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Nerine

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Is anyone still Levy out?! lol

If this all blows up as big as it could, DL deserves HUGE credit. He saw all this coming years ago and has positioned us accordingly. If it all goes as it looks to be doing, it's a masterstroke of planning and economics.
 
GMI

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Nerine said:
Is anyone still Levy out?! lol

If this all blows up as big as it could, DL deserves HUGE credit. He saw all this coming years ago and has positioned us accordingly. If it all goes as it looks to be doing, it's a masterstroke of planning and economics.
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The importance of getting the £100 million for Kane is now even more apparent. Plenty were happy to keep him this season and let him leave for free in the summer. That £100m sale for an academy player is helping us rebuild within the confines of FFP.
 
vegassd

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Japhet said:
I don't think those arguments will hold much water when the time comes. Chelsea have paid through the nose for some proper dross too but I don't think anyone would accept that as an extenuating factor either. I think they'll get butchered in the summer personally with clubs well aware they have to sell at whatever price or face the consequences. I'd also add that they've had the 1.5 billion Abramovic 'lent' them written off and are still in the shit regardless. It's quite pathetic when you think about it.
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I'm totally with you in terms of those arguments being shite when it comes to what Chelsea have done. I just imagine that those judgements are going to set a precedent, which from my limited understanding is a huge deciding factor when you get into the legal nitty gritty.

There is a universe in which Chelsea stormed to victory across the board and people would look at Boehly's strategy as a masterstroke etc. etc. Thankfully we aren't living in that universe!! The bottom line is, Boehly took a huge risk with the plan of leveraging the future against the present, and it simply hasn't worked for him.

I remember a couple of seasons back when they lost Rudiger and Christensen for free, then spent £120m replacing them with Fofana and Koulibaly. Plenty of folks looked at a net spend of £120m and claimed Chelsea were "ambitious" or whatever, but the reality was they were spunking money up the wall. Like you say, it's pathetic. Their transfer business under Boehly has been embarassing.
 
Impspur1

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easley91 said:
Because if nobody is spending then deadline days are boring. Without it they can't generate the views, clicks and hits like they used to. Being honest it was as dull a deadline as I can remember, even on here it was dead quiet until the Bergvall stuff at the end (which is irrelevant because he won't come until the summer).

SSN and the like need major spending and lots of big transfers to keep their aura. Without it nobody cares.
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It was the first deadline day I didn’t spend refreshing my phone. I think that is about the state of the team and club right now, calm and well run with a good plan which removes the panic deadline day used to bring
 
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Nerine said:
Is anyone still Levy out?! lol

If this all blows up as big as it could, DL deserves HUGE credit. He saw all this coming years ago and has positioned us accordingly. If it all goes as it looks to be doing, it's a masterstroke of planning and economics.
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I’m a levy supporter. And whilst this January window points to a promising future, I’m not going to get too carried away.
I think the point deduction for Everton has given a reason for teams to pause their spending. But when City escape any meaningful punishment, then I expect the elite owners will carry on spending.
Also the revenue that Spurs generate through the stadium can and likely will be replicated by other clubs soon.
That is not to take anything away from Levy.
Levy has always been brilliant in his department. I just have no faith that the FA/ Premier league/ FIFA/ UEFA will “bite the hand that feeds them” and stop investment into football.
 
McFlash

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GMI said:
The importance of getting the £100 million for Kane is now even more apparent. Plenty were happy to keep him this season and let him leave for free in the summer. That £100m sale for an academy player is helping us rebuild within the confines of FFP.
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Yeah, I was all for keeping him for another season and letting him go on a free, thinking that we weren't really losing anything but when ffp and all that comes into play, it was a good idea to sell when we did.

Another example of us as fans thinking with our hearts, not our heads.
 
Impspur1

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I’m mindful of re writing history as there were windows we were left woefully short. FFP has definitely helped with the way Levy works. That’s said we are cooking now and he deserves credit for that
 
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Hotspur33 said:
I’m a levy supporter. And whilst this January window points to a promising future, I’m not going to get too carried away.
I think the point deduction for Everton has given a reason for teams to pause their spending. But when City escape any meaningful punishment, then I expect the elite owners will carry on spending.
Also the revenue that Spurs generate through the stadium can and likely will be replicated by other clubs soon.
That is not to take anything away from Levy.
Levy has always been brilliant in his department. I just have no faith that the FA/ Premier league/ FIFA/ UEFA will “bite the hand that feeds them” and stop investment into football.
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I dont think they will to the extent of building from scratch. Dont think anyone has that appetite for the billion plus cost.

We stole a march on the NFL games with the pitch, which lends itself to Boxing and concerts. Now we've got the F1 drive. If anything Levy will keep pushing the envelope and simply build on what we've got.
 
vegassd

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Hotspur33 said:
I think the point deduction for Everton has given a reason for teams to pause their spending. But when City escape any meaningful punishment, then I expect the elite owners will carry on spending.
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The City case will be different because it's not strictly about what they spent on players... it's more about them not being clear about what they were doing and not cooperating with investigations. Trickier stuff to prove and there will be loads of fighting from City's side.

If Chelsea get away with stuff that will be a different story. It's hard to see any scenario where Chelsea aren't seen as being in breach of the £105m cap, and the severity of their punishment is going to be viewed in relation to Everton's 10 point deduction, plus whatever happens next for Everton and Forrest.

Let's say Chelsea are found to have broken the limit by 10 times as much as Everton for example, are they given a 100 point deduction? Will there be a maximum points deduction created? Will they follow this idea of 6 points + 1 point per £5m breach?

Then what happens if they break the limit again the following season? Does the punishment get greater, or is it reduced if they are moving in the right direction? There will be precedents set by Everon, Forrest and probably then Chelsea, and those will then dictate what club owners feel they can get away with I reckon. Let's hope the punishments are fair but not just a rap on the knuckles.
 
Japhet

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vegassd said:
The City case will be different because it's not strictly about what they spent on players... it's more about them not being clear about what they were doing and not cooperating with investigations. Trickier stuff to prove and there will be loads of fighting from City's side.

If Chelsea get away with stuff that will be a different story. It's hard to see any scenario where Chelsea aren't seen as being in breach of the £105m cap, and the severity of their punishment is going to be viewed in relation to Everton's 10 point deduction, plus whatever happens next for Everton and Forrest.

Let's say Chelsea are found to have broken the limit by 10 times as much as Everton for example, are they given a 100 point deduction? Will there be a maximum points deduction created? Will they follow this idea of 6 points + 1 point per £5m breach?

Then what happens if they break the limit again the following season? Does the punishment get greater, or is it reduced if they are moving in the right direction? There will be precedents set by Everon, Forrest and probably then Chelsea, and those will then dictate what club owners feel they can get away with I reckon. Let's hope the punishments are fair but not just a rap on the knuckles.
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Chelsea just gave the middle finger to FFP. City on the other hand tried to hide what they were doing in a very cynical and underhand way. I don't see one as being better or worse than the other tbh.
 
Dazza86

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Other clubs making upgrades or building entirely new stadiums are also doing so in a totally different economic environment right now. The interest rates and insurances they'll need to undertake those projects will be vastly more expensive than we paid, and that's also not considering we're now a few years down the road of paying debts down.

They'll either have to wait a few years until money is cheap again, or do so with debts that are considerable in comparison.
 
SirHarryHotspur

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Hotspur33 said:
Also the revenue that Spurs generate through the stadium can and likely will be replicated by other clubs soon.
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Highly unlikely for most clubs , in England only Man U post higher matchday income than Spurs but when you have a look at their accounts they include all sorts of revenue in their "matchday receipts" that Spurs account for separately.
Just compare Spurs with so called mega rich Newcastle , matchday receipts at St James for year ending June 23 was £37.7 million , in Spurs last accounts matchday football revenue was £106.1 million and that doesn't include other revenue from events at the stadium like NFL , concerts etc which was £31.9 million , our non football revenue not that far behind Newcastle's for football with regular 52,000 crowds.

Those Saudi owners will have to work an awful lot of creative accounting to inject any money into Newcastle to satisfy FFP/PSR.
 
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Impspur1 said:
It was the first deadline day I didn’t spend refreshing my phone. I think that is about the state of the team and club right now, calm and well run with a good plan which removes the panic deadline day used to bring
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Even though Lange and Munn haven’t been in the building for a long time we obviously had planned well so we were able to get our business done early and then we were happy with our squad. No panic buying needed on deadline day and we started planning for the summer.
 
robotsonic

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SirHarryHotspur said:
Highly unlikely for most clubs , in England only Man U post higher matchday income than Spurs but when you have a look at their accounts they include all sorts of revenue in their "matchday receipts" that Spurs account for separately.
Just compare Spurs with so called mega rich Newcastle , matchday receipts at St James for year ending June 23 was £37.7 million , in Spurs last accounts matchday football revenue was £106.1 million and that doesn't include other revenue from events at the stadium like NFL , concerts etc which was £31.9 million , our non football revenue not that far behind Newcastle's for football with regular 52,000 crowds.

Those Saudi owners will have to work an awful lot of creative accounting to inject any money into Newcastle to satisfy FFP/PSR.
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Not to mention, you could build the world's most cool and advanced stadium that seats 100,000 in Newcastle...but it's still in Newcastle whatever you do with it. You'll *never* make as much money with it as in London.

Number of clubs with even so much as a half-baked plan to build a stadium that comes half-way close to what we have within 250miles of us?:

Zero.
 
mil1lion

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Basically those who it doesn't benefit are the ones who voted against it. The sooner we get City and Chelsea out of the league the better. Maybe we can finally get the more level playing field this great league deserves.
 
Tucker

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mil1lion said:
Basically those who it doesn't benefit are the ones who voted against it. The sooner we get City and Chelsea out of the league the better. Maybe we can finally get the more level playing field this great league deserves.
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At a guess the ones voting against would be Chelsea, City, Newcastle, Sheffield United, Manchester United, and either Everton, Wolves or Villa.
 
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