Nicolò Zaniolo

eddiev14 · Aug 5, 2022

dirtydave said:
Conte might just believe he can mould this guy into something outstanding.

Ex Roma player, Boniek, describes him as “Zaniolo has incredible potential. If you ask people what his position is, then everyone will give you a different response. In my view, he is a classic number nine. He can protect the ball, has physical strength, turns defenders well, is good in the air and can shoot. I always say when I see Vlahovic play that Zaniolo could do just as well. Perhaps even better, because he also has this strong physicality. He really is a great player.”

Anche il Tottenham su Zaniolo

Antonio Conte, allenatore del Totteham Hotpurs sembra intenzionato a convincere il suo consiglio di amministrazione a fare un'offerta per Nicolò Zaniolo. Il tecnico italiano è sulle...

www.tuttojuve.com

That sounds rather exciting!

This is pretty interesting. Maybe Conte thinks of him as cover for Kane leading the line.

I prefer the idea of him there than as an attacking midfielder.

SuperPav10 · Aug 5, 2022

fishhhandaricecake said:
Each to their own opinion but I mean you could cavet/counter a lot of those points very easily mate which probably tells you why Conte wants him.

High risk on the injury front (Played 40+ games last season with no major issues)

Difficult to identify what he does well (Dribbling, creativity, ball carrying)

Difficult to identify where he plays (RWF primarily but can play LWF and AM if needed)

Recent performances last season which could be most generously described as just about ok (Scored a hat-trick in ECL QF and scored in the final so big goals in their biggest games of the season)

Stats which show his passing is not very good (he's more a dribbler than a passer, it would be like saying Sterling's passing stats aren't very good and writing him off as a bad player)

I do agree there are risks with this one but the one point you've not mentioned here is that before his ACL's he was literally THE next big thing in Italy and in Europe and if Conte can unlock/re-ignite that Zaniolo then we will have one heck of a signing on our hands. Say he explodes this coming season for Roma now he's had a full season back after his injury and Roma are building a stronger side and he looks like Zaniolo of a few seasons ago then we'd have zero chance of signing him so its a bit of a risk but as they say 'to dare is to do' the reward/upside here could be massive if he lives up to his potential.

Hope that helps explain a bit more why Conte is considering him. Also he'd for sure be an upgrade on Lucas and we need a 6th attacker so seems Zaniolo fits the type of profile Conte is looking for to fit in with the tactics he favours.

Not sure how you can say he'd be an upgrade on Lucas? In fact, all those points can equally be used to describe Lucas ?

Basically: Scored a hat-trick once. Dribbles a lot. Features in a lot of games.

Inspiring stuff.

Upside is that Zani is left footed, so operates that inverted RWF role more naturally. Downside is he has no prem experience.

I watched lots of Zani last year and he spent a lot of time on his arse. He looks strong but is pushed off the ball easily, and loves to complain about it.

Hoping Conte knocks this out of him.

rossdapep · Aug 5, 2022

Beefyboy said:
Is paqueta really more exciting? Feel like he's getting hyped because he's not zaniolo. He was pretty terrible from what I saw in the europa and apparsbtly he just downed tools when his mate Bruno left.

I've followed Paqueta since he broke through at Flamenco, yet haven't really watched him at Lyon much, although I do watch all Brazil's games.

He's a fantastic footballer but I do have a nagging feeling that he may struggle with the intensity of the PL. He can move the ball quickly, but it's relentless and he does tend to slow things down at times. so I can certainly see games passing him by.

Whereas Zaniolo looks to burst forward and make a quick action. Which is more suitable to a Conte team.

I think too many are overlooking what Conte likes. He doesn't want a playmaker who can bring others into play or dictate, he wants someone who can play fast, someone who can get through the lines with power or a quick pass.

That's why his playmakers tend to play deeper as their role is to beat that mid line with angled passes or deceiving the opponent and then let the attacking players use their power, movement and pace to beat the defensive line.

Paqueta would suit City cause they like players who love to be on the ball and interchange.

rossdapep · Aug 5, 2022

dirtydave said:
Conte might just believe he can mould this guy into something outstanding.

Ex Roma player, Boniek, describes him as “Zaniolo has incredible potential. If you ask people what his position is, then everyone will give you a different response. In my view, he is a classic number nine. He can protect the ball, has physical strength, turns defenders well, is good in the air and can shoot. I always say when I see Vlahovic play that Zaniolo could do just as well. Perhaps even better, because he also has this strong physicality. He really is a great player.”

Anche il Tottenham su Zaniolo

Antonio Conte, allenatore del Totteham Hotpurs sembra intenzionato a convincere il suo consiglio di amministrazione a fare un'offerta per Nicolò Zaniolo. Il tecnico italiano è sulle...

www.tuttojuve.com

That sounds rather exciting!

I think another aspect we need to remember is that a coach will watch a player and see qualities or characteristics and think "He has what I need for my system"

I am due to start scouting for a European club and the remit I have been given means I will be overlooking a lot of technical and exciting players because that's not what they are looking for.

Over the years we've had coaches who have had talented players signed up but then those players were either inadequate or couldn't do the role asked of them.

We should take into account the power of Conte's coaching because if he's seeing qualities in Zaniolo it's cause he believes he can tap into them to make him perform better in his system.

FloridaSpur · Aug 5, 2022

eddiev14 said:
I get that Conte wants him but I genuinely have no idea why.

High risk on the injury front

He played thrity two games last season, after takig a whole of the previous season out. Over the last season Skipp has been out longer, is Skipp to be considered "high risk on the injury front"?

eddiev14 said:
Difficult to identify what he does well

He is talented on the ball, quick, can take a man on and win the ball back.

eddiev14 said:
Difficult to identify where he plays

He will play in a similar role/position to Kulu

eddiev14 said:
Recent performances last season which could be most generously described as just about ok

How do you come to that conclusion? How man games did you actually see him play for Roma? He was influential in the EL last season scoring twice in seven games, and Jose rated him as key in their success last season.

eddiev14 said:
Stats which show his passing is not very good

Stats? His stats are better than Kulu before he came to us, do you think that Conte won't improve him?

eddiev14 said:
Just don’t get it.

I can't help you on this one.

eddiev14 said:
Let’s hope Antonio can get out of him whatever it is he has clearly identified.

Which player hasn't Conte and his team improved?

FloridaSpur · Aug 5, 2022

Joshua shepherd said:
You just don’t need to be worried that he might, possibly, at some point get injured again. There’s nothing you can do to control that.

At this point it looks like we’ll probably sign him, another young exciting player coming in who is definitely an upgrade on other members of the squad. Let’s enjoy it, he’s either going to be a decent option from the bench or he’ll turn into a world beater, there’s not much risk in this signing if you forget about the injuries.

He's only just turned 23 (July) and is highly talented. I followed Roma last season as watched sixteen of their games and every of them in the EL.

Zaniolo is exactly what Conte is looking for in his 3-5-2 system, or sometimes 3-4-3

We have to understand that a Conte team is the sum of it's parts and far from a collection of individual talent. If this transfer comes off then we will have an excellent player likely for the next decade.

As for his injuries, these were as a result of tackling rather than the players general level of fitness or fault. Van Der Beek (Nations League) tackle for the second one, that was more of a strain but still required surgery. He was out for seven months with his first injury but returned almost immediately to club and International football.

This kid will be outstanding if we get him.

FrankSpencer · Aug 5, 2022

rossdapep said:
I think another aspect we need to remember is that a coach will watch a player and see qualities or characteristics and think "He has what I need for my system"

I am due to start scouting for a European club and the remit I have been given means I will be overlooking a lot of technical and exciting players because that's not what they are looking for.

Over the years we've had coaches who have had talented players signed up but then those players were either inadequate or couldn't do the role asked of them.

We should take into account the power of Conte's coaching because if he's seeing qualities in Zaniolo it's cause he believes he can tap into them to make him perform better in his system.

Throw your requirements in here, I’m sure SC will have a long list of player recommendations they can give for the ‘Hybrid RWB’ role!

ShriekinKnight · Aug 5, 2022

Remember in January when we were all willing to take the risk on Adama because his strength, ability to make explosive runs, beat teams high presses and we were hopeful Conte could fix his end product?

Well Zaniolo is the same only with a much better chance to develop an end product

gazzeh · Aug 5, 2022

ShriekinKnight said:
Remember in January when we were all willing to take the risk on Adama because his strength, ability to make explosive runs, beat teams high presses and we were hopeful Conte could fix his end product?

Well Zaniolo is the same only with a much better chance to develop an end product

Surely he's nowhere near as quick?

Ron Burgundy · Aug 5, 2022

ShriekinKnight said:
Remember in January when we were all willing to take the risk on Adama because his strength, ability to make explosive runs, beat teams high presses and we were hopeful Conte could fix his end product?

Well Zaniolo is the same only with a much better chance to develop an end product

That is a massive over simplification IMO. They're totally different

Aphex · Aug 5, 2022

Joshua shepherd said:
You just don’t need to be worried that he might, possibly, at some point get injured again. There’s nothing you can do to control that.

At this point it looks like we’ll probably sign him, another young exciting player coming in who is definitely an upgrade on other members of the squad. Let’s enjoy it, he’s either going to be a decent option from the bench or he’ll turn into a world beater, there’s not much risk in this signing if you forget about the injuries.

I am not generally worried about players getting injured, but two ACL injuries already in his career, means he isn't a normal purchase is he.

jurgen11 · Aug 5, 2022

Despite glass knees - is he a double hard bastard?

Aphex · Aug 5, 2022

ShriekinKnight said:
Remember in January when we were all willing to take the risk on Adama because his strength, ability to make explosive runs, beat teams high presses and we were hopeful Conte could fix his end product?

Well Zaniolo is the same only with a much better chance to develop an end product

We were not all willing to take a risk on Adama. Some of us didn't want to touch him with a barge pole. It's not relevant here though as they are totally different players.

DodgyLasagne · Aug 5, 2022

jurgen11 said:
Despite glass knees - is he a double hard bastard?

He has the highest booking rate and commits close to the most fouls per 90 of ANY FORWARD in the entirety of Europe's top 5 leagues lol. He has some anger issues.

mil1lion · Aug 5, 2022

I wonder if we could do an obligation to buy if he makes x amount of appearances. I mean if he is involved in as many games as he was for Roma last season I'm sure we would be more willing to sign him. The fact he's gone a full season without any serious injuries suggests its not so risky. If he get through another season without then make it permanent.

roy@SC · Aug 5, 2022

I suspect Conte may see a dembele type player in him. One he can mould into a deep lying midfielder capable of taking the ball from the backline and being able to carry it forward well, very press resistant.

eddiev14 · Aug 5, 2022

FloridaSpur said:
He played thrity two games last season, after takig a whole of the previous season out. Over the last season Skipp has been out longer, is Skipp to be considered "high risk on the injury front"?

He is talented on the ball, quick, can take a man on and win the ball back.

He will play in a similar role/position to Kulu

How do you come to that conclusion? How man games did you actually see him play for Roma? He was influential in the EL last season scoring twice in seven games, and Jose rated him as key in their success last season.

Stats? His stats are better than Kulu before he came to us, do you think that Conte won't improve him?

I can't help you on this one.

Which player hasn't Conte and his team improved?

It’s ok mate. We don’t have to agree

jurgen11 · Aug 5, 2022

DodgyLasagne said:
He has the highest booking rate and commits close to the most fouls per 90 of ANY FORWARD in the entirety of Europe's top 5 leagues lol. He has some anger issues.

Should fit in well

iddebu52 · Aug 5, 2022

DodgyLasagne said:
He has the highest booking rate and commits close to the most fouls per 90 of ANY FORWARD in the entirety of Europe's top 5 leagues lol. He has some anger issues.

Cuti will be his mentor then.?

soflapaul · Aug 5, 2022

DodgyLasagne said:
He has the highest booking rate and commits close to the most fouls per 90 of ANY FORWARD in the entirety of Europe's top 5 leagues lol. He has some anger issues.

It's not anger issues, it's Mommy issues
While Conte likes aggressive players, he won't tolerate reckless or stupid and AC is the alpha male in this group.

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