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Did anyone post the Lloris interview here? It felt like he had a dig at Jose in his first answer and if that is the case, you get the impression things really aren't good...
There's no point anymore.
The football purists on here find him solely to blame and won't change their opinion.
We could bring Pep in and we still couldn't play good football because of the players at his disposal. I'd love to see what they'd say then.
And again, we then return to the the same question: why then did they do the same to Poch?
We can keep going round this idea, but as yet, no one who seems to want to lay the blame at Mourinho's door has been able to come up with an adequate answer as to why it's happened to two very different managers in the space of three years.
It doesn't seem to happen elsewhere.
Chelsea change managers all the time. How come their players still seem to put in a shift?
West Ham - they may have been shit under Moyes, then Pellegrini, then Moyes again (until recently), but they didn't piss about on the pitch looking like their mothers had just been shot. They put in a shift.
Southampton got tonked 9-0 last season. What did they do? They pulled their socks up and worked and strove and put in the effort and dragged themselves back to their feet. Having been again tonked 9-0, I would, given the choice between which I thought more likely, Spurs to show gumption and get themselves back on their feet or Southampton, still put every penny I had on Southampton.
My God, Newcastle! They're managed by a man that huge swathes of people deride (not saying it's fair, just that they do) - do you see them refusing to put a shift in?
The key difference? The teams above, at the very least, have balls. Our poor little fragile egos don't 'believe' in the project? My heart bleeds! I can give them tens of thousands of reasons, every week, why their excuses should fall on the deafest of ears.
They need to pull their own socks up, not expect Poch or Mourinho or the next poor bastard who takes this poison chalice of a job to wipe their arses for them. They each need to grow a pair.
They didn't let Poch down, as in reality they were and are not good enough.
I'm not quite in the mourinho out camp yet, he at least gets until the end of the season. Unfortunately Poch was right about a painful rebuild and Jose has had to pick up the pieces. I know he was backed in the transfer window but really only PEH and reggie have been the best out the bunch.
There's a fair few players that need to be moved on for various reasons. Some are just plain shit, others aren't at the level we need and the rest are too inconsistent or injury prone.
It won't happen overnight but we really need to be looking to move on sissoko, Davies, winks, lamela, lucas, sanchez, Rose.
Jose can only work with the players available, yes we have a group of players who would definitely get into most top teams but the rest are holding us back.
Had Jose been in charge when we were battling Leicester or Chelsea for the title then we would have won 1 of them.
I will gladly drive him to other clubs for free. Getting him out of the club is already a gain on its own.Also, Levy thinking he can get fucking 150 million for any player who slightly performs for us is detrimental to this club. We are never recuperating the 30 million we spent on Sissoko for example, he needs to accept that but he won't.
You’re 100% right that some of the players are the problem.That's funny. Cos I feel the entire mentality of just about every player we have is wrong for the club too.
No idea how is coaching is responsible for the umpteen mental mistakes we see defensively. Today was Dier's turn (again) to do something catastrophically dumb.
Oh, and I think I lost count after the 30th min of how many simple misplaced passes there were.
Let's also not forget all the players just standing around like statues. Refusing to budge. Move. Or try.
But if it makes everyone feel better to say it is all down to one person. Fine. You're right. The players have stopped making even the smallest effort.
Bring in the most attack minded genius in the land and let's see if they can turn these pathetic babies into men. 'Cos one thing I can also guarantee you is this... whoever your dream manager is will NOT be backed. They will have to deal with the exact same set of weak minded losers.
We're in deep, deep shit. And sacking Jose will not be a magical solution some seem to think it'll be. That's not to say he won't be going. 'Cos I can't see how he stays at this point, as the players have completely given up.
But by all means... let's give them a pass. It's all the manager's fault that they can't focus or put in any effort or pretend to give a shit. All because of Jose's philosophy, they can no longer make a 2 yard pass. Or mark someone. Or run into open space. Or do even the simplest of things, like not kick a fucking player in the leg while sitting on your arse in the penalty area. I'm sure that had everything to do with the Jose philosophy of playing.
Give me a break.
You'll get your wish. I don't doubt that. But what you won't get is someone who will turn us into anything resembling what we were 4 years ago. Not with these players. Not with this chairman. And not in this financial climate that will cripple us for the next three or four years.
Want to know what's really scary about the comments in that thread? They're the same comments on here.
People say Twitter is where brains go to die ...
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Yeah he should have ostracized him instead when he started making mistakes, another martyr to add to the list.All those slagging Dier off and saying he’s not good enough and should take some of the responsibility. Maybe I missed the bit where Jose brought Dier back in from the cold and made him his first choice centre back.
To be fair to Jose, I think for the thing he wants to do he needs players with a strong mentality who does not cry when they get criticized.
Like loads of Hojbjergs and Kanes. But we don't have that in the slightest. Our weak players need a cuddle every night and before every game.
And Jose hasnt enough in his locker in todays game to adapt to that...
'Painful rebuild'
Might as well go with a manager who can work with the young talent we have like Skipp, Sess and Rodon etc and accept mercurial, inconsistent football for a while until it clicks into Poch era Mk2.
Arguably.
Why, Dier has proved over and over again he is not a center half.All those slagging Dier off and saying he’s not good enough and should take some of the responsibility. Maybe I missed the bit where Jose brought Dier back in from the cold and made him his first choice centre back.