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widmerpool said:

I think I agree with @WorcesterTHFC and @Gb160 on the key difference. I don't think that someone who eats meat, watches hunt racing and poisons vermin, but abhors fox hunting and bullfighting has a faulty moral compass. That's more or less where mine is calibrated.

But it's worth acknowledging that one's moral perspective on animal rights can be a tad arbitrary or self-serving, especially when getting really cross with someone else on the matter. And if, like @yanno, you think it's relevant that the offender is rich, or the animal is "majestic", you're definitely over-reliant on emotional reactions.

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yanno said:

Thanks for the condescending nonsense.

Do you know what a "canned iion" hunt is?

I'm a filmmaker, and one of my best friends went undercover, at some personal risk, to help expose this obscene practice.

Here's a starter for ten:

Moreson ranch is one of more than 160 such farms legally breeding big cats in South Africa. There are now more lions held in captivity (upwards of 5,000) in the country than live wild (about 2,000). While the owners of this ranch insist they do not hunt and kill their lions, animal welfare groups say most breeders sell their stock to be shot dead by wealthy trophy-hunters from Europe and North America, or for traditional medicine in Asia. The easy slaughter of animals in fenced areas is called "canned hunting", perhaps because it's rather like shooting fish in a barrel. A fully-grown, captive-bred lion is taken from its pen to an enclosed area where it wanders listlessly for some hours before being shot dead by a man with a shotgun, hand-gun or even a crossbow, standing safely on the back of a truck. forHe pays anything from £5,000 to £25,000, and it is all completely legal.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/jun/03/canned-hunting-lions-bred-slaughter

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widmerpool said:

Sounds much less cruel than fox hunting or bullfighting, to be honest.

Weird and creepy thing to do or to watch, obviously.

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TheChosenOne said:

Sanchez is back in training apparently..

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/01/alexis-sanchez-arsenal-community-shield-return

Glory hunter.

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widmerpool said:

Would you say that about everyone who watches the Grand National?

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nightgoat said:

The obvious difference is that the horses are destroyed away from the cameras, so the people watching can pretend it doesn't happen if they prefer.

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bubble07 said:

Watching the scum charity shield really hit home the depth arsenal have

No koschelny, mustafi, ozil, sanchez, giroud, walcott, kolasinac starting

Depressing

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bubble07 said:

Watching the scum charity shield really hit home the depth arsenal have

No koschelny, mustafi, ozil, sanchez, giroud, walcott, kolasinac starting

Depressing

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Hitch said:

I'm not watching the game but looking at their line-up I was struck by how incredibly mediocre it seemed to be. Obviously they will be significantly improved once the above players return, but I don't view today's match as a signal of great depth on their part. Quite the opposite.

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bubble07 said:

Alao chelsea have similar depth of quality as us now. About 15 players

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