your own mind works against you.

 

[Freddie]

Depression is self destruction thats the whole point. Your own mind works against you.

Do you think his own behavior triggered a journey into depression, or was he predisposed towards that path anyway and his behavior was an early symptom of it, and served only to hasten an inevitable path? Genuinely curious to know.