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Benjamin Stambouli signs for PSG

tdk101

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If we bought him for £4m and sell on for £5.6m a year later barely having featured, you can only presume we'll be 'treated' to more investment signings like him and Holtby in the future, it's a better rate of return for Danny boy than putting it in the bank or into property.
Considering the wages paid, it probably just about breaks even.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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If Poch doesn't intend to play him, and he have had numerous chances to do this season, then yes, it really is important to sell him. Keeping players for the sake of it just breeds disruptive influinfluences
If he was the first, or among the first, CM(s) to leave. Then fair point.
He is not though.
Our squad and wage bill are too big, and Veljkovic is probably now able to offer a comparable contribution to he did last season
In general yes, but only fixing salary and squad size cannot be the reason for this specific deal. After the sale of Holtby, Capoue, Paulinho & Stambouli, there must be somebody incoming specifically for CM. I'm good with replacing those 4 with 1. That's in line with what you are pointing out. (Which, to be fair, is a point we talked about also yesterday). I'm not good with this 4th deal at a low fee and a small profit only, unless that 1 guy is coming in.

Considering the wages paid, it probably just about breaks even.
Of course it's not a break even taking into account the cost of having had Stambouli employed for a year.
 

SHaRD

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In general yes, but only fixing salary and squad size cannot be the reason for this specific deal. After the sale of Holtby, Capoue, Paulinho & Stambouli, there must be somebody incoming specifically for CM. I'm good with replacing those 4 with 1. That's in line with what you are pointing out. (Which, to be fair, is a point we talked about also yesterday). I'm not good with this 4th deal at a low fee and a small profit only, unless that 1 guy is coming in.

We are still overburdened with CMs. We probably want 4 core ones - Bentaleb, Mason, Alli and a new incomer. That still leaves us Carroll and Dembele surplus to requirements. There's also Winks and Veljkovic coming through in that position
 

Everlasting Seconds

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We are still overburdened with CMs. We probably want 4 core ones - Bentaleb, Mason, Alli and a new incomer. That still leaves us Carroll and Dembele surplus to requirements. There's also Winks and Veljkovic coming through in that position
Names names names. I think we all know who we've got and where they can play. I also think we all know that everybody of those you just mentioned will not be with us for next season (inclusive of possible loans.
My one and only, quite simple point is, after having sold 4 midfielders, Stambouli being the last of them, I really do expect there to be 1 great incoming for that position.
 

worcestersauce

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If there's truth in this PSG talk then I'd suggest it is the right thing to do, we bought him last year, we hardly played him last season and we are not going to play him this season yet he has been the model professional in his time here, he's earned it.
Sometimes you should do the right thing and rats to the revenue, the return on investment or any possible loss, which will not be much anyway.
 

Spursidol

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5.6M pounds. Was selling him really that important. There better be a snazzy CM lined up.

Yes, very important as despite the sales we are still overloaded with good CM's with technical skills, even if slightly light on PL experience.

Clear that last season after hanging on for Schneiderlein until it was obvious he wasn't moving to us, Stambouli was the back up option. Nothing wrong with him as a back up option, but think he's less of a player than Poch had hoped and he's not kicked on.

We've plenty of CM's coming through the youth set up who look to have a much higher potential than Stambouli, so no point in hanging on to him.

I think its likely we'll have a good experienced CM coming in as its a risk not bringing one in - but no point in bringing in a CM who isn't top class (and the likes of McCarthy are borderline for me - I have high standards).

If we cannot bring in a top class CM, I think the combination of Bentaleb, Mason (last season's CM pairing) reinforced by Carroll (PL experience with Swansea and good at unpicking teams playing deep), Alli (who ITK says has surprised experienced players in training) plus Veljkovic (who's was higher rated than Bentaleb 2 years ago and has been ready for PL for 18 months, not played because we had too many expensive but mediocre CM's) - so that's 5 CM's - will probably be fine, although lacking in experience, and that's the risk Poch will be evaluating against bringing in the CM.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Yes, very important as despite the sales we are still overloaded with good CM's with technical skills, even if slightly light on PL experience.

Clear that last season after hanging on for Schneiderlein until it was obvious he wasn't moving to us, Stambouli was the back up option. Nothing wrong with him as a back up option, but think he's less of a player than Poch had hoped and he's not kicked on.

We've plenty of CM's coming through the youth set up who look to have a much higher potential than Stambouli, so no point in hanging on to him.

I think its likely we'll have a good experienced CM coming in as its a risk not bringing one in - but no point in bringing in a CM who isn't top class (and the likes of McCarthy are borderline for me - I have high standards).

If we cannot bring in a top class CM, I think the combination of Bentaleb, Mason (last season's CM pairing) reinforced by Carroll (PL experience with Swansea and good at unpicking teams playing deep), Alli (who ITK says has surprised experienced players in training) plus Veljkovic (who's was higher rated than Bentaleb 2 years ago and has been ready for PL for 18 months, not played because we had too many expensive but mediocre CM's) - so that's 5 CM's - will probably be fine, although lacking in experience, and that's the risk Poch will be evaluating against bringing in the CM.
I agree in everything you are saying, apart from one difference. If we can't bring in a top class CM, I personally would have kept Stambouli for one more season.
 

Spursidol

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I agree in everything you are saying, apart from one difference. If we can't bring in a top class CM, I personally would have kept Stambouli for one more season.

Its certainly not a bad option, but think he doesn't have the necessary experience. Think Poch has gone for keeping Dembele as he has more experience, even though he doesn't play like the CM we want does.
 

yanno

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Clear that last season after hanging on for Schneiderlein until it was obvious he wasn't moving to us, Stambouli was the back up option. Nothing wrong with him as a back up option, but think he's less of a player than Poch had hoped and he's not kicked on.

We've plenty of CM's coming through the youth set up who look to have a much higher potential than Stambouli, so no point in hanging on to him.

I agree. I think Stambouli was the back-up option to MS, and crucially was available for a cheapish fee last summer.

Then Poch and our coaches were able to watch him in training and in games for a full season, and presumably decided he wasn't quite what we needed and didn't have enough potential to be a project to spend another season developing.

We know from the Schneiderlin interviews last summer that Poch added lots of things to MS's game, even down to his body positioning to block off passing options in defensive situations. If Poch thought Stambouli could do the job we need, we wouldn't be letting him go for £5-6 million, which is nothing for a top flight CM these days, and looking to trigger Mario Suarez's £8 million release clause.

He always gave his all, and I wish Stambouli well at PSG, where he will likely be a deep squad player.
 

Blackcanary

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L'equipe saying this will be done tomorrow. 9 million euros, 5 year contract.

Guess he'll go straight out to join them at their pre-season camp in NY.

ETA: Suggestion he'll go the states directly for his medical.
 
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THFCSPURS19

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L'equipe saying this will be done tomorrow. 9 million euros, 5 year contract.

Guess he'll go straight out to join them at their pre-season camp in NY.
I'd expect us to really get a move on with signing a DM when we sell him. The whole Stambouli thing has been so strange.

His transfer is announced about an hour after our initial interest was even reported, he then gets barely played by Pochettino, indicating he didn't really want him, and now he's being sold after one season despite not being too bad.

Weird. I mean, what was the point in the first place?
 

branchie

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I'd expect us to really get a move on with signing a DM when we sell him. The whole Stambouli thing has been so strange.

His transfer is announced about an hour after our initial interest was even reported, he then gets barely played by Pochettino, indicating he didn't really want him, and now he's being sold after one season despite not being too bad.

Weird. I mean, what was the point in the first place?


Levy just can't help himself .... ;)
 
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