General feeling moving in the right direction or way off?

rossdapep · Mar 4, 2015

As others have rightly pointed out, we currently make too many defensive mistakes and we do offer too much space in and around our penaltyarea. It's going to be interesting to see if poch adapts our system to shut down space, if he changes personnel with those that make positional errors (walker, rose) or if he brings in a more protective midfielder. I'm still not convinced with Fazio and Verts is still capable of losing focus at crucial times. Lots of work still to be done.

Ghost Hardware · Mar 4, 2015

Its all well and good playing a high press but because of the pace needed to use it effectively it is a breeding ground for mistakes. This will only become more apparent as the season moves on as mental and physical exhaustion becomes more apparent. Beyond that it seems we completely crumble against any team who also plays a high press. Fitness has obviously had a big improvement this season but i feel that improvement has been completely negated by the large amount of games we have played by this point of the season. Ultimately i think we are probably taking up a league position that is completely representative of our level at this time. More so now then any other point this season i don't see top four as even a remote possibility. Liverpool have had a complete turn around and look justified, not lucky, in getting top four. Surprisingly Southampton have still hung on and could well end up above us, which would be ironic. I think the off season, new transfer etc will signify how the Poch revolution is going. I do feel however that signing the likes of Reid and Ings, although good players, will not elevate us into a top four team. Its a shame that Pool have managed to turn it around as out of all big clubs they were the ones who i think we had the best chance of eclipsing. Time will tell but as of now i am nether happy nor sad about how things are going.

yojambo · Mar 4, 2015

I'm staggered people are unsure of how things are going. I can't remember the last time I felt this proud of our team.

sunnydelight786 · Mar 4, 2015

yojambo said:
I'm staggered people are unsure of how things are going. I can't remember the last time I felt this proud of our team.

Proud of exactly what? Yes we have blooded some of our youth products in but apart from that what else is there to be proud of? We lost the third rated comp in this nation to a London rival without ever troubling them, got knocked out of the FA cup to the bottom of the league teams reserves and threw away our EL spot by playing a weakened side after a 9 day break in the first leg. Our league form has been patchy to say the least, you can count the number of top performances on the fingers of one hand. Luckily for us CFC and MCFC aside everyone else has been average in the league, so we still stand a chance of getting a CL spot. Lets see what MP is all about now he has a week between games to get his tactics right and we have a ok run in....

yojambo · Mar 4, 2015

sunnydelight786 said:
Proud of exactly what? Yes we have blooded some of our youth products in but apart from that what else is there to be proud of? We lost the third rated comp in this nation to a London rival without ever troubling them, got knocked out of the FA cup to the bottom of the league teams reserves and threw away our EL spot by playing a weakened side after a 9 day break in the first leg. Our league form has been patchy to say the least, you can count the number of top performances on the fingers of one hand. Luckily for us CFC and MCFC aside everyone else has been average in the league, so we still stand a chance of getting a CL spot. Lets see what MP is all about now he has a week between games to get his tactics right and we have a ok run in....

Well what are you expecting? In the last 20 years we've won the cup twice and been in the CL once. We've never been regular champions or CL participants. That's the reality of the team you support.

ethanedwards · Mar 4, 2015

yojambo said:
I'm staggered people are unsure of how things are going. I can't remember the last time I felt this proud of our team.

Not sure of what you are sure about, by all means feel proud of the team, bit puzzled as to why you are staggered.

thinktank · Mar 4, 2015

yojambo said:
I'm staggered people are unsure of how things are going. I can't remember the last time I felt this proud of our team.

They have the memory of goldfish.

lukespurs7 · Mar 4, 2015

Gaz_Gammon said:
Poor left and right back dicipline. Rose is a supposed left back that no other team wanting to be in or remain in the CL would court.

Walker is poor positionally and switches off a couple of times a game.

For me our center halfs are our strongest point of defence with good cover.

Poch will have to either coach Rose and Walker to improve or replace (or drop) but to continue with the same okd, same old is to me pointless.

Again today defence let us down, but think goals were more from poor concentration and marking than individual errors?!

Beautiful football from us, joy to watch just need to sort the defending out a bit.

HotspurFC1950 · Mar 6, 2015

rossdapep said:
As others have rightly pointed out, we currently make too many defensive mistakes and we do offer too much space in and around our penaltyarea. It's going to be interesting to see if poch adapts our system to shut down space, if he changes personnel with those that make positional errors (walker, rose) or if he brings in a more protective midfielder. I'm still not convinced with Fazio and Verts is still capable of losing focus at crucial times. Lots of work still to be done.

yojambo said:
I'm staggered people are unsure of how things are going. I can't remember the last time I felt this proud of our team.

Hear hear.

Essexyid07 · Mar 6, 2015

We seem to be heading in the right direction and whilst poch was not my fav choice to be boss he' s doing ok without being spectacular. I personally would like him to be backed with a couple of top top class signings in the summer to compliment our players we have developed & brought through whilst 6th or 7th maybe acceptable this season surely it's not in the coming seasons?? And by that I don't mean he should be sacked I mean he should be backed.
COYS

Main Man · Mar 6, 2015

CheeseGromit said:
AVB had all the hall marks o making it big but came up short when compensating for a lack of a full talent squad. You just cant lose a significant number of games by a big margin His system was better suited for away games and was not robust enough to cope with the fact every week was a tough game

MoPo has a similar system to AVB but is more flexible in play and choice of player We are still better away from home because as a relatively high ranked league club opposition at WHL come for a point not a win

I keep reading this nonsense and it is all a complete myth.

AVB had some huge defeats, but his record actually still reads better than Poch's in terms of points per game against top four teams.

AVB also had a better record against the 'rest' so to speak also in terms of points per game.

Poch and AVBs system are almost identical, and I think it is a flip of a coin as to who is more stubborn. The similarities between the two are massive.

The difference this season for me, seems to be the players. They either believe in this manager and 'his' way of thinking, or they have finally accepted what they need to do if they want to make it here. I would say it is a bit of both.

Main Man · Mar 6, 2015

Everlasting Seconds said:
At present, the only sure thing is that we are moving sideways. Tales about average squad age and future prosperity does not amaze me. It could have been 11 19 year olds loosing to Chelsea yesterday, and I would not have cared. I don't follow football to see how good players are relative to their age, if I did I would have gone to old boys matches with Sheringham.

We all know Tottenham. We are not a club who most often can enjoy their players at their prime. Save a few examples, the majority of our players are always too young or too old. The only thing we can say for certain, is what we've got right now. And right now, we have a squad which is not improving as fast as close competitors are.

Think 3 years back. How did the squad look in January 2012? Are we not affected by huge changes? Just because we now see a squad with young kids, doesn't mean that we will rock the world of football in 2018. Too many other variables are influencing, and good kids are popping up everywhere. Kids who will be gathered by the Cities & Chelseas, and nullify the future threat of our squad. And I have not even begun to talk about teams who will buy players from us.

I am not celebrating anything other than results, goals, successful tactics and really good match management. And I see far too little of all of that to be more optimistic now than I have been in the past. We now have 12 matches left of the season, and no excuses. Soon there are no mid week matches. No long trips to places in Europe we can't even pronounce. Now we have the every day football so many of you crave. Match once a week in PL. If we are anything better than moving sideways, and all the excuses are correct, then now is when we will see the best part of our season.

I will not hold my breath, though.

Best and most accurate post I have ever read on this forum.

Well done, Sir!

Shadydan · Mar 6, 2015

If you compare and contrast to where our club was this time last season and remember how disillusioned you were as a fan as to where the club was going, to this season then it's pretty obvious we're moving forward.

In terms of on the pitch performances then yes some of the criticisms are valid, we are leaking too many goals and for the most part our performances have been pretty average, but then you need to take into account that the players are still learning the coaches philosophy and adapting to his methods and it'll take more than a year to iron out the creases. I'm just happy that we have some sort of identity now and we are looking towards youth which means that there is more chance of stability in the squad.

I want to see progress next season in terms of more youth players coming in, I want to see our defence less penetrable because this is a massive Achilles heel, I want to see more free flowing football with harder defensive pressing and more work ethic and I think we can achieve that.

Kendall · Mar 6, 2015

Shadydan said:
If you compare and contrast to where our club was this time last season and remember how disillusioned you were as a fan as to where the club was going, to this season then it's pretty obvious we're moving forward.

In terms of on the pitch performances then yes some of the criticisms are valid, we are leaking too many goals and for the most part our performances have been pretty average, but then you need to take into account that the players are still learning the coaches philosophy and adapting to his methods and it'll take more than a year to iron out the creases. I'm just happy that we have some sort of identity now and we are looking towards youth which means that there is more chance of stability in the squad.

I want to see progress next season in terms of more youth players coming in, I want to see our defence less penetrable because this is a massive Achilles heel, I want to see more free flowing football with harder defensive pressing and more work ethic and I think we can achieve that.

'The philosophy' is already understood. It's the stupid mistakes and the lack of creativity in posession.

Oh and learn how to deliver and attack a corner FFS.

Sp3akerboxxx · Mar 6, 2015

Ghost Hardware said:
Its all well and good playing a high press but because of the pace needed to use it effectively it is a breading ground for mistakes. This will only become more apparent as the season moves on as mental and physical exhaustion becomes more apparent. Beyond that it seems we completely crumble against any team who also plays a high press. Fitness has obviously had a big improvement this season but i feel that improvement has been completely negated by the large amount of games we have played by this point of the season. Ultimately i think we are probably taking up a league position that is completely representative of our level at this time. More so now then any other point this season i don't see top four as even a remote possibility. Liverpool have had a complete turn around and look justified, not lucky, in getting top four. Surprisingly Southampton have still hung on and could well end up above us, which would be ironic. I think the off season, new transfer etc will signify how the Poch revolution is going. I do feel however that signing the likes of Reid and Ings, although good players, will not elevate us into a top four team. Its a shame that Pool have managed to turn it around as out of all big clubs they were the ones who i think we had the best chance of eclipsing. Time will tell but as of now i am nether happy nor sad about how things are going.

Must be why opposition players constantly have our full backs on toast

Supersi32 · Mar 6, 2015

Ghost Hardware said:
Its all well and good playing a high press but because of the pace needed to use it effectively it is a breading ground for mistakes. This will only become more apparent as the season moves on as mental and physical exhaustion becomes more apparent. Beyond that it seems we completely crumble against any team who also plays a high press. Fitness has obviously had a big improvement this season but i feel that improvement has been completely negated by the large amount of games we have played by this point of the season. Ultimately i think we are probably taking up a league position that is completely representative of our level at this time. More so now then any other point this season i don't see top four as even a remote possibility. Liverpool have had a complete turn around and look justified, not lucky, in getting top four. Surprisingly Southampton have still hung on and could well end up above us, which would be ironic. I think the off season, new transfer etc will signify how the Poch revolution is going. I do feel however that signing the likes of Reid and Ings, although good players, will not elevate us into a top four team. Its a shame that Pool have managed to turn it around as out of all big clubs they were the ones who i think we had the best chance of eclipsing. Time will tell but as of now i am nether happy nor sad about how things are going.

Whilst Liverpool played very well against a faltering Man City, it should be noted that in the preceeding games they scaped a point at home to Leicester despite leading 2-0, pondered past a poor Sunderland, struggled away at Villa eventually winning, stole the points of us and were totally outplayed by Southampton who have seemingly lost the ability to score.

Shadydan · Mar 6, 2015

Kendall said:
'The philosophy' is already understood. It's the stupid mistakes and the lack of creativity in posession.

Oh and learn how to deliver and attack a corner FFS.

The players haven't become fully accustomed to it, I'm not just talking about the starting eleven

Gbspurs · Mar 6, 2015

The best thing about the current set up is that it doesn't feel like we are reliant on the players we have to succeed.

Poch is trying to build a philosophy and it appears we are trying to assist with our scouting set up and player recruitment moving forward.

A good summer would he getting rid of as much deadwood as possible, integrating some of the stand out yoof (Pritchard, Alli etc) and adding some of the type of players Poch wants to make an instant impact (Rodriguez, Moreno, Depay etc).

I believe regardless of who stays and goes we will enter next season better equipped to succeed than we did this season, which isn't something we usually feel.

CheeseGromit · Mar 6, 2015

Main Man said:
I keep reading this nonsense and it is all a complete myth.

AVB had some huge defeats, but his record actually still reads better than Poch's in terms of points per game against top four teams.

AVB also had a better record against the 'rest' so to speak also in terms of points per game.

Poch and AVBs system are almost identical, and I think it is a flip of a coin as to who is more stubborn. The similarities between the two are massive.

The difference this season for me, seems to be the players. They either believe in this manager and 'his' way of thinking, or they have finally accepted what they need to do if they want to make it here. I would say it is a bit of both.

So you start a post saying its a myth and then write a post that is broadly similar to the contents
You seem to equate that to the players attitude
My observations come from going and watching most weeks not looking at Stats to tell me what's going on

If you tell me that Bentelab and Mason although occupying the same 2 midfield roles that both AVB and Poch use then I cannot believe you have watched what is going on

Perhaps just perhaps the players attitude comes from the Coach

Secondly I sit in the East stand adjacent to the South stand. You will never convince me that AVB and Poch adopt the same style. I was board out of my scull with AVB and probably went half a seSon with seeing a goal scored at that end.

It realty isn't about this stat or other it is about making progress and crushing defeats with no answer is debilitating and that will get worse not better unanswered

Your post opening is just annoying

yojambo · Mar 6, 2015

CheeseGromit said:
So you start a post saying its a myth and then write a post that is broadly similar to the contents
You seem to equate that to the players attitude
My observations come from going and watching most weeks not looking at Stats to tell me what's going on

If you tell me that Bentelab and Mason although occupying the same 2 midfield roles that both AVB and Poch use then I cannot believe you have watched what is going on

Perhaps just perhaps the players attitude comes from the Coach

Secondly I sit in the East stand adjacent to the South stand. You will never convince me that AVB and Poch adopt the same style. I was board out of my scull with AVB and probably went half a seSon with seeing a goal scored at that end.

It realty isn't about this stat or other it is about making progress and crushing defeats with no answer is debilitating and that will get worse not better unanswered

Your post opening is just annoying

Yeah i find surprising that some see similarities between the systems of AVB and Pochettino. Biggest difference for me is AVB would always set his team up not be defeated, thats why we hardly ever scored in the first half under him. Pochettino sets his team up to go out and win from the start, which is huge mentality shift.

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