Berahino suffered 'depression' after failed Spurs transfer

[stov]

Do you think his own behavior triggered a journey into depression, or was he predisposed towards that path anyway and his behavior was an early symptom of it, and served only to hasten an inevitable path? Genuinely curious to know.

Impossible to tell. Its far less clear cut than say someone smoking 50 a day and then getting lung cancer.

Self destructive behaviour and depression are closely linked in my view. But its a chicken and egg situation.

 

[rez9000]

To say he had no one around to advise him just wasn't true. When you are given professional advice, choose to completely ignore it and instead throw your toys out the pram because "he knew best" there is no one to blame but yourself. He acted like a total dick throughout, despite both Pulis and his agent trying to help him. He acted like he was Lionel f-ing messi being held against his will.

I see he at no point does he take any responsibility for what happened.

I don't want to make light of Mental health issues because I'm very aware it is very serious.

I also however think that sometimes some people just behave like dicks.

The thing is Trix is that you can be both right and wrong in this scenario.

Did he act like a dick? I don't know for certain, because I have no first-hand knowledge. You do and say that he did. I can accept that and have absolutely no cause to doubt you.

I think, perhaps, what you're doing is conflating cause with effect. No-one acts like a dick because they're dicks. No-one is born a dick. They become dicks through their upbringing, environment and circumstance.

There will have been a reason why he acted like a dick in those circumstances. That's not to excuse, just to explain. But the thing is that the effect of acting like a dick can still be valid even if one is the cause. I think the key is that if there was a way for the younger Berahino to know that his behaviour would have such negaitve outcomes for him and then did it anyway, then one could say he made his bed and should lie in it.

But we're all stupid when young, never mind young and rich and famous. We do stupid things and we pay for them. Ernest Hemingway once wrote:

"The error of youth is to believe that intelligence is a substitute for experience, while the error of age is to believe that experience is a substitute for intelligence."

Experience will have told Berahino to act more wisely. Unfortunately, he didn't have that experience at the time and so one can empathise with his struggles even if he's the cause of them.

 

[littlemandefoe]

I'm a Spurs fan not a fucking bbc reporter! I'm allowed to have opinions, it's just that I sometimes I have more knowledge about what has actually happened than most.

I've been posting ITK for the best part of 10 years on and off, and a lot more behind the scenes through the Gnomes and the goat.

It's comments like this though that are the reason I'm done with it all.

I'm as of now officially out!

See ya

 

[rambu]

As someone who has struggled with mental health (depression and, with age, anxiety) I think it's quite dangerous to make 'being a dick' and 'having depression' mutually exclusive (in fact, its is unhelpful).

Sometimes depression is the result of environmental factors, and sometimes it is the result of self-awareness (whether over-sensitive or not). You can be depressed because you feel like life is against you, but you might feel that way because you have an unrealistic paradigm of how your life should work.

So I completely agree with what you're saying from a personal point of view. I often introspect about how depression affects me. Some times I think there's a very thin line between what people observe as "sulking" and having a depressive episode - with somewhat clinical depression (not just circumstantial) you can have triggers that will really set you back.

Sometimes there are aspects of our personalities that we cannot really control because they are nuances of what makes us us. I can be stubborn and know how to stand up for myself, which is both crucial to not being dragged down by depression, but it is also, often, the cause behind a depressive episode. So, it's completely possible for someone to suffer from depression because of their personality - e.g. being argumentative and then being depressed because you've fallen out with someone and feel like everyone hates you kind of thing. For example, you might have a depressive episode because of something you've done or said, or how you've behaved.

We know that Berahino has had a lot of history with bad choices and such - it's perfectly possible that he was depressed because of the series of events that resulted from his decisions or actions.

Speaking of which, heard about this a few weeks ago, new finds on the subject earlier this year.

Researchers: Virus-derived protein triggers depression

A research team has confirmed that a virus-derived protein holds the key to determining why overfatigue and major stress can lead to depression.
The researchers, from the Jikei University School of Medicine, discovered that the protein dramatically increases the risk of depression. They said that people who have this protein are 12.2 times more likely to develop this mental health problem.
“The fact that overfatigue leads to depression seemed to be self-evident, but actually it has not been verified until now,” said professor Kazuhiro Kondo, who specializes in virology at Jikei University, and was a leading researcher on the team. “We were able to uncover a part of the mechanism of how depression is developed, and we hope that our findings will help reveal the whole mechanism of depression.”
The research team hopes that its findings will lead to developing a blood examination method for diagnosing depression.
The team's findings were published on June 11 in online science magazine iScience, which was established by the U.S. academic publisher Cell Press.
Kondo, who has studied the relationship between fatigue and viruses for many years, had discovered that the human herpes virus type 6 (HHV6) increases sharply in saliva when fatigue builds up.
HHV6 is the virus that causes exanthema subitum, a disease in infants. Almost all people are infected during their infancy, and after that, they carry the latent virus in their bodies.
Normally, the virus remains dormant, but when the body is fatigued, HHV6 is awakened and is present in saliva to escape from the weakening host. Some of the virus reaches and infects the olfactory bulb, the center in the brain connected to the sense of smell, by flowing up from the mouth to the nose.
The research team determined that if reinfection occurs, SITH1 proteins are produced in the olfactory bulb. By their production, excessive calcium flows into brain cells and kill them, which was discovered through experiments using cultured cells and mice.
Furthermore, by the cell deaths in the olfactory bulb, nerve regeneration is restrained at the hippocampus, which controls human memory.
The team conducted an experiment called “depression model,” in which researchers measure the time it takes for mice placed under stress to give up escaping from the situation. Mice that are made to produce the protein at their olfactory bulb by researchers give up earlier than normal mice, and when they were given an antidepressant drug, they recovered to the level of normal mice.
In addition, the team studied the presence of antibodies, which prove the existence of the protein, among 166 blood samples. They were confirmed in 80 percent of patients with depression. Also, those patients have much more of the protein than healthy people.
From these results, the team deduced how depression is developed through overfatigue and stress: HHV6 appears in saliva through overfatigue and so forth; the olfactory bulb is reinfected, producing SITH1; due to SITH1, the state of brain cells changes dramatically at the olfactory bulb, hippocampus and other brain areas; and hypobulia, or lowered ability to make decisions and act, and other symptoms occur.
Kondo discovered the SITH1 protein more than 10 years ago. He playfully named it after the villain Dark Lord of the Sith in the "Star Wars" science fiction film series as it “takes people inside the dark side.”
He came to realize that the SITH1 protein played a role in increasing stress as the more he studied it and holds the key to how depression develops.
“Stress can cause anxiety and fear. These are important causes to developing depression,” Kondo said. “When I realized that, the wise Yoda’s famous words, 'Fear is the path to the dark side,' came to mind.”
Kondo was informed that his latest paper was accepted for publication by iScience on May 4, which is coincidentally recognized as “Star Wars Day.”

Researchers: Virus-derived protein triggers depression | The Asahi Shimbun: Breaking News, Japan News and Analysis

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[Dr Know]

It's impossible to say but putting all the bits of information we have together it seems that the depression kicked in because he dealt with the situation in an immature fashion. Had he demonstrated more resilience and resolve he could have knuckled down and allowed his talent to earn another opportunity. Maybe he didn't believe in his own talent.

My apologies if I have misinterpreted your post.

That is a load of bad opinion. As someone already hinted, depression works in a way that kills your confidence, resilience and nearly every part of your rational thinking that allows you to be able to demonstrate what you're suggesting.
Just imagine that you wake up one day and feel that you can't be the person you was the day before. Your wife/husband/partner who doesn't know that you're suffering expects you to be the person from yesterday. You yourself can't understand why you can't be that person and the result is frustration, which in my opinion is like a vitamin for depression.

Have you ever tried doing something that you've done right all your life but now can't seem to do these days?

Think of Fibromyalgia, back in the day people would be labeled as lazy. No one could understand it (I still don't think we have a good understanding of it). Depression has similarities, some people can't even get out of bed but can't give an explanation as to why.

It's a very delicate subject and people, even those who suffer of have previously suffered with depression will have different opinions and experiences.

 

[nferno]

Another reason to dislike West Brom, ruined this guy’s career in effect*. I’ll take it.

*I do appreciate him acting unprofessionally does mean he has some accountability. But, realistically, was Peace ever going to let him go for anything other than a ridiculously inflated fee? Probably not. Levy is a similar school of brinkmanship but I don’t think he is that bad, and being a player stuck at West Bromwich Albion is a totally different prospect to that at Tottenham Hotspur - let’s be realistic again.

 

[stov]

My apologies if I have misinterpreted your post.

That is a load of bad opinion. As someone already hinted, depression works in a way that kills your confidence, resilience and nearly every part of your rational thinking that allows you to be able to demonstrate what you're suggesting.
Just imagine that you wake up one day and feel that you can't be the person you was the day before. Your wife/husband/partner who doesn't know that you're suffering expects you to be the person from yesterday. You yourself can't understand why you can't be that person and the result is frustration, which in my opinion is like a vitamin for depression.

Have you ever tried doing something that you've done right all your life but now can't seem to do these days?

Think of Fibromyalgia, back in the day people would be labeled as lazy. No one could understand it (I still don't think we have a good understanding of it). Depression has similarities, some people can't even get out of bed but can't give an explanation as to why.

It's a very delicate subject and people, even those who suffer of have previously suffered with depression will have different opinions and experiences.

to continue going to training and playing football while depressed shows earn enormous amount of fortitude and resilience - It's not recognised as for many mental illness is hard to understand - there is no tumour or broken leg.

 

[Locotoro]

My apologies if I have misinterpreted your post.

That is a load of bad opinion. As someone already hinted, depression works in a way that kills your confidence, resilience and nearly every part of your rational thinking that allows you to be able to demonstrate what you're suggesting.
Just imagine that you wake up one day and feel that you can't be the person you was the day before. Your wife/husband/partner who doesn't know that you're suffering expects you to be the person from yesterday. You yourself can't understand why you can't be that person and the result is frustration, which in my opinion is like a vitamin for depression.

Have you ever tried doing something that you've done right all your life but now can't seem to do these days?

Think of Fibromyalgia, back in the day people would be labeled as lazy. No one could understand it (I still don't think we have a good understanding of it). Depression has similarities, some people can't even get out of bed but can't give an explanation as to why.

It's a very delicate subject and people, even those who suffer of have previously suffered with depression will have different opinions and experiences.

Well done for describing exactly what my personal experience is down to a tee. I would never consider myself to act like a dick but when I am in a depressed state I am prone to illogical bouts of self sabotage and the motivation levels I once had disappear like they never existed. I can imagine how to the outside world it would look like me acting like a dick.

The article in the OP is clear in that he realises it was the wrong reaction and he regrets it. As a result his career nosedived and he fell into a depression.

 

[Freddie]

My apologies if I have misinterpreted your post.

That is a load of bad opinion. As someone already hinted, depression works in a way that kills your confidence, resilience and nearly every part of your rational thinking that allows you to be able to demonstrate what you're suggesting.
Just imagine that you wake up one day and feel that you can't be the person you was the day before. Your wife/husband/partner who doesn't know that you're suffering expects you to be the person from yesterday. You yourself can't understand why you can't be that person and the result is frustration, which in my opinion is like a vitamin for depression.

Have you ever tried doing something that you've done right all your life but now can't seem to do these days?

Think of Fibromyalgia, back in the day people would be labeled as lazy. No one could understand it (I still don't think we have a good understanding of it). Depression has similarities, some people can't even get out of bed but can't give an explanation as to why.

It's a very delicate subject and people, even those who suffer of have previously suffered with depression will have different opinions and experiences.

You have misinterpreted it. I don't dispute the almost paralyzing effects of depression but the timeline is important. I don't like people using mental health issues to explain away all their actions when they aren't responsible for them. It's hard to imagine that he was depressed as soon Tottenham's first bid was rejected. He behaved petulantly, and he admits to this much. This to me seems like a choice.

 

[Japhet]

You have misinterpreted it. I don't dispute the almost paralyzing effects of depression but the timeline is important. I don't like people using mental health issues to explain away all their actions when they aren't responsible for them. It's hard to imagine that he was depressed as soon Tottenham's first bid was rejected. He behaved petulantly, and he admits to this much. This to me seems like a choice.

Depression can be triggered very quickly. A traumatic event (e.g. losing a loved one) or a major negative experience can cause a fast spiral. I think Danny Rose's problems occurred during a long injury lay off and he took to giving ill advised interviews to get some attention which he obviously craved at the time. The way those interviews were received pushed him deeper. In Berahino's case I'd imagine he wasn't used to not getting his own way and the suddenly he was denied something he desperately wanted and didn't have the capacity to deal with it. In his case he threw a major strop and effectively shot himself in the foot and scuppered his own career.

 

[Dr Know]

It's hard to imagine that he was depressed as soon Tottenham's first bid was rejected. He behaved petulantly, and he admits to this much. This to me seems like a choice.

It's not that hard for someone who has suffered or is suffering from depression. Have you ever heard the saying "the straw that broke the camel's back"?

Just on case you haven't this is just a quick explanation from the web

"The idiom "the straw that broke the camel's back", alluding to the proverb "it is the last straw that breaks the camel's back", describes the seemingly minor or routine action that causes an unpredictably large and sudden reaction, because of the cumulative effect of small actions"

The bid could have been the straw. Now I'm not in the guy's head so I can't say for certain that this is the case but it's a possibility that we need to consider. the way I see it is, why would a guy that has a dream job (I'm guessing here) earning in a week what most of us earn in a year or even longer play the mental health card?

Having everything in life does not mean someone will not act petulant and may be you're absolutely correct. The only point I've been advocating here is we need to be careful with our opinions as there may be many on this site who may suffer from depression and will feel that type of comment will be labeled on them hence preventing them from getting the much needed help and support

 

[Freddie]

It's not that hard for someone who has suffered or is suffering from depression. Have you ever heard the saying "the straw that broke the camel's back"?

Just on case you haven't this is just a quick explanation from the web

"The idiom "the straw that broke the camel's back", alluding to the proverb "it is the last straw that breaks the camel's back", describes the seemingly minor or routine action that causes an unpredictably large and sudden reaction, because of the cumulative effect of small actions"

The bid could have been the straw. Now I'm not in the guy's head so I can't say for certain that this is the case but it's a possibility that we need to consider. the way I see it is, why would a guy that has a dream job (I'm guessing here) earning in a week what most of us earn in a year or even longer play the mental health card?

Having everything in life does not mean someone will not act petulant and may be you're absolutely correct. The only point I've been advocating here is we need to be careful with our opinions as there may be many on this site who may suffer from depression and will feel that type of comment will be labeled on them hence preventing them from getting the much needed help and support

Thanks for explaining what the camel thing meant. There's nothing to suggest there were any straws before this one though, either based on what we know or what he's said. So to attribute someone's behaviour to it is also unhelpful. I don't think we can go about giving everyone a pass for their dick-headedness. If his behaviour wasn't within his control then he might not have expresses such regret about it. And also, I didn't say he played the mental health card. I didn't question IF he was depressed.