Marcus Edwards leaving rumour?

yido_number1 · Jun 15, 2015

nightgoat said:
I think the only young English player who has gone to Chelsea or City in the last decade or so and actually been a success has been Joe Hart. Pretty much every other player has been an overwhelming failure.

James Milner, Joleon Lescott (not a complete failure), Joe Cole all did alright. To be fair to Rodwell he has suffered badly with hamstring injuries as much as anything.... Which players that have gone to city and Chelsea have actually been massive failures (Sinclair, )?

We have just as big a record of ruining players that were extremely promising: Dean Parrott, Lee Mills, Calum Davenport, Wayne Routledge, John Bostock are the few I can think of. Only under Poch/Sherwood can we say we are bringing through a number of academy players.

For any young player there is a big risk in going to a big team for a pay day. Ultimately if they are good enough and motivated enough they will make it. The state of the England teams of the last 10 years says we haven't produced enough talented players to fill every top premier league team.

worcestersauce · Jun 15, 2015

yido_number1 said:
James Milner, Joleon Lescott (not a complete failure), Joe Cole all did alright. To be fair to Rodwell he has suffered badly with hamstring injuries as much as anything.... Which players that have gone to city and Chelsea have actually been massive failures (Sinclair, )?

We have just as big a record of ruining players that were extremely promising: Dean Parrott, Lee Mills, Calum Davenport, Wayne Routledge, John Bostock are the few I can think of. Only under Poch/Sherwood can we say we are bringing through a number of academy players.

For any young player there is a big risk in going to a big team for a pay day. Ultimately if they are good enough and motivated enough they will make it. The state of the England teams of the last 10 years says we haven't produced enough talented players to fill every top premier league team.

Joe Cole was a Premier league regular at West Ham when he went to Chelsea so in all honesty the last chelsea player to come through the youth system was John Terry well before the megalomaniac took over since when we've brought in youngsters such as Aaron Lennon, Tom Huddlestone and Danny Rose to name three who came as young teenagers.
And I didn't even mention Gareth Bale

To be honest the vast majority of youngsters with potential don't make it so the chances of more than one or two being at one club and making it into the team of a top club are very low which I guess means we have to admit, if we are honest, what an amazing thing West Ham did to bring through the players they did at the end of the eighties / start of the nineties, mind you they all pissed off pretty quickly.

yido_number1 · Jun 15, 2015

worcestersauce said:
Joe Cole was a Premier league regular at West Ham when he went to Chelsea so in all honesty the last chelsea player to come through the youth system was John Terry well before the megalomaniac took over since when we've brought in youngsters such as Aaron Lennon, Tom Huddlestone and Danny Rose to name three who came as young teenagers.
And I didn't even mention Gareth Bale
To be honest the vast majority of youngsters with potential don't make it so the chances of more than one or two being at one club and making it into the team of a top club are very low which I guess means we have to admit, if we are honest, what an amazing thing West Ham did to bring through the players they did at the end of the eighties / start of the nineties, mind you they all pissed off pretty quickly.

If you wanted to guarantee games and time on the pitch your best bet would be someone like a Palace, Burnley, Villa (random but they have blooded a lot of players recently), Southampton, Bournemouth etc...

garryparkerschest · Jun 15, 2015

worcestersauce said:
Joe Cole was a Premier league regular at West Ham when he went to Chelsea so in all honesty the last chelsea player to come through the youth system was John Terry well before the megalomaniac took over since when we've brought in youngsters such as Aaron Lennon, Tom Huddlestone and Danny Rose to name three who came as young teenagers.
And I didn't even mention Gareth Bale
To be honest the vast majority of youngsters with potential don't make it so the chances of more than one or two being at one club and making it into the team of a top club are very low which I guess means we have to admit, if we are honest, what an amazing thing West Ham did to bring through the players they did at the end of the eighties / start of the nineties, mind you they all pissed off pretty quickly.

Wasn't it the end of the 90's, start of the 00's. It could be argued that the bunch of youngsters produced by West Ham were better than Man Utd's class of 92.

That's the difference between a big club and a small one, a big club makes a dynasty from it and a small one just sells them and get relegated...

nightgoat · Jun 15, 2015

Shea said:
Wasn't hart brought to city long before the billionaire oil take over? If so I wouldn't even include him

Yeah, fair point actually.

yido_number1 said:
James Milner, Joleon Lescott (not a complete failure), Joe Cole all did alright. To be fair to Rodwell he has suffered badly with hamstring injuries as much as anything.... Which players that have gone to city and Chelsea have actually been massive failures (Sinclair, )?

We have just as big a record of ruining players that were extremely promising: Dean Parrott, Lee Mills, Calum Davenport, Wayne Routledge, John Bostock are the few I can think of. Only under Poch/Sherwood can we say we are bringing through a number of academy players.

For any young player there is a big risk in going to a big team for a pay day. Ultimately if they are good enough and motivated enough they will make it. The state of the England teams of the last 10 years says we haven't produced enough talented players to fill every top premier league team.

Milner had been a Premier League player for eight seasons by the time Man City bought him. Lescott was just about to turn 27 and had 325 league appearances to his name. Neither were what you would consider promising young players. Joe Cole did do well, although at the time he was the most hyped young English player since Gazza and Abramovich had only just taken over a month before - there weren't quite the same obstacles to first team places as there are now.

And anyway, I'm more thinking of players like Tom Taiwo and Michael Woods (and there's probably many more players who were enticed in similar fashion, Izzy Brown may well turn out to be another - he'd probably have at least 20+ PL appearances by now if he'd stayed at West Brom) who went to Chelsea as hot prospects and then disappeared - players more akin to where Edwards is now in terms of career progression.

I'd hardly say we ruined Wayne Routledge. He started the first game of the season after he joined and broke his foot - allowing an even younger player to come into the team and nail his place down for the best part of ten years. As it was, Routledge had two decent PL loans whilst still a Spurs player. If anything, going to Villa stunted his career, but five or six years since going to Newcastle he's had a pretty good career as a PL player. Dean Parrett and Calum Davenport both had first team opportunities at Spurs, but ultimately weren't good enough.

yido_number1 · Jun 15, 2015

nightgoat said:
Yeah, fair point actually.

Milner had been a Premier League player for eight seasons by the time Man City bought him. Lescott was just about to turn 27 and had 325 league appearances to his name. Neither were what you would consider promising young players. Joe Cole did do well, although at the time he was the most hyped young English player since Gazza and Abramovich had only just taken over a month before - there weren't quite the same obstacles to first team places as there are now.

And anyway, I'm more thinking of players like Tom Taiwo and Michael Woods (and there's probably many more players who were enticed in similar fashion, Izzy Brown may well turn out to be another - he'd probably have at least 20+ PL appearances by now if he'd stayed at West Brom) who went to Chelsea as hot prospects and then disappeared - players more akin to where Edwards is now in terms of career progression.

I'd hardly say we ruined Wayne Routledge. He started the first game of the season after he joined and broke his foot - allowing an even younger player to come into the team and nail his place down for the best part of ten years. As it was, Routledge had two decent PL loans whilst still a Spurs player. If anything, going to Villa stunted his career, but five or six years since going to Newcastle he's had a pretty good career as a PL player. Dean Parrett and Calum Davenport both had first team opportunities at Spurs, but ultimately weren't good enough.

The point I was making is that it could happen at any club and has happened with us as well. A lot of my friends are palace fans and constantly say how we've ruined Bostock and Routledges career. So many of the promising youth players every club signs just don't develop as planned either physically or mentally. I wouldn't say City are any worse than us at not bringing them into the team. For every Kane there is an Obika and every Ledley their is a Rodrigo defendi.

worcestersauce · Jun 15, 2015

garryparkerschest said:
Wasn't it the end of the 90's, start of the 00's. It could be argued that the bunch of youngsters produced by West Ham were better than Man Utd's class of 92.

That's the difference between a big club and a small one, a big club makes a dynasty from it and a small one just sells them and get relegated...

Indeed it was, the decades all merge into each other these days, perhaps its my age.

thekneaf · Jun 15, 2015

yido_number1 said:
The point I was making is that it could happen at any club and has happened with us as well. A lot of my friends are palace fans and constantly say how we've ruined Bostock and Routledges career. So many of the promising youth players every club signs just don't develop as planned either physically or mentally. I wouldn't say City are any worse than us at not bringing them into the team. For every Kane there is an Obika and every Ledley their is a Rodrigo defendi.

I agree that transitioning a great youth player into a first team mainstay is tricky. But come on, City do not try. Chelsea so not try (although they are vastly better than City). Whatever Edwards decides to do, he can see that at Tottenham we are heavily invested in getting the most out of our youth teams. The rest is up to him and his family. Whatever happens I hope we see him dancing through PL defences for a decade to come.

Drexl · Jun 15, 2015

Promise him a few Europa/league cup games next season, even if it is off the bench, so what if he is 15, if he good enough he old enough

SlickMongoose · Jun 15, 2015

If he chooses Barca then i'll be gutted, but fair enough. If he chooses City or Chelsea then he's an idiot.

nightgoat · Jun 15, 2015

yido_number1 said:
The point I was making is that it could happen at any club and has happened with us as well. A lot of my friends are palace fans and constantly say how we've ruined Bostock and Routledges career. So many of the promising youth players every club signs just don't develop as planned either physically or mentally. I wouldn't say City are any worse than us at not bringing them into the team. For every Kane there is an Obika and every Ledley their is a Rodrigo defendi.

Like @thekneaf said, the opportunities given to young players to break into the first team at clubs like Spurs, Arsenal and Southampton are far, far greater than they are at Man City and Chelsea. City were actually pretty good before the Sheikhs came along - Hart, Richards, Ireland, Johnson, but no one since. Do they even have a promising young player likely to get some first team games next season? Chelsea could have had Bertrand, but as soon as he had a full season of games he subsequently went out on loan again and was then sold having been shunted out by Azpilictueta and then Felipe Luis.

Blake Griffin · Jun 15, 2015

Drexl said:
Promise him a few Europa/league cup games next season, even if it is off the bench, so what if he is 15, if he good enough he old enough

he's 17 in december but i agree that age shouldn't be a factor if we think they're good enough and mentally ready for 1st team football, we don't have to wait until they hit their 20s just because. there is a massive difference between u17/18 football which is what he's been playing and senior football but it's hard to imagine someone so sharp in mind and foot not being able to transfer it across.

Khilari · Jun 15, 2015

I can't find him on the Spurs Academy website first or second year teams nor in the development squad photos. But maybe it was a 'man-look'.

But then saying that, Musa Yahaya isn't there either.

IGSpur · Jun 15, 2015

Khilari said:
I can't find him on the Spurs Academy website first or second year teams nor in the development squad photos. But maybe it was a 'man-look'.

But then saying that, Musa Yahaya isn't there either.

He's too young to be a first year scholar yet, he will be there next year. Yahaya isn't there because he isn't ours yet and most likely will not be

Romulus · Jun 15, 2015

Drexl said:
Promise him a few Europa/league cup games next season, even if it is off the bench, so what if he is 15, if he good enough he old enough

im not in favour of promising anyone anything, he needs to get his head down and learn and hopefully in a couple of years he will be good enough for the first team and then get an opportunity

YiddoInPoland · Jun 15, 2015

Confuses me this, didn't Rooney not have a contract at 16? Don't know why you can't have one at 16 as you can work. Also, Does't that kid from norway have a contract at madrid??

Have no idea about this kid, but if he is as talented as people are saying then it would be in our interest (and his considering the route to the first team for academy players is our strategy) as it could save us a bunch of money on the future.

Unfortunantly if agents have started sniffing who knows whats going on.

beats1 · Jun 15, 2015

SlickMongoose said:
If he chooses Barca then i'll be gutted, but fair enough. If he chooses City or Chelsea then he's an idiot.

Disagree, barca academy has been poor recently, there are major issues with the club and how they have fucked up their development plans

newbie · Jun 15, 2015

Lilbaz said:
He did post a tweet a few months ago saying he was done with spurs. No-one was sure if it meant he was leaving or he was going off with england or something.
This has been a worry. But ask him on twitter. I'm not on twitter so can't but i'm sure a few people on here are.

I don't think he said with spurs just I am done with this or something. People keep speculating on very little. His a young so it could mean a million things. Maybe he wants peace and quite from worried spurs fans.

spurs9 · Jun 15, 2015

Khilari said:
I can't find him on the Spurs Academy website first or second year teams nor in the development squad photos. But maybe it was a 'man-look'.

But then saying that, Musa Yahaya isn't there either.

Yahaya won't be there until he actually signs (if he gets a work permit). Edwards isn't there, because he technically doesn't join the "academy" (essentially players 16-18) until this season, so knowing our website, that intake won't be on there until January. Roles, Brown, Mukena, Tsaroulla, Bennetts, Oteh & Shashoua have all signed scholorships (confirmed) but none are on the website. I believe we are just waiting for confirmation on Streling, Edwards, Tangana, Whiteman, Ducan and Marsh.

spurs9 · Jun 15, 2015

newbie said:
I don't think he said with spurs just I am done with this or something. People keep speculating on very little. His a young so it could mean a million things. Maybe he wants peace and quite from worried spurs fans.

Lilbaz said:
He did post a tweet a few months ago saying he was done with spurs. No-one was sure if it meant he was leaving or he was going off with england or something.
This has been a worry. But ask him on twitter. I'm not on twitter so can't but i'm sure a few people on here are.

His tweet said "Defo Leaving" which was the same day our under 18s played and he wasn't in the squad, it could be nothing, it could be something or he could be a Sunderland ITK and just spelled Jermain's name wrong.

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