Player Watch Player Watch: Harry Winks

Finchyid

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Personally i dont agree with the abuse winks gets, i love watching him play, yesterday wasnt great but he was better than the other harry
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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I remember when he was the standout player when we played Real Madrid at the Bernabou. That was 2017 when we had a stacked Midfield. I personally feel we should’ve kept Dembele around so Winks could learn from him more. Winks is a very likeable player and I think he’s been let down by a combo of our recruitment and poor performances, not just by him but our midfield in general. We need to focus on building a more compact ball retention style of play in mid as at the moment we get bullied in the midfield which is never good...
You cant learn athleticism though, at least not to the level that Winks needs to get to for the DM role.
 

TEESSIDE1

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Personally i dont agree with the abuse winks gets, i love watching him play, yesterday wasnt great but he was better than the other harry
Everyone was better than Kane. Winks is a limited player, decent enough for squad rotation but nowhere near good enough to play week in week out.
 

DJS

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Still for me hard to judge as again played him alongside Sissoko (gah those two together...) rather than a proper 4-3-3 with a specialist defensive midfielder in there.
 

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You cant learn athleticism though, at least not to the level that Winks needs to get to for the DM role.
I agree, his physical attributes may not stack up against others but he is very mobile and a tidy player generally. I can see he wants to make us tick in the middle of the park but he needs that dominant mid player that will slow him to play with more freedom
 

gibbospurs

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Unfortunately Winks is just an average prem footballer. We all want him to become world class because he is Spurs, ain’t gonna happen. we need to grow a pair of balls and change things, he’s not good enough for a starting 11. Nor is Davies. Or Aurier. And tbf Sanchez has got a massive fuck up in him twice a game. thats potentially 3/4 out of our defencive area that’s a problem.
 

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Winks doesn’t have enough in his locker for peeps to say he needs the luxury of a DM alongside. To free him to do what?

Recycle possession along the back line? It’s not enough.

Sisskos lack of creativity, and Lamelas extra touch and poor final ball means as a three working the central spaces the other night meant we rarely got out of our own half.

our forwards just don’t get enough service

we love that he’s spurs and a decent fella and a quick turn, burst of pace, but not the lack of ambition and creativity that follows it

offers nothing defensively other than marking space

bench
 

dtxspurs

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Winks doesn’t have enough in his locker for peeps to say he needs the luxury of a DM alongside. To free him to do what?

Recycle possession along the back line? It’s not enough.


Sisskos lack of creativity, and Lamelas extra touch and poor final ball means as a three working the central spaces the other night meant we rarely got out of our own half.

our forwards just don’t get enough service

we love that he’s spurs and a decent fella and a quick turn, burst of pace, but not the lack of ambition and creativity that follows it

offers nothing defensively other than marking space

bench
Preach.

He legit offers nothing. Terrible on defense and brings nothing offensively.

Fine as a squad player, we shouldn't sell but he should be playing cup games, being a sub and in a three for rotation only.
 

Dembele'Disciple

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Preach.

He legit offers nothing. Terrible on defense and brings nothing offensively.

Fine as a squad player, we shouldn't sell but he should be playing cup games, being a sub and in a three for rotation only.
If he's terrible on defense and offers nothing offensively then why is he fine as a squad player?
 

yankspurs

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Cant really fault Winks for being terrible in a position he isnt suited for. He’s bang average and limitied enough as is at the #8. Forcing him to play the #6 is unfair to him. He doesnt have the physicality for the position to get up on the ball carrier so he has to screen The back 4. But he doesnt have the positional awareness to do that either. He just doesnt have the ability to play the position hes shoehorned into. So what you get is a weak midfield and an aleeady leaky back 4 being forced to makeup for the lack of a midfield.
 

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I think Winks is a very good player, could go on to be a great player. He’s just not the DM of any midfield.. He’s made for a midfield 3, where he’s not the deepest.. I have no idea why two very very top managers keep playing him there..
 

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Still for me hard to judge as again played him alongside Sissoko (gah those two together...) rather than a proper 4-3-3 with a specialist defensive midfielder in there.
He actually looked better on Friday in that pairing because sissoko didn’t run around like a headless chicken and stayed in position. Nobody looks good as a one man midfield against three players.
 
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I think Winks is a very good player, could go on to be a great player. He’s just not the DM of any midfield.. He’s made for a midfield 3, where he’s not the deepest.. I have no idea why two very very top managers keep playing him there..
I think he should be a double 8, or mezzala, either side of a 6. He and his game is limited in the double pivot role. And we possibly have better than him in that position (Celso, Lamela, Ndombele etc)
 

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People already forgetting how brilliant him and Lo Celso were as a pairing before lockdown then I see. They were the only positive during that period.
 

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Stick with Winks, he is going to be a club legend. No doubt in my mind.
If you could ask your brother to get more involved in the games and stop playing hide and seek for 90 mins, we would appreciate it.

Send him our love!
 

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He was great for slowing things down for the last few minutes. The thing is, he's not great defensively so unless we are against someone that are incredibly poor he won't get in over Sissoko atm.
 

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Winksy for me will never be appreciated amongst some (most) of our fans..he’s nothing flash...doesn’t score 30yd screamers (or 5)...but he is a player that we need..never afraid to receive the ball, doesn’t give it away cheaply very often...for me he might not be the first name on the sheet but he 100% is in the squad..all day long
 

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For me honestly......he was once a player I had so much excitement for but truth is Poch killed him he seen a player he wanted to see in him a bit of a pet project he wanted to turn him into xavi (a tempo,sideways passing,heartbeat player) which he may have been very good at but then our squad broke and Poch decided it was time to stick him as the defensive midfield answer to our team this is where winks form and career started to take a nose dive basically as soon as Eric Dier's form and injuries came it forced Winks into being a Midfield all rounded (which is he isn't).

Poch kind of took everything that was good about Winks and tried to mould him into something new again which I think has actually stagnated his career along with that ankle injury he had.

We have seen glimpes of Mourinho getting old Winks back slightly where he has been allowed to burst forward with the ball and break defensive lines but other than that I think the last time gave young Harry any freedom was when he scored on his debut vs west ham.

He has sadly became the typical thing english press and fans see when they see a technically sound player who doesn't give the ball away. (a player that belongs in spain or italy).

In fact Barcelona produce 20 x Harry Winks a season.....but technically they all have to add something else to their game other than being able to keep the ball and pass the ball neatly sadly Harry did have this he had drive and a no fear attitude but slowly its been coached out of him I guess. He's actually gone backwards since his breakthrough seasons.

I think if he played in Italy,Spain he would be adored as I would know how to use his stature and coach him properly and the way the game is played out there would suit him to a tee and there is a reason I guess while Pep wants him at city but I just do not think he will ever progress to anything other than 5-6/10 player at spurs unless we find a way to utilize his skillset properly.

A midfield of

-------NEW DM------

Winks --------- Lo Celso for tough away games would be a nice base I guess

Then against teams that will park the bus I guess

Winks
Ndombele Lo Celso

In a 4-3-3 would work and this formation still remains the best formational fit for all our players except for the big elephant in the room Dele Alli which is another one of the reasons I think our tactical plan keeps failing is we basically have a luxury player that effects our shape and formation selection as he's to much of a goal threat to remove from the team.
 
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