He plays in the hole and central midfield and somewhat competent out wide. Very similar to Armando Shashoua.
The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19
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U9s are up playing MK dons on Sunday.
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How long do we wait for Llorente, then?
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Hang on, was he "totally found out" or was it the early exposure?
Sounds to me like he wasn't actually any good.
Can anyone name one example of a young player who had his career ruined by early playing time? Urban legend imo.
I’m interested in going to that. Any idea how to,get tickets?
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should be able to just turn up, no need for tickets.
Ok, thanks. I saw online (Spurs site I think) that tickets were £3 but I couldn't find anywhere to but them.
I plan to go. Happy to meet up with anyone Who is coming up
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Peter marinello. Ally dick. Paul rideout. Steve mckenzie... Recently at ours Jon bostock. Phil Ifill
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Bostocks problem was clearly not early exposure. It was the usual lack of playing time. Made a very bad decision to join us. Went from the Palace first team to our u18s which did him no good at all.
Iirc Ifil was another with exactly the same problem as most kids are having these days: more experienced players being bought to play ahead of them, thus not getting the playing time to continue their development.
I know nothing about the other three. But I would bet a fair amount that almost all the "victims" of early exposure were actually just the same as those two: lack of playing time. Sometimes it will be a case of the player not actually being any good, being "found out" like Slabber.
In a few years, people will be saying KWP was hurt by early playing time. Three starts, three wins, three MOMs, five assists. But he only ever plays if everyone else is injured.
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Steve mckenzie played against us in the 81 Cup final v man City.. Scored a fantastic goal.. Lauded as a future superstar.
Bostock?.. Come on.. Exposure was his problem playing in the first team. At 15..it killed him ffs got some first team Game time with us and was clearly lauded as ready and the best thing since sunblest? .. Now playing in Belgium I believe.
Ally dick was a future superstar.. Brought down. From. Scotland by Burkinshaw with us. ...got some first team. Game time.
Phil. Ifill. Wasn't that long ago
Santini gave him. His debut v Chelsea and I think he played the first 6games of that season for us.
Paul rideout was a big bustling center forward.. Was a child superstar.. To his own gumption stuck. It out in the lower leagues and got a couple of seasons late on in his career at Everton...
All introduced to first team. Football all. To young and it really did destroy there careers.
Marinello was the goons?.. The next George best.. Couldn't handle to exposure at all.. Was a decent player though, think. He went back. To Scotland and played lower leagues.
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Not once do you adress the actual reason for any of them failing.
Just because a player makes a couple of appearances at a young age and then fails proves nothing. Correlatory evidence or at least reasoning wozld be nice. Otherwise all you're doing is citing examples of players who failed. Which can be done for the counter argument just as (in-)effectively.
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The only caveat to that is around hunger - they need to learn, in formative years, that it's not just about talent. They need to keep working on the training ground as well.
They get too big for their boots too early.
But generally I know what you mean
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Bostock’s failure here had nothing to do with early playing time. Our coaches had the idea to try to remodel his game into a box-to-box midfielder Gerrard-type, when in reality his talents were more akin to a floating Silva, Carzola-type, just with a bigger frame.
It was a disaster and it took him years to recover.
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Obviously never has/did.? He found solice in the church too I believe
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Can anyone cite any examples of players where early playing time was actually the reason why they failed?
Not saying it's impossible. But anytime a player is mentioned, his failure was always clearly attributable to other factors and not the mere fact that he was allowed to play at an early age.
Not saying it's impossible. But anytime a player is mentioned, his failure was always clearly attributable to other factors and not the mere fact that he was allowed to play at an early age.
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Bostocks early playing time was at Palace. Where he was doing just fine. When he came to us, he disappeared straight into the usual youth-team-wait-a-few-years-for-the-odd-EL/league cup-game vortex.
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I heard from a very good source at the time that the youth coaches made an absolute horlicks of him, and instead of concentrating on what he could do very, very well, they kept concentrating on things he couldn't do, and totally broke his confidence.
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What do you want me to say.. I was there and he couldn't hack it?..
For every one that actually succeeds there's hundreds that fall away.. Failed as you have it even at the youth 16s to 21's stage.. Mostly I can say by being driven since a young age and just having enough and finding life etc ..that's through my own experience as a youth graded coach at a very good level..
I did have a couple of boys who went on to relative success and made a very good living as professionals.
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May I ask if you ever watch any of our usual youth team. Or reserve /u18/23's games.
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We seem to be talking about different things. I am questioning the cliché that early exposure to first team playing time can destroy a player. I doubt very much if this is true. I also find it suspicious that people will make this claim (he was good enough, but got played to early, which destroyed him) while at the same time claiming that the players who DON'T get real playing time and end up in the lower leagues were never good enough. All smacks to me of rationalizing a beloved/respected managers decisions.
You appear to be saying....what exactly? That not all youth team players make it?
Edit: sorry mate, just read this my own reply and it sounds a lot bitchier than it was meant. Genuinely not quite sure what exactly your argument is and whether we're even disagreeing about anything.
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