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Adrien Rabiot

Yiddo100

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Imo I don't think we'd do any loan backs this window considering the circumstances around injuries. I don't think Levy would be stupid enough to do that because I presume there would be an uproar as we (fans) all want players in now, I don't think any of us are thinking of next season at the moment. Could see it if we brought in some other players now though
Think fans would be more annoyed at no signings than signing a player and loaning them back, I would anyway
 

Fredo

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Not planning out our future transfers correctly has us in this current predicament. Better to secure for the future than do absolutely nothing.
I think this type of deal will just create even more embarassment for Levy&Co, you're plagued by injuries yet you can't even get Berge (or someone of that type) to come in immediately?
 

dtxspurs

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I think this type of deal will just create even more embarassment for Levy&Co, you're plagued by injuries yet you can't even get Berge (or someone of that type) to come in immediately?
All the big clubs are doing these deals now. Would actually make me think we have some sort of competence in the market again.
 

Johnny J

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Aug 18, 2012
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In honesty I'd rather the former. Signing and loaning back would just add to my anger.
Signing and loaning back is a way to avoid a bidding war in the summer, or the mega clubs hoovering them up. I'd much rather we do some of those deals now than watch us mess it up again in the summer.
 

nailsy

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What if Rabiot was never on, as JJ said, but has just been a ruse to keep the attention away from our real efforts?

(Scraping the barrel here. Need some positivity after that performance just now.)

You think we're trying to sign his mum? :confused:

Better than no-one. I'm in (y)
 

heelspurs

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Jul 25, 2012
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Missing this player is a big loss. I was fully on board for him to be the dynamic MFer in our incoming triumvirate. Thought the 100+M kitty and Dembele leaving was gonna open the floodgates. I totally felt in my ballsack the daring was there to actually do this time after the miss of the summer. I don't understand how this didn't come off. Guess we are just gonna have to hang our hats on Isco and Werner for our marquee signings.
 

ajspurs

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All the big clubs are doing these deals now. Would actually make me think we have some sort of competence in the market again.

Is funny because I know I never personally thought we would do such deals here, but when people were talking about Rabiot and Isco I was thinking fucking hell, two high calibre players as such amongst what we have now would really take us up a level, and I mean to compete really well against Liverpool and City.

Because of the level we're already at now, rival teams would be scared as fuck of what we could potentially do if we were to add real quality to the likes of Kane, Dele, Eriksen, Son and the solidity of a defensive pairing in Jan and Toby.

I don't know, I was resigned to us not signing anyone from the start of the window after what happened in the summer so any feelings of anger were all used up then and I'm really just not surprised now but it would be a massive shame to not see this group of players get some quality additions.

It's also funny because we could have done with some fresh additions at the start of January, with the run of games we had but again, rather annoyingly and typically if we do indeed do anything it will be in the last few days.
 

SpursSince1980

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So, he doesn't want us. So that means his only options this summer are likely to be Bayern, Juve, Real (very unlikely), Liverpool, LeArse or Lincoln City. The latter being his back up just in case his mommy dearest wire hangars him outta any other options. ?
 

JacoZA

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I don’t think we are truly trying for anyone, the notion we told Ajax we would match any bid for de Jong is beyond funny. This isn’t new with our owners, remember the summer when “Daniel went to Spain with a barrel of money” and we supposedly tried for Aguero ? ENIC try to shop in Harrods with Asda money. I’ve seen the movie before and it doesn’t end well because when their tight-fistedness leads to poor on field results it is the manager that gets the bullet.
If we're not signing anyone, why are you in the transfer section?
 

LeParisien

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Mar 5, 2018
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Oh please, you are clearly up for Chairman of the BSoDL but stop trolling me with your nonsense.
In your post you said we are being played by the owners whose only real interest is in selling players. Presumably this means they have no real interest in buying.

Here’s Trix, an hour before you posted that:

Poch is happy with the squad and really hasn't been pushing for incomings. He has his extremely optimistic list and is more than aware they were unlikely to be brought in. The thing with the ITK's on here, and the other forums at least is that it comes from various different sources, some pro Levy, some anti Levy, some that have zero interests in the club what so ever. Believe me we all talk behind the scenes and everyone is hearing pretty much exactly the same thing regarding this, and have been for some time. Some of you can bury your heads in the sand and continue to blame Levy(don't get me wrong he has form) but our lack of transfers both now and in the Summer are not down to him. He's for once doing what we have all been asking for, for the last decade and backing the manager. I know, easier to do when he doesn't have to spend any money, but there is money available should Poch want to bolster the squad.

It’s reasonable to ask whether you think Poch is on board given that the itk are unequivocal in their belief that he is. Indeed the above makes it seem as though the extent of our reluctance to buy is principally driven by Poch.

You may be rightfully angry at Levy but you should be equally angry at Poch. No inconsistency there..
 

am_yisrael_chai

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In your post you said we are being played by the owners whose only real interest is in selling players. Presumably this means they have no real interest in buying.

Here’s Trix, an hour before you posted that:

Poch is happy with the squad and really hasn't been pushing for incomings. He has his extremely optimistic list and is more than aware they were unlikely to be brought in. The thing with the ITK's on here, and the other forums at least is that it comes from various different sources, some pro Levy, some anti Levy, some that have zero interests in the club what so ever. Believe me we all talk behind the scenes and everyone is hearing pretty much exactly the same thing regarding this, and have been for some time. Some of you can bury your heads in the sand and continue to blame Levy(don't get me wrong he has form) but our lack of transfers both now and in the Summer are not down to him. He's for once doing what we have all been asking for, for the last decade and backing the manager. I know, easier to do when he doesn't have to spend any money, but there is money available should Poch want to bolster the squad.

It’s reasonable to ask whether you think Poch is on board given that the itk are unequivocal in their belief that he is. Indeed the above makes it seem as though the extent of our reluctance to buy is principally driven by Poch.

You may be rightfully angry at Levy but you should be equally angry at Poch. No inconsistency there..
I am angry at Poch too. He has more leverage than any of us to change policy at the club and I think he is giving the owners way too easy a time with only infrequent outbursts that give a lie to the fact that he is happy with our owners’ parsimony. However my default assumption is that he will walk when their lack of spending becomes unbearable and sadly I suspect that will be this summer which will follow the pattern of last summer.

For what it’s worth I also think giving Poch control of transfers was wrong strategically. His strength is coaching players and the team, it is not identifying player purchases. To maximise our resources we should appoint an expert in that field. I’m a fan of the DoF model, I’m not sure we’ve ever had the right person in the role but that doesn’t invalidate the role itself.
 

coy-spurs1882

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I am angry at Poch too. He has more leverage than any of us to change policy at the club and I think he is giving the owners way too easy a time with only infrequent outbursts that give a lie to the fact that he is happy with our owners’ parsimony. However my default assumption is that he will walk when their lack of spending becomes unbearable and sadly I suspect that will be this summer which will follow the pattern of last summer.

For what it’s worth I also think giving Poch control of transfers was wrong strategically. His strength is coaching players and the team, it is not identifying player purchases. To maximise our resources we should appoint an expert in that field. I’m a fan of the DoF model, I’m not sure we’ve ever had the right person in the role but that doesn’t invalidate the role itself.
regardless the signings were successful or not, i think baldini did a decent job as a DoF since the transfers went quite smoothly when he worked for us, except moutinho and willian i suppose?

edit: browsed wikipedia and realized that baldini arrived in jun 2013 while the moutinho saga happened in 2012
 
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LeParisien

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I am angry at Poch too. He has more leverage than any of us to change policy at the club and I think he is giving the owners way too easy a time with only infrequent outbursts that give a lie to the fact that he is happy with our owners’ parsimony. However my default assumption is that he will walk when their lack of spending becomes unbearable and sadly I suspect that will be this summer which will follow the pattern of last summer.

For what it’s worth I also think giving Poch control of transfers was wrong strategically. His strength is coaching players and the team, it is not identifying player purchases. To maximise our resources we should appoint an expert in that field. I’m a fan of the DoF model, I’m not sure we’ve ever had the right person in the role but that doesn’t invalidate the role itself.
So our difference in perceiving the club’s view is largely that you see Poch as a willing taker of Levy’s rules - fundamentally unhappy but readily compliant. Whereas I see Levy and Poch as being entirely on the same page and pulling in the same direction.

I suppose it’s trivial for me to say that the weight of evidence from itk and press conferences supports my view more than yours.

Obviously we have even bigger differences when it comes to the normative discussion of how we think the club SHOULD behave. You believe we should spend more to kick on; I am a little more patient...for now. I am highly tolerant of your view though in this regard. I think it is reasonable - it’s just that you allow your view of how the club should behave taint your perception of what the club thinks.

Chairman of the Chairman’s Fanclub tm
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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Who knows if there s any truth in it. But its all over the rags he has rejected a move to spurs and is holding out for the Scousers. Likely click bait as I imagine no one really knows. But still, I think the spurs board need to realise that they arent going to sign anyone.unless they put up the money. Especially considering the pulling power of London. Get on with it. All this fucking about achieves nothing but fan pessimism.
 

morris25

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Liverpool don't need him, he has no where to go. Probably end up at West ham in the summer when they pay him loads
 

am_yisrael_chai

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So our difference in perceiving the club’s view is largely that you see Poch as a willing taker of Levy’s rules - fundamentally unhappy but readily compliant. Whereas I see Levy and Poch as being entirely on the same page and pulling in the same direction.

I suppose it’s trivial for me to say that the weight of evidence from itk and press conferences supports my view more than yours.

Obviously we have even bigger differences when it comes to the normative discussion of how we think the club SHOULD behave. You believe we should spend more to kick on; I am a little more patient...for now. I am highly tolerant of your view though in this regard. I think it is reasonable - it’s just that you allow your view of how the club should behave taint your perception of what the club thinks.

Chairman of the Chairman’s Fanclub tm
I think my biggest difference from many on here is that I don’t believe that once the revenues really start to flow that we will see the benefits of that in terms of on the pitch quality. This is because I am ITK that ENIC are actively trying to sell the club and have been since the summer. That info / view radically skews my perspective. I suspect if the fan base knew that all the parsimony of the last few years wasn’t so we could have an amazing stadium that would then allow us to compete for the best players but instead was all just geared to the enrichment of Lewis/Levy that there would be very few BSoDL, but most live on in hope that the promised land is just around the corner.
 
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