The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

Buggsy61 · Apr 28, 2023

dontcallme said:
Is anyone else getting the feeling that the fan base as a whole just isn’t behind getting Levy out?

There appears to be a slight increase of anti-ENIC sentiment in the stadium but not huge.

The protests outside organised by the likes of “The Rabbi” aren’t getting numbers. The Change For Tottenham group was a joke.

It just doesn’t feel like the sentiment by the fan base as a whole is there where they want to change the board or get rid of Levy.

Its a difficult question and it is very hard to come up with a majority view of the fanbase, which in my opinion has definitely changed over the years, and with the opening of new stadium.
There are more middle class families now, plus a huge rump of day tripper tourists e.g Korea. By their very nature they are not the sort of people to be outside screaming and shouting alongside a bare chested 'Rabbi'. Others would rather have that last beer in the pub as part of their matchday ritual than join a street demo - I guess you could call that apathy.
After 22 years there is also perhaps an element of stockholm syndrome with Levy, but discontent is definitely growing. I saw the light when he sacked a serial winner in Mourinho 6 days before a cup final, which I still think was bonkers, but before that I was a big supporter in the way he was trying to build up the club.
I think most would welcome a change now, even if he (Levy) could finally step away from the football side a bit and stop micro managing and meddling. The number of managers we have had over the years and the number of duff players we have brought in and then failed to move on tells its own story. I know he has taken a lot out of the club personally, but he has also put a lot in, and I think sometimes takes on too much. He is a very clever man, but if there is one thing I have learnt in life, very clever people often do stupid things
I got put off taking part in the protests when there was some demos a couple of years ago with people running around with cans of beer singing "we'll have a party when Levy dies etc". That was pretty sick, and rightly put a lot of people off taking part themselves, but the Rabbi is a pretty decent sort, and it seems a more credible opposition to Levy now, and I am sure he knows that the fans are starting to lose their tether.

Apologies if that post turned into a bit of a brain dump!.

Albertbarich · Apr 28, 2023

Mattspur said:
Nothing. Levy is already stepping away. He’s been trying to reorganise the football side for a while now to enable him to take a back seat and has made many new appointments within that structure. Unfortunately the most visible appointment was Paratici and we all know what happened there, but he’s made many other appointments and Scott Munn is coming in to oversee the whole thing. So protesting is a waste of time because the thing you’re trying to achieve has already happened.

That's not the answer to my question though, that's your opinion about the state of play.

My question was if the protesters aren't happy about the state and or direction of the club ( and the poster agreed that Levy should step away) then what are they supposed to do?

I think the appointment of Munn could be a big sign he is learning lessons but I'll also defend people's right to voice their unhappiness at the goings on at the club because even you someone who seems as pro ENIC as you get must admit it has been a rough tough few years.

Albertbarich · Apr 28, 2023

dontcallme said:
Is anyone else getting the feeling that the fan base as a whole just isn’t behind getting Levy out?

There appears to be a slight increase of anti-ENIC sentiment in the stadium but not huge.

The protests outside organised by the likes of “The Rabbi” aren’t getting numbers. The Change For Tottenham group was a joke.

It just doesn’t feel like the sentiment by the fan base as a whole is there where they want to change the board or get rid of Levy.

I've said this before and I nicked the opinion from Flav off the Fighting Cock but I don't think people want their football club to be another one of lives issues.

Football should be an escape, something we enjoy but when you're talking about sacrificing time with friends /family /drinking time to protest in the cold, argue, sing songs as people watch you then it becomes a problem, a committment and I'm not sure people want that

I suspect if you polled the fanbase then most wouldn't be happy but that's a world a way from doing something about it. Most people don't even wanna join in with singing and others like me can't afford to go and if I could then again I don't want to protest even though I think the club would be better with them gone.

cliff jones · Apr 28, 2023

It didn’t need anything like a whole ‘fanbase’ to get rid of Sugar. It was very much a minority that got to him.

Fans don’t want any of this protest lark to get in the way of the game, the beer with mates, the day out with kids, or the tourist experience.

No need to look down your nose at those protesting, whether you are in one of these categories or just an online fan.

The patronisers deserve to be rattling your keyboards at Sugar now, because if others hadn’t made the effort he might still be at the helm

Yantino · Apr 28, 2023

dontcallme said:
Is anyone else getting the feeling that the fan base as a whole just isn’t behind getting Levy out?

There appears to be a slight increase of anti-ENIC sentiment in the stadium but not huge.

The protests outside organised by the likes of “The Rabbi” aren’t getting numbers. The Change For Tottenham group was a joke.

It just doesn’t feel like the sentiment by the fan base as a whole is there where they want to change the board or get rid of Levy.

There is certainly a percentage of the fans that want Levy and ENIC out. There is also a percentage of the fans that don't, they just might not be seen voicing their opinion so much on forums like this.

dude573 · Apr 28, 2023

dontcallme said:
Is anyone else getting the feeling that the fan base as a whole just isn’t behind getting Levy out?

There appears to be a slight increase of anti-ENIC sentiment in the stadium but not huge.

The protests outside organised by the likes of “The Rabbi” aren’t getting numbers. The Change For Tottenham group was a joke.

It just doesn’t feel like the sentiment by the fan base as a whole is there where they want to change the board or get rid of Levy.

I think there is a growing number of us who wants him gone and you can see that online. At the old WHL you may have noticed it more, however, the new stadium attracts a lot of tourists, casual fans, fans of other clubs etc. It is hard to get a consistent 'come on you Spurs' chant let a lone a Levy out one.

I think as a fan base we're too accepting of our situation. I do believe some fans are just happy to be where we are - potentially remembering the mess we were in during the 90s. For example, the Spurs protests against the Super League were tiny in comparison to the ones at Arsenal or United.

Despite the awful season, we're still 5th and could yet finish in a European position. Everton and Newcastle only got really serious against their owners when they faced the threat of relegation. We're no where near that. A few posters here have already spoken of their numbness to us losing games or conceding goals, so it is difficult to care enough when you're used to the disappointment.

I think for the protests to really take shape our entire fanbase needs to raise our expectation of what we think Spurs should be.

dontcallme · Apr 28, 2023

dontcallme said:
Is anyone else getting the feeling that the fan base as a whole just isn’t behind getting Levy out?

There appears to be a slight increase of anti-ENIC sentiment in the stadium but not huge.

The protests outside organised by the likes of “The Rabbi” aren’t getting numbers. The Change For Tottenham group was a joke.

It just doesn’t feel like the sentiment by the fan base as a whole is there where they want to change the board or get rid of Levy.

Got 3 disagrees from firm anti-Levy posters. Are you happy with the levels of people taking to the streets and anti-Levy chants in the stadium?

I’d have thought the anti-Levy posters would be agreeing that it’s not gone well in terms of trying to push him out.

Dougal · Apr 28, 2023

Tyler24durden said:
In Spain and other countries they throw rolls of toilet paper onto the pitch to make their feelings known. No that could be a dirty protest

Waving white handkerchiefs used to be the way of doing it there too. Not sure if they still use that.

dontcallme · Apr 28, 2023

dude573 said:
I think there is a growing number of us who wants him gone and you can see that online. At the old WHL you may have noticed it more, however, the new stadium attracts a lot of tourists, casual fans, fans of other clubs etc. It is hard to get a consistent 'come on you Spurs' chant let a lone a Levy out one.

I think as a fan base we're too accepting of our situation. I do believe some fans are just happy to be where we are - potentially remembering the mess we were in during the 90s. For example, the Spurs protests against the Super League were tiny in comparison to the ones at Arsenal or United.

Despite the awful season, we're still 5th and could yet finish in a European position. Everton and Newcastle only got really serious against their owners when they faced the threat of relegation. We're no where near that. A few posters here have already spoken of their numbness to us losing games or conceding goals, so it is difficult to care enough when you're used to the disappointment.

I think for the protests to really take shape our entire fanbase needs to raise our expectation of what we think Spurs should be.

I thought about a month ago there had been a real shift in anti-Levy/ENIC sentiment. Even the media was going on the offensive against Levy.

I guess things just aren’t bad enough for more fans to be pushing for Levy to go.

We might be more in the apathy stage.

sidford · Apr 28, 2023

Dougal said:
Waving white handkerchiefs used to be the way of doing it there too. Not sure if they still use that.

Still a thing. it's pretty effective as it takes very little effort from fans but is very visual.
Can't see it catching on in England though, think any club that tries will get a lot of abuse from rival fans

Metalhead · Apr 28, 2023

dontcallme said:
Got 3 disagrees from firm anti-Levy posters. Are you happy with the levels of people taking to the streets and anti-Levy chants in the stadium?

I’d have thought the anti-Levy posters be agreeing that it’s not gone well in terms of trying to push him out.

It's a tricky one. As much as I like the ENIC model, surely it is not a bsf thing to have an element of pressure on the hierarchy in view of the way that things have been going?

kmk · Apr 28, 2023

sidford said:
Still a thing. it's pretty effective as it takes very little effort from fans but is very visual.
Can't see it catching on in England though, think any club that tries will get a lot of abuse from rival fans

Do the younger generations use hankies these days?

Buggsy61 · Apr 28, 2023

Dougal said:
Waving white handkerchiefs used to be the way of doing it there too. Not sure if they still use that.

I remember one game - I think it was at home to Blackburn when we lost 4-0 last day of the season under maybe Hoddle and a lot of our fans were chucking their season ticket booklets onto the pitch!. Can't blame the players for not looking forward to the walk around the pitch afterwards in what was a rotten season, and with a pretty rotten squad. One of the worst players I ever saw in a Spurs shirt that season - a Japanese midfielder called Toda who looked like he had won the chance to play in a competition.

dontcallme · Apr 28, 2023

Metalhead said:
It's a tricky one. As much as I like the ENIC model, surely it is not a bsf thing to have an element of pressure on the hierarchy in view of the way that things have been going?

Some pressure is fine.

My post merely observed that the recent push for the board to resign or make big changes isn’t getting much support.

I just found it strange that the anti-Levy posters disagreed with that.

g_harry · Apr 28, 2023

dontcallme said:
Some pressure is fine.

My post merely observed that the recent push for the board to resign or make big changes isn’t getting much support.

I just found it strange that the anti-Levy posters disagreed with that.

The online petition has 15,000k names
Change for Tottenham 7.7k followers
Last word On Spurs 122k followers

Think there plenty of support just needs to be better coordinated

Fredo · Apr 28, 2023

I didnt realise those black ballons on the pitch had '£NIC OUT', fair play, t least it was something. But just not enough.

g_harry · Apr 28, 2023

Fredo said:
I didnt realise those black ballons on the pitch had '£NIC OUT', fair play, t least it was something. But just not enough.

Hopefully just start, see company saying they can produce 1k for next home game.

dontcallme · Apr 28, 2023

g_harry said:
The online petition has 15,000k names
Change for Tottenham 7.7k followers
Last word On Spurs 122k followers

Think there plenty of support just needs to be better coordinated

Got a link to this petition?

SirHarryHotspur · Apr 28, 2023

Unless someone somewhere comes in with a massive £2 billion plus offer for Spurs why would Levy step down . The only ones who could oust him are the Joe Lewis & Family trust the majority shareholders and why would they, Levy has turned a circa £50 million investment for ENIC into according to Wikipedia the 10th most valuable club in the world and all done with winning just one piece of silverware.

makeveli · Apr 28, 2023

He must be waiting to see who fails in the Utd bid this weekend, maybe the runner up may come and buy us,.

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