Weekend Football 18/19 Jan 2014

[Lifeson]

Just noticed Grant Holt is on!

 

[balalasaurus]

I'm just wondering if a day will come when we won't have to depend on other teams' results for our own success. Oh to be a Spurs fan

 

[idontgetit]

I think it would just be a lot more simple to have a set ban for intentional diving (or anything that can be considered an attempt to gain advantage by simulation i.e. rivaldo incident) and panels review any contentious incidents from the week and make the decision as to whether the player dived to cheat and win a penalty and if so ban them

Yeah I feel pretty much the same way about it but the problem is that it would punish players getting out the way nasty tackles or diving without the intention of cheating the ref. For example I remember Bale getting booked for a big dive where he went in for a 50/50 with a goal keeper coming out. Bale got there first, the keeper pulled out and Bale dived. The thing is though that if the keeper hadn't pulled out Bales leg would have been snapped in half. If they appeal it's obvious they are trying to get something from the ref

 

[Shea]

I'm just wondering if a day will come when we won't have to depend on other teams' results for our own success. Oh to be a Spurs fan

Even teams like Real Madrid are depending on Barca and Atheltic to slip up

Chelsea and Man City need Arsenal too - Arsenal are looking over their shoulders hoping those two slip up also

To be honest football would be boring if other results didn't affect your own teams success somewhat

 

[mark87]

I actually that's a foul by Suarez, the Villa player was going for the ball and Suarez wasn't, he cut right in front of him.

 

[beats1]

nerve racking 15-18 mins you would imagine

 

[nightgoat]

Dive or not?!

I thought I'd tuned into Tom Daley's Splash! for a moment.

 

[beats1]

I don't like it when Villa defend, mainly because they cant!

 

[tiger666]

I thought I'd tuned into Tom Daley's Splash! for a moment.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

I'm just wondering if a day will come when we won't have to depend on other teams' results for our own success. Oh to be a Spurs fan

Every team in the world depends on other teams' results though. When City beat United on GD, they relied on the fact that United hadn't got a point more. The day when we aren't keeping an eye on other teams' results is the day we are languishing in mid-table and football gets boring.

 

[Shea]

Yeah I feel pretty much the same way about it but the problem is that it would punish players getting out the way nasty tackles or diving without the intention of cheating the ref. For example I remember Bale getting booked for a big dive where he went in for a 50/50 with a goal keeper coming out. Bale got there first, the keeper pulled out and Bale dived. The thing is though that if the keeper hadn't pulled out Bales leg would have been snapped in half. If they appeal they are trying to get something from the ref

The panel would surely be able to distinguish between a player diving to gain an advantage i.e. win a penalty when one is not deserved and therefore issue the ban and a player who is going to ground to avoid an tackle that could result in injury and therefore not warrant the ban.

If the panel couldn't do that retrospectively then words fail me

The hopeful result would be that the panel and say resultant 5 match ban would act as a deterrent where by the player thinks twice about the value of winning a penalty by diving as they'd no longer have to just fool the ref they'd have to make the penalty look justified to a panel of experts after the event (and if banned it would nullify the benefit of winning even a match winning penalty under most circumstances - or at the very less it would to me be fitting punishment for the crime)

Same for the holding/pushing in the box from corners and free kicks - anywhere else on the pitch and the ref would blow up for a freekick without blinking. If it was made clear that any such offense will result in an instant penalty no questions asked it would soon stop because it would no longer be beneficial for the defender to perform this act to blunt the attacking player and this would also be a major deterrent I feel

 

[balalasaurus]

Even teams like Real Madrid are depending on Barca and Atheltic to slip up

Chelsea and Man City need Arsenal too - Arsenal are looking over their shoulders hoping those two slip up also

To be honest football would be boring if other results didn't affect your own teams success somewhat

for the most part I agree. But would you honestly call our situation a "somewhat" position? Just saying...

 

[nightgoat]

He made the most of it but it wasn't a dive Guzan hit him. Robbie Savage thinks its a pen. The 5 Live commentator said it was right decision too and apparently TV commentators agree too.

If it was a dive I have no problem saying say so. No sweat off my sack.

Except you clearly do.

 

[Shea]

for the most part I agree. But would you honestly call our situation a "somewhat" position? Just saying...

It's all relative to your position and your targets I as I club I suppose

 

[Spurger King]

Except you clearly do.

Don't feed the troll.

 

[lillywhites61]

He is good at me that's the problem, he is back to his old ways!! Fucking hate the twat

 

[PG Spurs]

The panel would surely be able to distinguish between a player diving to gain an advantage i.e. win a penalty when one is not deserved and therefore issue the ban and a player who is going to ground to avoid an tackle that could result in injury and therefore not warrant the ban.

If the panel couldn't do that retrospectively then words fail me

The hopeful result would be that the panel and say resultant 5 match ban would act as a deterrent where by the player thinks twice about the value of winning a penalty by diving as they'd no longer have to just fool the ref they'd have to make the penalty look justified to a panel of experts after the event (and if banned it would nullify the benefit of winning even a match winning penalty under most circumstances - or at the very less it would to me be fitting punishment for the crime)

Same for the holding/pushing in the box from corners and free kicks - anywhere else on the pitch and the ref would blow up for a freekick without blinking. If it was made clear that any such offense will result in an instant penalty no questions asked it would soon stop because it would no longer be beneficial for the defender to perform this act to blunt the attacking player and this would also be a major deterrent I feel

Unfortunately TV refs in other sports make stupid decisions - Cricket and Rugby being good examples. The main issue is the way keepers always commit themselves. If they stand up then the attacking player will look stupid when he dives.

 

[Actonspur_FromCOYS]

Come on Villa!!!!!!

 

[Shea]

He made the most of it but it wasn't a dive Guzan hit him. Robbie Savage thinks its a pen. The 5 Live commentator said it was right decision too and apparently TV commentators agree too.

If it was a dive I have no problem saying say so. No sweat off my sack.

We don't deserve anything from this game as we've been that bad, and Rodger's got it so wrong, that he alone doesn't deserve to get anything for his incompetence today. Papering over cracks.

A team who is as bad as us as defending doesn't deserve fuck all out of this season. We can't just have an approach of we'll just out-score everyone. Didn't work for Keegan's Newcastle & it won't work for us either. What do we do when we for whatever reason we struggle to score goals? Lose every game by 2 goals?

Not good enough.

It was very clearly a dive by Suarez and to reference Robbie Savage's opinion as evidence to support an argument that it was a justified penalty is self defeating in itself surely?

 

[Shadydan]

Why couldn't we sign Bentekkers?