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jebratt · May 28, 2023

After today, we can only hope that things progress a little quicker as far as sounding out candidates who are currently employed...What continues to be rather intriguing is that we appear to be leaning towards hiring a manager first and then recruiting a DoF afterwards which makes even more strange that we are not considering Nagelsmann since one would think this would be the natural order of events if he was candidate (bring in a DoF that he wants to work with)...

Tucker · May 28, 2023

This is probably one for the controversial opinions thread, but I think we probably need someone who’s not going to challenge Levy or be at odds with him.

Yes yes I know I know, Levy bad. But he’s not going anywhere. So we need someone who’s going to be able to work under him.

Having someone there who’s going to throw a fit and refuse to play “club signings” out of spite isn’t going to be any more successful than a “yes man” who tries his best to play the hand he’s dealt.

fishhhandaricecake · May 28, 2023

jebratt said:
We can agree with having a clear vision but I think Levy does need to be challenged when it comes to player recruitment because I am not sure he has the knowledge (or competence) of building a cohesive team...

But he won’t be, it would be the manager and DofF and Levy has final sign off, yes Levy needs to step back a bit but with Munn a new DofF and a new Manager all with a clearly aligned vision then it should be easier for Levy to sign off on players if that makes sense.

PaulThurston · May 28, 2023

Tucker said:
This is probably one for the controversial opinions thread, but I think we probably need someone who’s not going to challenge Levy or be at odds with him.

Yes yes I know I know, Levy bad. But he’s not going anywhere. So we need someone who’s going to be able to work under him.

Having someone there who’s going to throw a fit and refuse to play “club signings” out of spite isn’t going to be any more successful than a “yes man” who tries his best to play the hand he’s dealt.

I've been sitting here today thinking exactly the same thing.

jebratt · May 28, 2023

For those like me who are rather negative, one thing to consider is how quickly things can turnaround if the right manager is hired and properly supported as it was not that long ago that Manchester United appeared to be a bigger mess than us...

homer hotspur · May 28, 2023

jebratt said:
After today, we can only hope that things progress a little quicker as far as sounding out candidates who are currently employed...What continues to be rather intriguing is that we appear to be leaning towards hiring a manager first and then recruiting a DoF afterwards which makes even more strange that we are not considering Nagelsmann since one would think this would be the natural order of events if he was candidate (bring in a DoF that he wants to work with)...

If it is really quiet all week, that may indicate we have something going with Ange but will have to wait for their cup final

fishhhandaricecake · May 28, 2023

Tucker said:
This is probably one for the controversial opinions thread, but I think we probably need someone who’s not going to challenge Levy or be at odds with him.

Yes yes I know I know, Levy bad. But he’s not going anywhere. So we need someone who’s going to be able to work under him.

Having someone there who’s going to throw a fit and refuse to play “club signings” out of spite isn’t going to be any more successful than a “yes man” who tries his best to play the hand he’s dealt.

Exactly this mate.

Poch worked with him, Redknapp the same to an extent.

Levy doesn’t decide the signings anyway but he will likely push younger players with sell on value and that’s fine if we get a coach who outlines a formation and style and blueprint that can accommodate for younger players.

Tbh Conte probably should’ve played Spence more but if Conte didn’t want him we shouldn’t have signed him but then again if Conte wasn’t willing to work with younger prospects then we shouldn’t have hired him…

It’s all related.

This is why if we can’t get Naglesmann or Big Ange or the few other remaining better candidates and given Poch, De Zerbi, Amorim, Slot, L.Enrique are seemingly out of the running or ‘not being considered’ then that is where Mason and his vision and ability to work ‘with’ Levy could come into his favour as opposed to say hiring Rodgers or Potter etc.

jebratt · May 28, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
But he won’t be, it would be the manager and DofF and Levy has final sign off, yes Levy needs to step back a bit but with Munn a new DofF and a new Manager all with a clearly aligned vision then it should be easier for Levy to sign off on players if that makes sense.

We can hope that Levy is willing to hire competent individuals and allow them to do their job... I do not have any knowledge of Paratici but it seemed that he did enjoy Levy's trust when it came to player recruitment...

olithfc · May 28, 2023

Times up now for patience

every day that goes by with the two jobs vacant exposes utter incompetency. Season over, no excuse

fishhhandaricecake · May 28, 2023

jebratt said:
For those like me who are rather negative, one thing to consider is how quickly things can turnaround if the right manager is hired and properly supported as it was not that long ago that Manchester United appeared to be a bigger mess than us...

mate this is why I was so gutted about Slot as he ticked all the right boxes and gave off the feeling that he could turn us around big time, we are now running out of candidates who feel like that but there are still some who given some control and a decent pre season to sort the squad out could have us looking a lot better and with no Europe next season the new manager will have a lot of time on the training ground to implement his new tactics which could be a very good thing.

rossdapep · May 28, 2023

ntmac82 said:
Mason should be nowhere near the conversation for being the permanent manager. It's a cheap option for Levy.

I see it differently. It's an expensive option for Levy!

Fans will be furious and plenty will not renew season tickets as it shows no ambition.
It has more possibility of going very awry. Which means no European money etc etc.
May be harder to attract players.
Mason will probably want to kick out at least 8 players.

So it won't be cheap and it'll be very risky.

Cheap for Levy is 'safe'.

Bigger name coach, less change around, short-term gain.

Guntz · May 28, 2023

jebratt said:
For those like me who are rather negative, one thing to consider is how quickly things can turnaround if the right manager is hired and properly supported as it was not that long ago that Manchester United appeared to be a bigger mess than us...

True.

But Man Utd backed their new manager with £200m+ of signings to suit his system.

Can you honestly see Levy doing the same? Or will the new manager be asked to work with Dier, Davies, Sanchez, Lenglet, etc...

fishhhandaricecake · May 28, 2023

rossdapep said:
I see it differently. It's an expensive option for Levy!

Fans will be furious and plenty will not renew season tickets as it shows no ambition.
It has more possibility of going very awry. Which means no European money etc etc.
May be harder to attract players.
Mason will probably want to kick out at least 8 players.

So it won't be cheap and it'll be very risky.

Cheap for Levy is 'safe'.

Bigger name coach, less change around, short-term gain.

Spot on

Hiring Mason would be very risky and people saying it’s a ‘cheap’ get out option is bs, Levy spent tons of wages on Conte & Jose, hiring Mason would actually be a very brave option not ‘cheap’.

rossdapep · May 28, 2023

Tucker said:
This is probably one for the controversial opinions thread, but I think we probably need someone who’s not going to challenge Levy or be at odds with him.

Yes yes I know I know, Levy bad. But he’s not going anywhere. So we need someone who’s going to be able to work under him.

Having someone there who’s going to throw a fit and refuse to play “club signings” out of spite isn’t going to be any more successful than a “yes man” who tries his best to play the hand he’s dealt.

It's probably why we are seeing certain names getting crossed off the list.

As soon as they say they want control over certain things Levy breaks out in a cold sweat recalling Conte and Jose so turns away.

night-watchman · May 28, 2023

I know a lot of you will be disappointed with Ange and understandably so. He isn't a big name, comes from a tinpot league, isn't young (or bald for that matter), his nationality isn't from footballing pedigree, he doesn't look good in high-end knitwear...the list goes on.

But he has been my clear no. 1 pick from the start, he is a shockingly good manager and imo the perfect guy for the job, not least of all because he really does galvanize an entire club with his force of personality.

There are a few others I have seen on here who also seemed to be clued in on him. What I am utterly convinced of is he will transform us into an exciting attacking team very quickly - his teams play scintillating football and at the very least will get everyone enjoying watching the team play again.

rossdapep · May 28, 2023

fishhhandaricecake said:
Spot on

Hiring Mason would be very risky and people saying it’s a ‘cheap’ get out option is bs, Levy spent tons of wages on Conte & Jose, hiring Mason would actually be a very brave option not ‘cheap’.

I'm not for one second saying Mason should get the gig cause I'd opt for Gallardo, Nagelsmann or Amorim over him.

However, the benefits COULD BE huge.

Mason knows what is required at the club, he knows the exact kind of character we need and will want to head in the right direction in terms of playing style.
I think he'd opt for young players who are breaking through and look to mould a team similar to how Poch did but around the brilliance and experience of Kane. Bit like England.

I do think Mason has a bright future BUT he has a long way to go. That would mean we'd have to be very very patient as we'd have some very bad periods but there would be green shoots.

And when I say patient, I mean 2-3 years. It would be very similar to Arteta at Arsenal.

It would be painful and there will be plenty of moments where we'd have to resist firing him. But the upturn could be great and we could get our Tottenham back.

jebratt · May 28, 2023

Guntz said:
True.

But Man Utd backed their new manager with £200m+ of signings to suit his system.

Can you honestly see Levy doing the same? Or will the new manager be asked to work with Dier, Davies, Sanchez, Lenglet, etc...

You have a point but I am hopeful that if we appoint the right people, we will not have to spend that much... Perhaps that is being unrealistic when considering all of our current needs but I feel a competent DoF and manager can get the best of some of our current squad while also unearthing some gems...

fishhhandaricecake · May 28, 2023

night-watchman said:
I know a lot of you will be disappointed with Ange and understandably so. He isn't a big name, comes from a tinpot league, isn't young (or bald for that matter), his nationality isn't from footballing pedigree, he doesn't look good in high-end knitwear...the list goes on.

But he has been my clear no. 1 pick from the start, he is a shockingly good manager and imo the perfect guy for the job, not least of all because he really does galvanize an entire club with his force of personality.

There are a few others I have seen on here who also seemed to be clued in on him. What I am utterly convinced of is he will transform us into an exciting attacking team very quickly - his teams play scintillating football and at the very least will get everyone enjoying watching the team play again.

Couldn’t agree more

Everyone it entitled to their opinion ofc but for those of us who know what Big Ange is about we know it’s not as much of a risk as people are saying.

Also after Conte, Nuno, Jose surely everyone agrees that style of play and the character of the new manager and their fit for the club and possibility to build a positive new ‘project’ are the 4 most important things, well Big Ange ticks all of those boxes.

Tbh Mason ticks 3/4 of those big time too as much as some will disagree on Mason, he has such a positive attitude and such a clear vision for the club and team and he’s completely

aligned on how the style of play should be.

What we absolutely can’t do is hire another dull, negative defensive uninspiring manager it will lead to even more toxicity and chaos when we absolutely need freshness and positivity.

fishhhandaricecake · May 28, 2023

rossdapep said:
I'm not for one second saying Mason should get the gig cause I'd opt for Gallardo, Nagelsmann or Amorim over him.

However, the benefits COULD BE huge.

Mason knows what is required at the club, he knows the exact kind of character we need and will want to head in the right direction in terms of playing style.
I think he'd opt for young players who are breaking through and look to mould a team similar to how Poch did but around the brilliance and experience of Kane. Bit like England.

I do think Mason has a bright future BUT he has a long way to go. That would mean we'd have to be very very patient as we'd have some very bad periods but there would be green shoots.

And when I say patient, I mean 2-3 years. It would be very similar to Arteta at Arsenal.

It would be painful and there will be plenty of moments where we'd have to resist firing him. But the upturn could be great and we could get our Tottenham back.

Agree

on all of this mate.

Tbh we will need to be patient whoever we hire to get back to where we want to be, I’m with you Mason isn’t my first choice, he’s not even in my top 5 but given 3/4 of my top5 look very unlikely I’m starting to now think given the potential upside that Mason will need to be considered.

jebratt · May 28, 2023

With the recent discussion lately, would people prefer Mason over Ange?

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