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Albertbarich

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The worst run club in the premier league.

They make bad decision after bad decision that nobody outside of their boardroom thinks will succeed.

Their fans must be sick of it.
 
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allatsea

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If the press is to be believed they are looking to sign big name players even though they don't have a Manager. Strange way to run a club.
 
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Monkey boy

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Albertbarich said:
The worst run club in the premier league.

They make bad decision after bad decision that nobody outside of their boardroom thinks will succeed.

Their fans must be sick of it.
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i have a deep dislike of everton probably from the games where I’ve had to stand there listening to the constant booing and moaning over every decision that doesn’t go their way plus their weird dislike of us so I take great pleasure in watching and laughing at every poor decision that they make.
 
spursfan77

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It always surprises me how men so successful in other businesses and walks of life can fail so badly when it comes to owning/running a football club. I can see why they do it and get involved. Their egos cant help it and because they aren't used to taking advice from other people on making key decisions they think they can do it themselves. But the football world is like no other. Moshiri seems to be the next in the very long line of them. They also seem to fall under the spell of agents at some stage too and just go by what they say instead of others in the game (or thats how it is presented in the press). All very strange.
 
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Albertbarich said:
The worst run club in the premier league.

They make bad decision after bad decision that nobody outside of their boardroom thinks will succeed.

Their fans must be sick of it.
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Only retrospectively.

They are just living the reality of what a number of people on here want:
- Billionaire owner
- Overspending to get targets
- Backing individual managers with their own targets, despite club reservations
- Spending on players with no regard to FFP

I know it's not the only way that will turn out, but they were cock sure when Moshiri first came in and invested (https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/farhad-moshirì.85442/) and it became an unbearable place to interact. Everton were sort of a "2nd team" for me, as my brother was a keen fan, and so I found it reasonably modest over there until that point.

Moshiri hasn't done anything "wrong" imo - he's kind of the chairman a lot of people want based on criticisms in the ENIC thread - no focus on infrastructure (until very very recently with BMD), just spend hundreds of millions on players and lets get going. Pay the agents, steal Leicester's recruitment staff, get a CL winning manager etc.

Everton are unique in that, since 1995 (when they last won something) they are the only club in the football league that I could count that have had nothing to celebrate (see https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/in...eartily-at-everton.141210/page-6#post-7444349)

The issue at hand is that football fans are so disconnected from what is good for a club - they saw Chelsea seemingly "buy success" a number of years ago, but most clubs forget that it wasn't a big step up for them to win the league. For City it was, but it took a huge amount of money at a time when FFP wasn't a thing. Just like Newcastle fans will realise, spending huge sums of money isn't always a good thing to do. They ignore the likes of QPR, who plummeted down when they tried to buy a top-half finish.
 
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yawa said:
That’ll be them relegated. Don’t think he’s got the experience or knowledge to fight a relegation battle.
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This is going to be a very long season for them
I Don't like Fat Frank~ Championship beckons me thinks (kinda hopes too)
 
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yawa said:
That’ll be them relegated. Don’t think he’s got the experience or knowledge to fight a relegation battle.
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I fully understand why their fans would be against Vitor Pereira. He is every bit the journeyman manager carving out a career with short-term appointments in obscure leagues and lower-level competition. Saudi Arabia, China, positions with Fenerbahce (twice), half a season with Olympiacos and 1860 Munich. Porto is the exception.

But I don't get the infatuation with Lampard. I saw that banner.
www.theguardian.com

Vítor Pereira defends record in attempt to placate Everton fans

Vitor Pereira has defended his record after ‘Pereira Out’ graffiti was daubed on Goodison Park after he was interviewed for the manager’s job
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Given the multitude of problems they have behind the scenes, Lampard is not the saviour whoever scribbled this on the wall thinks he is.
 
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Danners9 said:
I fully understand why their fans would be against Vitor Pereira. He is every bit the journeyman manager carving out a career with short-term appointments in obscure leagues and lower-level competition. Saudi Arabia, China, positions with Fenerbahce (twice), half a season with Olympiacos and 1860 Munich. Porto is the exception.

But I don't get the infatuation with Lampard. I saw that banner.
www.theguardian.com

Vítor Pereira defends record in attempt to placate Everton fans

Vitor Pereira has defended his record after ‘Pereira Out’ graffiti was daubed on Goodison Park after he was interviewed for the manager’s job
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Given the multitude of problems they have behind the scenes, Lampard is not the saviour whoever scribbled this on the wall thinks he is.
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They need someone who knows how to fight a relegation battle. Even if that means 11 men behind the ball and getting a 0-0 draw or grabbing a 1-0 win.

can’t see Lampard delivering that and they should probably have gone someone in experience.
 
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If they lose to Newcastle away in their next game then they’re only a point ahead of the geordies. Wowsers.
 
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They could easily get sucked into the maelstrom. Them and Leeds are in a perilous position imo. Norwich, Newcastle, and Burnley all capable of winning games now. Watford will likely improve under Hodgson too.

Lampard is a bit of an unknown quantity in this situation, he might be what they need and give them confidence to play to their level (which is better than their form suggests.)
 
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Lampard would be a baffling appointment. He's done absolutely nothing to demonstrate any kind of managerial ability.

People will point to Derby but ultimately he did an average job at best there. Just because he came in and they didn't immediately implode doesn't make him a good manager. Plus he had the advantage of being able to bring in a bunch of ringers like Mason Mount. You could argue he should've done better with the bolstered squad he had to work with.

Then it comes to his only PL experience with Chelsea, where he was an absolute disaster. Looked embarrassingly out of his depth there and this was highlighted by the fact that when they brought in a proper manager in Tuchel, he was able to turn the team around completely in such a short space iof time.

He's done absolutely nothing to warrant consideration for this job and it wouldn't surprise me in the lightest if he drags them further into the relegation battle
 
Marty

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'O Zio said:
Lampard would be a baffling appointment. He's done absolutely nothing to demonstrate any kind of managerial ability.

People will point to Derby but ultimately he did an average job at best there. Just because he came in and they didn't immediately implode doesn't make him a good manager. Plus he had the advantage of being able to bring in a bunch of ringers like Mason Mount. You could argue he should've done better with the bolstered squad he had to work with.

Then it comes to his only PL experience with Chelsea, where he was an absolute disaster. Looked embarrassingly out of his depth there and this was highlighted by the fact that when they brought in a proper manager in Tuchel, he was able to turn the team around completely in such a short space iof time.

He's done absolutely nothing to warrant consideration for this job and it wouldn't surprise me in the lightest if he drags them further into the relegation battle
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I don't think Chelsea finishing fourth while under a "transfer embargo" (in which they still spent money on Pulisic and Kovacic) can be classified as an absolute disaster.

He had a two month spell where everything went wrong before he was sacked. His full season, he couldn't organise the defence but 4th place and a lost FA Cup final even for Chelsea was hardly seen as a disaster at the time.
 
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Marty said:
I don't think Chelsea finishing fourth while under a "transfer embargo" (in which they still spent money on Pulisic and Kovacic) can be classified as an absolute disaster.

He had a two month spell where everything went wrong before he was sacked. His full season, he couldn't organise the defence but 4th place and a lost FA Cup final even for Chelsea was hardly seen as a disaster at the time.
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I see your point, at the time his first season wasn't considered a disaster, but judging the whole period in hindsight, he was a disaster. Personally, I don't think much (if any) of their success in that first season was particularly down to him, more a case of them doing OK despite his obvious failings. Obviously you can only carry on like hat for so long before you get found out, and once things started to unravel they did so very quickly because he was totally out of his depth and the players knew it.

I stand by my point. He's done absolutely nothing that indicates he's a PL level manager to me.
 
Timberwolf

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'O Zio said:
I see your point, at the time his first season wasn't considered a disaster, but judging the whole period in hindsight, he was a disaster. Personally, I don't think much (if any) of their success in that first season was particularly down to him, more a case of them doing OK despite his obvious failings. Obviously you can only carry on like hat for so long before you get found out, and once things started to unravel they did so very quickly because he was totally out of his depth and the players knew it.

I stand by my point. He's done absolutely nothing that indicates he's a PL level manager to me.
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I think he's not quite as bad as you're making out.

I was absolutely certain Chelsea were fucked the season he came in - they had lost Hazard, didn't have a convincing no.9, couldn't sign players and were forced to rely on bringing in a bunch of loanee kids into their first team. Lampard pretty seamlessly integrated Abraham, Mount, Tomori and James, got them playing better football than they did under Sarri, comfortably got them top 4 and a cup final.

That's not bad at all for a new coach.

He got found out a bit the following season as he couldn't take them up to the next level as expensive signings didn't hit the ground running, but Chelsea is a very high pressure club with ridiculous expectations. It was a lot to ask.

I agree he's clearly not a top top level coach, struggles to organise a defence and has been overpromoted due to his playing career, but I think he's a MUCH better appointment for Everton that Ferguson, Rooney or that random bloke who's mates with the owner. He's already showing his pull by bringing in Donny VDB.

I think he could surprise a few people with what he can do at a club like Everton.
 
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DannyNZ

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I think he’ll do ok, first signs are good with nabbing DVB from Palaces claws. Think DVB will do well there and a much smarter move than grabbing Dele off us as was rumoured.
 
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'O Zio said:
I see your point, at the time his first season wasn't considered a disaster, but judging the whole period in hindsight, he was a disaster. Personally, I don't think much (if any) of their success in that first season was particularly down to him, more a case of them doing OK despite his obvious failings. Obviously you can only carry on like hat for so long before you get found out, and once things started to unravel they did so very quickly because he was totally out of his depth and the players knew it.

I stand by my point. He's done absolutely nothing that indicates he's a PL level manager to me.
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It’s a bit bizarre to call him a disaster. A manager comes in to us, gets us top four and a cup final with a transfer embargo and necessarily or out of choice bringing through youth, we build him a fucking statue.

It may be that the aura of him coming back to Chelsea wore off and you’re right TT coming in and moving them up so quickly shows the gulf. But that doesn’t make him a bad manager and frankly for Everton I can’t see a better option. He won’t have the hostility Benitez faced and with DCL back and considering how poor the other teams are, I’d be surprised if they went down.

That said if Burnley win some of their games in hand and Newcastle improve which they probably will, it might be hard.
 
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