shelfboy68
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That will eventually make bundles of money the team is a bit meh.Thank goodness we have such a wonderful stadium.
Match Threads Spurs vs Chelsea - Match Thread - Day 21
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Matthew
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look how we got there though, we beat 2 championship teams ( none overly convincing) a bye against orient, and pens against the chavs.
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How else were we meant to get there then?
SlotBadger
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That is... bizarre.
'O Zio
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Is it absurd though? Based on what they've done when they have been in the side, they're being left out on merit. It would be absurd of they were both tearing it up but he refused to pick them. But they've both been crap whenever they have played so I fail to see what's absurd about them not being given as much game time.
Alli has been really poor for years, it's not just the managers fault l. I don't know whether it's an attitude problem or what but even Poch struggled to get him playing anything like he did I'm his first 2 years with us.
Also Bale in particular is a supposed to be one of the top players in the world. He's not a young prospect who needs to be managed carefully. A player of his caliber (and the salary that goes with it) shouldn't need motivating. He's been rescued from his situation in Madrid and brought back to a club where the fans love him and where hell finally get game time again. Yet every time he's been given a chance he looks like he can't be bothered with it. When he first came back he had the excuse of lacking fitness but that's long worn thin.
In short, yes part of the managers job is to get the best out of the players, but with a lot of our players they just don't look bothered. As JJ showed in the analysis you've got players just standing there doing nothing rather than moving into space to receive passes. That's nothing to do with the manager, that's fundamentals of playing any team sport that the players have been taught since they were 7 years old FFS. There's just no excuse for not putting the most basics of effort in no matter who you are and who your manager is. Yeah Jose has negative tactics but you're having a laugh if you think he's told them to barely break into a jog at any point and hide behind defenders rather than get into space.
Bloody hell, let's see a few other average players:
Robben - rather average at Real, rather fantastic at Bayern,
Sneijder - rather average at Real, rather stunning at Inter,
Van der Vaart - rather average at Real, rather wonderful at Tottenham,
Forlan - dog shit for United, legend for Villareal,
Salah - who? under Mourinho, need not say more here.
Would you say any of the above are/were average players?
What I'm saying is that just because a player has difficulties adapting to a manager's style, doesn't mean he's average. We all know what Doherty's strength is. Has he once played in that role for us? Does it make him average?
max cady
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Jose is getting £15m per annum to make us perform, yes we can blame the players, the tea lady and mini me but ultimately the self proclaimed Special One is out-dated and no longer a menace in the premier lge. Our football has gone backwards.
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Ah the list of players argument when we're talking about the likes of Davies, Sissoko, Winks, Dier etc etc ... Yeah, average.
Dennism
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Wish that was the case but in the first half the gulf between the two sides was massive. We were embarrassing and could hardly string two passes together. Their players were assured in all they did. The second half was better but it could hardly have been worse.
I'm sorry were they all not CL finalists? As we know only average players get there.
Indisguise
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They didn't need to.
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Hmm, I don't know where you're trying to go with this, honestly.
I'm trying to prove to you that just because a player can't cope with a specific (and in this case the football equivalent of a quantum physics university course) system, it doesn't make them average. For you, it's black and white. JM has to assess the strengths of his players, as Poch did in his two best seasons, and let them do it.
I don't make the rules, mate
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You read the bit about the two different philosophies from two different managers right?
So they can't follow either so that makes them average if they can't do either ... Right?
Why are you going in circles with this?
Agree,the cards couldn't have landed any better and that actually might carry on as if City make the semi final of the Champions league the first leg is the Tuesday/Wednesday after the Sunday final ,every little helps!
And you read the bit that in his last year Poch effectively reverted to a carbon copy of what JM is doing now? Sitting deep and counters. Didn't work for him and isn't working now.
When Poch's philosophy was bravery, pressure and speed, we dominated the league.
spursfan77
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Are you completely absolving the players of any blame whatsoever?
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That was 2/3+ years ago ...
