The Kyle Walker-Peters Thread

DJS · Nov 1, 2018

mpickard2087 said:
Paolo is right that Aurier is getting away far too easily from scrutiny. I do suspect that with some it's that with all the fanfare to his signing they're desperately hoping not to be proved wrong, but I digress......

This season he's a couple of fairly solid games (that still had some big question marks as to what he did at various stages) alongside one or two of his headless chicken ones. He's clearly got some ability and maybe he is on the cusp of his top form and we see the player we thought we were getting, as a Spurs fan I fucking hope so, but I think the evidence is being overblown. Last night again he was all over the place for the first 25 minutes, and he looked as suspect throughout as the rookie on the other flank did, if not more so in some aspects.

Aurier got a LOT of stick last season, especially about his naff throw ins so he hasn’t gotten away with anything.

It’s just that prior to his injury he’d actually had a couple of good games (which may be down to him actually having a proper pre-season with us).

I’ve seen plenty of people on here questioning why we signed him and advocating keeping Trippier / KWP as our right backs.

But the argument at moment is that KWP and Aurier perhaps show more promise and could be improved further, whereas Trippier seems to have reached his ceiling and isn’t quite what we need now when looking to step up even further.

dtxspurs · Nov 1, 2018

Paolo10 said:
I just can't take you seriously dtx.

I would challenge you to find another top team who starts a RB that is as slow and defensively suspect as Trippier.

mpickard2087 · Nov 1, 2018

DJS said:
Aurier got a LOT of stick last season, especially about his naff throw ins so he hasn’t gotten away with anything.

It’s just that prior to his injury he’d actually had a couple of good games (which may be down to him actually having a proper pre-season with us).

I’ve seen plenty of people on here questioning why we signed him and advocating keeping Trippier / KWP as our right backs.

But the argument at moment is that KWP and Aurier perhaps show more promise and could be improved further, whereas Trippier seems to have reached his ceiling and isn’t quite what we need now when looking to step up even further.

Fair enough re. last season. As for this one, the herd is currently against Trippier, and so the narrative is being constructed in favour of Aurier again. They weren't even particularly good games, lets be honest, solid enough for sure but not spectacular, and doesn't excuse the vast majority of comedy games that he's displayed for us.

Trippier needs to be more consistent.
Aurier needs to be a fucking great deal more consistent.
KWP needs to play football more than a Ranulph Fiennes-handful of times a season, the rest is up to him.

Japhet · Nov 1, 2018

DJS said:
Aurier got a LOT of stick last season, especially about his naff throw ins so he hasn’t gotten away with anything.

It’s just that prior to his injury he’d actually had a couple of good games (which may be down to him actually having a proper pre-season with us).

I’ve seen plenty of people on here questioning why we signed him and advocating keeping Trippier / KWP as our right backs.

But the argument at moment is that KWP and Aurier perhaps show more promise and could be improved further, whereas Trippier seems to have reached his ceiling and isn’t quite what we need now when looking to step up even further.

The throw in thing was blown up out of all proportion. It was noticed that he was doing it and he was rightly penalised, but you see players in virtually every game doing exactly the same thing and getting away with it.

spurs9 · Nov 1, 2018

mpickard2087 said:
Fair enough re. last season. As for this one, the herd is currently against Trippier, and so the narrative is being constructed in favour of Aurier again. They weren't even particularly good games, lets be honest, solid enough for sure but not spectacular, and doesn't excuse the vast majority of comedy games that he's displayed for us.

Trippier needs to be more consistent.
Aurier needs to be a fucking great deal more consistent.
KWP needs to play football more than a Ranulph Fiennes-handful of times a season, the rest is up to him.

I think that is because Aurier was so bad defensively v Newcastle that adequate seemed very good.

Paolo10 · Nov 1, 2018

dtxspurs said:
I would challenge you to find another top team who starts a RB that is as slow and defensively suspect as Trippier.

England? Isn't Trent Alexander Arnold faster than Tripps?

Why is he 'slow'? Because of being beaten by players like Sane and Sterling?! I'm curious as to why you rate pace so highly, this was something always laid at Harry's door too by his early critics (Don't think you were rooting for us at this point).

Defensively suspect? Ok, I'll play along...compared to Serge and KWP at this point though? It could be easily argued and evidenced that he's the least suspect fullback defensively we have based on performances to date.

Who have Serge and KWP had 'good' games against and who was Trippier had 'bad' games against? What was the context and level of these games and then which player deserves to be first choice on performance? Which of the 3 has proven to be the most trustworthy by the manager?

This is why KT is still first choice and why I expect him to remain so, I'd also expect the TEAM to realise that one on one against some of the faster players in the league, he'll need a bit of cover (as would ANY of our full backs tbf).

How long have you been a fan out of interest?

muppetman · Nov 1, 2018

Just caught up with the thread and am somewhat surprised at the poor press for KWP. Yes, he got out-muscled a few times by Antonio but I suspect he's not used to going up guys that big and strong. He got his timings better in the second half and didn't get knocked about so much.

I don't know if he will live up to the hype that Windy and some others have given but I thought he did really well for a young lad who hasn't played many senior minutes. Were people expecting the finished article? It rarely happens that with youth players - they need time.

Now as for KWP, if he won't get those minutes here then I'd really like a proper loan for him to get them but I wouldn't be upset about him playing right back with Tripps and Aurier perhaps filling in at LB where we seem to have a bit of an issue.

dtxspurs · Nov 1, 2018

Paolo10 said:
England? Isn't Trent Alexander Arnold faster than Tripps?

Why is he 'slow'? Because of being beaten by players like Sane and Sterling?! I'm curious as to why you rate pace so highly, this was something always laid at Harry's door too by his early critics (Don't think you were rooting for us at this point).

Defensively suspect? Ok, I'll play along...compared to Serge and KWP at this point though? It could be easily argued and evidenced that he's the least suspect fullback defensively we have based on performances to date.

Who have Serge and KWP had 'good' games against and who was Trippier had 'bad' games against? What was the context and level of these games and then which player deserves to be first choice on performance? Which of the 3 has proven to be the most trustworthy by the manager?

This is why KT is still first choice and why I expect him to remain so, I'd also expect the TEAM to realise that one on one against some of the faster players in the league, he'll need a bit of cover (as would ANY of our full backs tbf).

How long have you been a fan out of interest?

Top club teams pal. So you were unable to give me a single example, as I thought, because there aren't any.

He's slow because he's just slow..

I'm not saying Aurier or KWP are world beaters, it is just mine and many on this forums opinion that we would rather have those two be given a larger opportunity to show what they can do. I think Serges best game beats Tripps 10 times out of ten. Serge has the physical ability to defend wingers, and he also has a pretty decent cross.

Speed isn't important all over the field but at fullback when you are forced to cover a lot of ground on the flank you need to be fast, or either an really good defender to make up for it.

Started following the year before Bale left, so the summer Dembele and Jan arrived. I couldn't give less of a shit what you think of my opinion because of how long I've been a fan. It seems to be a few of you guys' only rebuttals at this point. Hard to follow the premier league in the states when the games weren't all televised and I grew up playing sports on the weekend.

DJS · Nov 1, 2018

Paolo10 said:
England? Isn't Trent Alexander Arnold faster than Tripps?

Why is he 'slow'? Because of being beaten by players like Sane and Sterling?! I'm curious as to why you rate pace so highly, this was something always laid at Harry's door too by his early critics (Don't think you were rooting for us at this point).

Defensively suspect? Ok, I'll play along...compared to Serge and KWP at this point though? It could be easily argued and evidenced that he's the least suspect fullback defensively we have based on performances to date.

Who have Serge and KWP had 'good' games against and who was Trippier had 'bad' games against? What was the context and level of these games and then which player deserves to be first choice on performance? Which of the 3 has proven to be the most trustworthy by the manager?

This is why KT is still first choice and why I expect him to remain so, I'd also expect the TEAM to realise that one on one against some of the faster players in the league, he'll need a bit of cover (as would ANY of our full backs tbf).

How long have you been a fan out of interest?

Really not relevant to the discussion re: our right backs.

dondo · Nov 1, 2018

3 right backs is not going to work.
Kwp needs to play week in week out. If poch rates him as no 3 right back he should go out on loan in jan

allpaths · Nov 1, 2018

Paolo10 said:
England? Isn't Trent Alexander Arnold faster than Tripps?

Why is he 'slow'? Because of being beaten by players like Sane and Sterling?! I'm curious as to why you rate pace so highly, this was something always laid at Harry's door too by his early critics (Don't think you were rooting for us at this point).

Defensively suspect? Ok, I'll play along...compared to Serge and KWP at this point though? It could be easily argued and evidenced that he's the least suspect fullback defensively we have based on performances to date.

Who have Serge and KWP had 'good' games against and who was Trippier had 'bad' games against? What was the context and level of these games and then which player deserves to be first choice on performance? Which of the 3 has proven to be the most trustworthy by the manager?

This is why KT is still first choice and why I expect him to remain so, I'd also expect the TEAM to realise that one on one against some of the faster players in the league, he'll need a bit of cover (as would ANY of our full backs tbf).

How long have you been a fan out of interest?

Trippier's lack of pace really hurts us in an attacking sense because he doesnt have the quickness or trickery to beat players one on one on the outside. This results in our attacking play to be slow and predictable. Allowing the dfending teams to clog the middle because they know we cant hurt them from the outside.

Trippier's lack of pace also gets him out of position, as he has to take more chances to get into attacking positions. This is why earlier this season we were getting torched playing 3 at the back, because Trippier would get caught upfield all game long, exposing our right flank. And now Alderwiereld doesn't have the pace to cover for his mistakes.

Trippier was and always has been a limited speacialist type player. Great when we were in our pomp, but now that the balance in our team has gone and our squad has gotten a bit stale, we need to move onto a proper Pochettino FB, that can run for days and strenches the opposition.

Paolo10 · Nov 1, 2018

It kind of is when there's a very vocal (strong post count to date joined ratio and tbh, most do seem to be American) section of the forum, who I do happen to think actually haven't got a clue about the game tbh. It's just my opinion, but it seems a lot of the newer additions to the forum do like to assign individual blame for every point lost or goal conceded and to be honest, that's not how I ever really view football.

I wouldn't want to drop a player like Harry for missing a chance any more that I would a defender like Trippier for making a mistake, it's when the mistakes are far too often (Serge) that I'd say otherwise. I've even more problem with it when the players in question, like Trippier and Davies, have been almost ever present in some of the best times ever being a Tottenham fan (and yes, over a longer period obviously).

Is Trippier more culpable for the loss than Lamela, who missed a sitter? Than whoever it was that lost Mahrez? I'd argue not.

IMO Too many here seem to put youth and pace in particular ahead of most characteristics of a player and don't look overall at what players bring to the table.

Trippier, Davies, Dier and Sissoko are all too often criticised incorrectly here IMHO.

Then you get some younger players being inflated to far higher expectation of their potential and value to the starting XI than performances suggest because of highlight reels and youth matches.

KWP needs a loan IMO. I'd sell Aurier and do think we need more pace at full back, but who the fuck did we sign to address these weaknesses? I would not trust either ahead of Trippier based on everything I've seen during all the players' time at Tottenham.

dtxspurs · Nov 1, 2018

Paolo10 said:
It kind of is when there's a very vocal (strong post count to date joined ratio and tbh, most do seem to be American) section of the forum who I do happen to think actually haven't got a clue about the game tbh. It's just my opinion, but it seems a lot of the newer additions to the forum do like to assign individual blame for every point lost or goal conceded and to be honest, that's not how I ever really view football.

Nice.

Paolo10 · Nov 1, 2018

Just my opinion...and also not Spam.

Neg repping is a big thing for some of you too.

allpaths · Nov 1, 2018

Paolo10 said:
It kind of is when there's a very vocal (strong post count to date joined ratio and tbh, most do seem to be American) section of the forum, who I do happen to think actually haven't got a clue about the game tbh. It's just my opinion, but it seems a lot of the newer additions to the forum do like to assign individual blame for every point lost or goal conceded and to be honest, that's not how I ever really view football.

I wouldn't want to drop a player like Harry for missing a chance any more that I would a defender like Trippier for making a mistake, it's when the mistakes are far too often (Serge) that I'd say otherwise. I've even more problem with it when the players in question, like Trippier and Davies have been almost ever present in some of the best times ever being a Tottenham fan (and yes, over a longer period obviously).

Is Trippier more culpable for the loss than Lamela, who missed a sitter? Than whoever it was that lost Mahrez? I'd argue not.

IMO Too many here seem to put youth and pace in particular ahead of most characteristics of a player and don't look overall at what players bring to the table.

Trippier, Davies, Dier and Sissoko are all too often criticised incorrectly here IMHO.

Then you get some younger players being inflated to far higher expectation of their potential and value to the starting XI than performances suggest because of highlight reels and youth matches.

KWP needs a loan IMO. I'd sell Aurier and do think we need more pace at full back, but who the fuck did we sign to address these weaknesses? I would not trust either ahead of Trippier based on everything I've seen during all the players' time at Tottenham.

Mate take a day off. I agree a lot of fans can jump the gun when criticizing players. Some fans are pathetically disloyal to our players. But if you cant see the systematic problems that having Davies and Trippier as our starting FBs then you'll just never get it.

Paolo10 · Nov 1, 2018

Systematic problem? That doesn't seem to be the manager's opinion who sees the players every day.

Poch being the best manager we've had in a long long time.

allpaths · Nov 1, 2018

Paolo10 said:
Systematic problem? That doesn't seem to be the manager's opinion who sees the players every day.

Poch being the best manager we've had in a long long time.

Great arguement, manger knows best so no point of ever discussing any matter ever. lol. Just bc Poch has been the best manager we've had doesnt mean he isn't succeptable of making a laspe in judgement. I feel the whole way he handled the Walker sitution to be the biggest misstep of his spurs career, and his stubborness to persist with Trippier is a symptom of that period.

If you don't understand that our lack of pace of FB is a problem, and that we are playing relatively worse football since the Walker/Rose tandem. Then I cant help you.

Shadydan · Nov 1, 2018

The delusion is incredible

wrd · Nov 1, 2018

I honestly don't see how people can't see the weaknesses in Davies and Trippier. They both consistently get caught out of position and give the opposing team numerous chances, hell even against Fulham how many times did Hugo have to save us?

However what I really disagree with is the fact that Aurier has to come in, with 1 game every 5/6 games and is judged on that game, he needs a consistent run in the team to be judged properly this season in my opinion. He played lb yesterday which is even a worse scope to judge him on but in his games for us this season he has done well and deserves the opportunity to stake his claim given that Trippier has not had a great start to the season. I don't think it's fair to write off players when you lack any kind of momentum and need a couple of games to get into the swing of things. A lot of players are given far more rope to hang themselves than others in here.

soflapaul · Nov 1, 2018

All the arguments on here have substance behind them because all three of our right backs have flaws. Aurier has judgement issues. Trippier has issues with pace. KWP doesn't have the experience. Perhaps with time and Poch's tutelage, Aurier's decision making can improves. Perhaps Poch can use formation more effectively with Trippier rendering his pace less important (and help him on his judgement too as he does sometimes stab at the ball in the wrong location). Perhaps, KWP will get that experience that allows him to play with more savvy. But suffice it to say, none of these guys is a slam dunk week in, week out player. That makes using them more situational based on the opponent which then forces adjustment to the team's tactics. At this point, it isn't an either or as no one has stepped forward to make a clear and unambiguous claim on the position.

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