Weekend Football 18/19 Jan 2014

Shea · Jan 18, 2014

PG Spurs said:
Unfortunately TV refs in other sports make stupid decisions - Cricket and Rugby being good examples. The main issue is the way keepers always commit themselves. If they stand up then the attacking player will look stupid when he dives.

I'm not talking about tv ref's - I'm talking about retrospective panels who can take as much time as they need to review the footage and decide whether an offensive warrants a ban or not

Similar to the dubious goals panel rather than the video refs who have to make decisions in real time during the match to relay to the on field ref like in cricket and rugby

Actonspur_FromCOYS · Jan 18, 2014

Bonzer!

mark87 · Jan 18, 2014

So glad Liverpool didn't win, they didn't deserve to.

beats1 · Jan 18, 2014

PG Spurs said:
Unfortunately TV refs in other sports make stupid decisions - Cricket and Rugby being good examples. The main issue is the way keepers always commit themselves. If they stand up then the attacking player will look stupid when he dives.

If something isn't 100% there isn't huge uproar from other fans but something clear cut would be given

We could always use hot spot to check for major contact

EnfieldYiddo · Jan 18, 2014

So if we win tomorrow we are level on points with Liverpool, does that make us title challengers too... I'm confused

Spurger King · Jan 18, 2014

Cheated their way to a point there.

PG Spurs · Jan 18, 2014

Shea said:
I'm not talking about tv ref's - I'm talking about retrospective panels who can take as much time as they need to review the footage and decide whether an offensive warrants a ban or not

Similar to the dubious goals panel rather than the video refs who have to make decisions in real time during the match to relay to the on field ref like in cricket and rugby

But they still get it wrong. Just look at the Torres face scratch on Vertonghen. Retrospective panels consistently fail to make correct decisions.

tiger666 · Jan 18, 2014

EnfieldYiddo said:
So if we win tomorrow we are level on points with Liverpool, does that make us title challengers too... I'm confused

Yeah why not. Our goal difference will see us right.

idontgetit · Jan 18, 2014

Dodgy penalty to get a point. Big up the Villa

theShiznit · Jan 18, 2014

Needs to be retrospective action for such blatant cheating.

PG Spurs said:
But they still get it wrong. Just look at the Torres face scratch on Vertonghen. Retrospective panels consistently fail to make correct decisions.

I thought they were told they couldn't act as the linesman had seen the incident (albeit wrongly)

PG Spurs · Jan 18, 2014

beats1 said:
If something isn't 100% there isn't huge uproar from other fans but something clear cut would be given

We could always use hot spot to check for major contact

And snicko. But the idiot using the technology would still give a penalty.

Shea · Jan 18, 2014

PG Spurs said:
But they still get it wrong. Just look at the Torres face scratch on Vertonghen. Retrospective panels consistently fail to make correct decisions.

Does something have to be 100% fool proof to be worth while?

It's main use would be as a deterrent for match days anyway because the potential offender would be aware of the possibility of getting a lengthy ban if they try to gain an advantage by cheating.

There would obviously be incidents that are slightly inconclusive and or decisions made by the panel that people disagree with but surely having it there would at least affect the amount of dives seen in the game due to the potential ramifications.

Its one thing now to only have to fool a ref in real time and risk only a yellow card (reward greatly outweighs the risk) and quite another to have to fool a ref in real time as well as a panel who retrospectively study footage of these incidents and how the power to had out 3-5 game bans for example

PG Spurs · Jan 18, 2014

theShiznit said:
Needs to be retrospective action for such blatant cheating.

I thought they were told they couldn't act as the linesman had seen the incident (albeit wrongly)

They saw part of the incident, but not the actual incident. Review panels are a bit questionable.

mark87 · Jan 18, 2014

EnfieldYiddo said:
So if we win tomorrow we are level on points with Liverpool, does that make us title challengers too... I'm confused

Don't be silly, our club name is Tottenham and we're apparently in turmoil.

theShiznit · Jan 18, 2014

PG Spurs said:
They saw part of the incident, but not the actual incident. Review panels are a bit questionable.

All boils down to the same thing though... They were told they couldn't apply retrospective action to Torres because it had been seen (in part or wholly)

PG Spurs · Jan 18, 2014

Shea said:
Does something have to be 100% fool proof to be worth while?

It's main use would be as a deterrent for match days anyway because the potential offender would be aware of the possibility of getting a lengthy ban if they try to gain an advantage by cheating.

There would obviously be incidents that are slightly inclusive and or decisions made by the panel that people disagree with but surely having it there would at least affect the amount of dives seen in the game due to the potential ramifications.

Its one thing now to only have to fool a ref in real time and risk only a yellow card (reward greatly outweighs the risk) and quite another to have to fool a ref in real time as well as a panel who retrospectively study footage of these incidents and how the power to had out 3-5 game bans for example

I get it, but a lot of dives are subjective, based on your bias. I'm sure you and I could sit on a panel and consistently make good decisions, but I don't have any confidence in the people they actually put on the panels. Or even in other sets of fans, who still insist Bale dived when he was clearly fouled.

At the end of the day, any defender or keeper that commits themselves in the box is asking the ref to make a decision, and they will often get it wrong. We would have screamed for a penalty in the same instance, dive or not. Retrospectively on a forum we would have admitted our luck, but wouldn't begrudge the point.

PG Spurs · Jan 18, 2014

theShiznit said:
All boils down to the same thing though... They were told they couldn't apply retrospective action to Torres because it had been seen (in part or wholly)

But they didn't really see it. Football rules are always stupid, and I'm sure those same rules would be applied to reviews of dives. The ref saw the player running in the general direction of the incident, therefore the panel is powerless.

kaz Hirai · Jan 18, 2014

every time that weird decrepit looking creature rodgers claims his team can win the title they always drop points

haxman · Jan 18, 2014

tiger666 said:
Yeah why not. Our goal difference will see us right.

Yeah, I can easily see us win 25-0 tomorrow. Just have to make sure to score early

Shea · Jan 18, 2014

PG Spurs said:
I get it, but a lot of dives are subjective, based on your bias. I'm sure you and I could sit on a panel and consistently make good decisions, but I don't have any confidence in the people they actually put on the panels. Or even in other sets of fans, who still insist Bale dived when he was clearly fouled.

At the end of the day, any defender or keeper that commits themselves in the box is asking the ref to make a decision, and they will often get it wrong. We would have screamed for a penalty in the same instance, dive or not. Retrospectively on a forum we would have admitted our luck, but wouldn't begrudge the point.

Again - things don't need to be 100% effective to be effective and serve their purpose

Obviously it would be the job of the FA to employ a non bias panel and at the very least it would ensure punishment for the most obvious of dives

More to the point its main objective would be to reduce the number of dives seen in a game (more important than simply punishing offenders) and the threat of a 5 game ban would surely impact upon that

Increased punishment and increased probability of receiving punishment would see a reduction in offenses I have no doubt and that would be to the benefit of the game and justify the introduction of such a panel.

I don't think it would be difficult for a panel of experts to be able to make correct calls >80% of the time when they have time to review footage over and over again like the dubious goals panel can when they want to determine who got the final touch and or if the shot was already going on target before a deflection.

I also don't see your point really - are you suggesting that because a panel might not get every decision correct it would not be worthwhile? because I fundamentally disagree with that for reasons I have just outlined.

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